Serial Killer Round 70: Soviet Submarine Slaughter!

[Secondhand Revenant]

@Revenant: Okay, I haven't been paying attention to the game that closely, so what exactly is the evidence against EvilRoy?

Let's see... well first he fits the original bit of info about the killer being delayed. If you check his post history he posted August 21st then his next post is August 26th right after Snekadid said the killer finally messaged him. Other people may fit the bill as well such as Armadox. But moving on to additional reasons...

Voting on the first round. We can figure the lawyer and killer voted together and most likely would jump on an existing bandwagon. 5 people got 2 or more votes. First CF and DCJF votes for kingofkumquats. DCJF died so this wouldn't be the lawyer/killer pair. Gritch and Hippo voted for EvilRoy. Same deal here since gritch died. Frappe got targeted by DJ and Dema but he wasn't mentioned prior so I find this less likely. Me, EvilRoy, AltnameJag and one unknown person voted for DCJF. Lastly 2 unknown votes for altname but I think we can assume those are likely from the trickster unless we believe me, evil, or altname is the trickster. Based on the next round where a vote for EvilRoy got stolen(3 people said they voted to him, 2 showed up) it seems unlikely me or altname is the trickster and confirms evilroy isn't. Also explains reluctance for altname voter to step forward. Based on this the lawyer and killer probably joined in to vote for DCJF. Out of those who admitted to doing so I find EvilRoy most likely and as others stated, it is odd the lawyer/killer jumped on the DCJF bandwagon since the EvilRoy one sounded more likely. Unless of course EvilRoy is the killer.

Next up is the next vote. The absurdly split one. All the talk up to it was mostly on EvilRoy. Whoever the lawyer and killer are they didn't jump on that for some reason. Other names mentioned were king and gritch as I recall. CF voted for king and he's unlikely due to the first round vote. We know who voted for gritch, EvilRoy. I don't believe anyone mentioned Armadox prior and only Armadox mentioned me and he talks about everyone.

After this we suddenly get this weird alt account appear. Which seems a bit desperate. Suggesting that the killer is not doing quite so well and has likely been mentioned.

 

[EvilRoy]

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Yes, I've found EvilRoy's behavior highly suspicious from the start. Most people simply say "whatever" when they are targeted the way EvilRoy is. After all, it wasn't like there were any better suspects, so why bother arguing against it? But he's been kicking and screaming the whole way.

Okay, so... I guess I'll call it "stepping out of the game" for this bit to address this on a more meta level, I do kind of hate this kind of talk. This is bullshit quitter talk. This right here is like playing Dnd and always making characters that are 'huge risk takers' because personally the player doesn't give a shit if the character dies, and wants to just play the game however whatever like they're wallhopping in Skyrim.

Being invested in, and trying to enjoy a game should not be considered 'reasons for suspicion'. I got bad news for this round and every other round I play in. If you try to get me killed, I am going to go down kicking and screaming, because that is one of the things that is fun about this game. Playing this game you're either trying to get people killed and/or trying not to get killed - if you don't give a shit about getting killed, then that is half the game gone. That's how I played the last round and it blew. Nobody talked, nothing happened, it was just a few dudes leading the vote as they slowly worked down a list. Guess what, I do that at work all the time - we just call executions 'Issued for Review' and winning 'Record Set'.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

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Yes, I've found EvilRoy's behavior highly suspicious from the start. Most people simply say "whatever" when they are targeted the way EvilRoy is. After all, it wasn't like there were any better suspects, so why bother arguing against it? But he's been kicking and screaming the whole way.

Okay, so... I guess I'll call it "stepping out of the game" for this bit to address this on a more meta level, I do kind of hate this kind of talk. This is bullshit quitter talk. This right here is like playing Dnd and always making characters that are 'huge risk takers' because personally the player doesn't give a shit if the character dies, and wants to just play the game however whatever like they're wallhopping in Skyrim.

Being invested in, and trying to enjoy a game should not be considered 'reasons for suspicion'. I got bad news for this round and every other round I play in. If you try to get me killed, I am going to go down kicking and screaming, because that is one of the things that is fun about this game. Playing this game you're either trying to get people killed and/or trying not to get killed - if you don't give a shit about getting killed, then that is half the game gone. That's how I played the last round and it blew. Nobody talked, nothing happened, it was just a few dudes leading the vote as they slowly worked down a list. Guess what, I do that at work all the time - we just call executions 'Issued for Review' and winning 'Record Set'.

There's still fun to be had in death. It denies you a vote but you can still run around pointing fingers and trying to deduce.

Though if I got accused too and had some kind of defense I'd use it. No reason not to try and save yourself after all.

 

[Aerosteam]

@Revenant: Fine, fine, I'll vote for EvilRoy. I'm not even sure why someone even set up an alt account, considering the Spy was killed they'd hardly feel desperate after that.

 

[Fat Hippo]

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Yes, I've found EvilRoy's behavior highly suspicious from the start. Most people simply say "whatever" when they are targeted the way EvilRoy is. After all, it wasn't like there were any better suspects, so why bother arguing against it? But he's been kicking and screaming the whole way.

Okay, so... I guess I'll call it "stepping out of the game" for this bit to address this on a more meta level, I do kind of hate this kind of talk. This is bullshit quitter talk. This right here is like playing Dnd and always making characters that are 'huge risk takers' because personally the player doesn't give a shit if the character dies, and wants to just play the game however whatever like they're wallhopping in Skyrim.

Being invested in, and trying to enjoy a game should not be considered 'reasons for suspicion'. I got bad news for this round and every other round I play in. If you try to get me killed, I am going to go down kicking and screaming, because that is one of the things that is fun about this game. Playing this game you're either trying to get people killed and/or trying not to get killed - if you don't give a shit about getting killed, then that is half the game gone. That's how I played the last round and it blew. Nobody talked, nothing happened, it was just a few dudes leading the vote as they slowly worked down a list. Guess what, I do that at work all the time - we just call executions 'Issued for Review' and winning 'Record Set'.

I guess you just view this game in a different light, and are playing with a different set of objectives than I am. This isn't role-playing, but pure strategy for me. If I die, but the Killer is caught, that still means my side has won. If I live or die is fairly irrelevant, aside from the fact that it takes away my vote. All that matters is which group of players is eliminated first.

 

[EvilRoy]

@SecondDude
@Fatdude

Alright then, all cleared up there. We all get to play the game our own way, I just want to make mine clear.

Back to the game...

@Aero

Don't vote for me, vote for Second or Arma. Crysan DIDN'T vote for me last round despite claiming that he would ahead of time, because he's a waffler. More than likely the killer figures he voted for them (they being Second or Arma, or maybe even Jux? I think he had one vote), and decided to take the opportunity to axe him before his pumpkin waffle wandered in the wrong direction yet again, putting the killer in a gamble to be deathvoted like they likely were in last cycle.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

@SecondDude
@Fatdude

Alright then, all cleared up there. We all get to play the game our own way, I just want to make mine clear.

Back to the game...

@Aero

Don't vote for me, vote for Second or Arma. Crysan DIDN'T vote for me last round despite claiming that he would ahead of time, because he's a waffler. More than likely the killer figures he voted for them (they being Second or Arma, or maybe even Jux? I think he had one vote), and decided to take the opportunity to axe him before his pumpkin waffle wandered in the wrong direction yet again, putting the killer in a gamble to be deathvoted like they likely were in last cycle.

Is there any actual reason you don't think Crysan didn't vote for you and it wasn't just a trickster steal though?

 

[Fat Hippo]

@SecondDude
@Fatdude

Alright then, all cleared up there. We all get to play the game our own way, I just want to make mine clear.

Back to the game...

@Aero

Don't vote for me, vote for Second or Arma. Crysan DIDN'T vote for me last round despite claiming that he would ahead of time, because he's a waffler. More than likely the killer figures he voted for them (they being Second or Arma, or maybe even Jux? I think he had one vote), and decided to take the opportunity to axe him before his pumpkin waffle wandered in the wrong direction yet again, putting the killer in a gamble to be deathvoted like they likely were in last cycle.

Is there any actual reason you don't think Crysan didn't vote for you and it wasn't just a trickster steal though?

Crysan stated so in the main thread at some point after gritch was executed, dunno on which page exactly though.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

@SecondDude
@Fatdude

Alright then, all cleared up there. We all get to play the game our own way, I just want to make mine clear.

Back to the game...

@Aero

Don't vote for me, vote for Second or Arma. Crysan DIDN'T vote for me last round despite claiming that he would ahead of time, because he's a waffler. More than likely the killer figures he voted for them (they being Second or Arma, or maybe even Jux? I think he had one vote), and decided to take the opportunity to axe him before his pumpkin waffle wandered in the wrong direction yet again, putting the killer in a gamble to be deathvoted like they likely were in last cycle.

Is there any actual reason you don't think Crysan didn't vote for you and it wasn't just a trickster steal though?

Crysan stated so in the main thread at some point after gritch was executed, dunno on which page exactly though.

Oh must have missed that.

 

[Dying_Jester]

Honest to God, I hadn't even realized that Crysan was playing in this round, and that's after looking at the list of people in the OP multiple times.

Anyways, vote for me.
I meant Trump, vote Trump.

EvilRoy, all the way.

 

[snekadid]

Is there any actual reason you don't think Crysan didn't vote for you and it wasn't just a trickster steal though?

Crysan stated so in the main thread at some point after gritch was executed, dunno on which page exactly though.

Oh must have missed that.

OOOOOOOOOO In your face used specter!

As to "winning" and "Losing" the game. Its a Horror flick, if you dont live and your side wins, you still lose because you're the token minority that got killed at the start of the movie

You can get a honorable mention on the memorial but you're still a corpse. The only possible exceptions are Priest and arbiter sacrifices.

 

[snekadid]

Anyways, vote for me.
I meant Trump, vote Trump.

O_O *Uses GM magic to change all votes to Dying to stop the madness*

 

[WhisperintheDeep]

...tell you what, we'll trade you Trump for the sub. Deal?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Making a lot of assumptions right now.

I'm mean yeah, lots of noise was made about Roy, but just because people didn't believe it then doesn't make it more credible now. Then the killer didn't go after Secondhand or Hippo in the third round?

If I'm supposed to believe Roy's the killer because he's offing people going after him, his kills don't add up.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Making a lot of assumptions right now.

I'm mean yeah, lots of noise was made about Roy, but just because people didn't believe it then doesn't make it more credible now. Then the killer didn't go after Secondhand or Hippo in the third round?

If I'm supposed to believe Roy's the killer because he's offing people going after him, his kills don't add up.

My reasons primarily involve the first round votes, specifically assuming the killer and lawyer would vote together first round and the trickster uses their ability every round, leaving Dema and DJ or two of the people who voted for DCJF as the killer/lawyer pair.

Plus Evil fits the first thing we can gather about the killer, he was liable to be late to reply to Snekadid.

 

[WhisperintheDeep]

So, where's the spookiest place I could put the Trickster's body for you to find? I figure we'll just put Headsprouter in the same spot as the first time.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

So, where's the spookiest place I could put the Trickster's body for you to find? I figure we'll just put Headsprouter in the same spot as the first time.

In the stew of course

 

[Twintix]

Making a lot of assumptions right now.

Yyyyyyyup. Basically.

Hell, I don't even have good reasons for who I'm voting for. Like I said, I go with my gut. Sometimes I'm right, and sometimes I'm not. It's a shame that Headsprouter didn't get any info from his question, though it certainly makes things interesting.

 

[Fat Hippo]

I'm still quite confused as to why we're going for EvilRoy. There's some proof / good assumptions about him being the Killer, sure, but are we sure he's actually the Killer? Because (sadly) Head's list didn't narrow things down whatsoever, we're just going to go for Roy..

But what if he isn't the Killer? What then? ... Because I have this nagging feeling he's innocent and we've just painted him American the whole time because of a few people speaking out. Although I suck at math and would need to look over some past posts to see what evidence is solid or 'ify' on people's behalf.

Even if he isn't the killer, and it's not like I'm trying to hand out any guarantees here, isn't it better than just distributing our votes haphazardly? I mean, if we do that, the RNG just decides anyway like with gritch. And it's not like I've been seeing anyone else collecting any evidence for a concrete suspicion on anyone else. I'm surprised everyone is suddenly acting like were a court of law rather than an angry lynching mob.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

I'm still quite confused as to why we're going for EvilRoy. There's some proof / good assumptions about him being the Killer, sure, but are we sure he's actually the Killer? Because (sadly) Head's list didn't narrow things down whatsoever, we're just going to go for Roy..

But what if he isn't the Killer? What then? ... Because I have this nagging feeling he's innocent and we've just painted him American the whole time because of a few people speaking out. Although I suck at math and would need to look over some past posts to see what evidence is solid or 'ify' on people's behalf.

Well first round votes work pretty well to narrow things down.

Votes were

1 Armadox: Unknown
1 Hippo: Unknown
1 Cry: Aero
1 Aero: Cry
1 DJ: Unknown
2 altname: Unknown
2 EvilRoy: Gritch, Hippo
2 CF: DJ, Dema
4 DCJF: Me, EvilRoy, altname, Unknown

I think it is safe to assume lawyer and killer teamed up first round. This rules out you and Hippo since your theoretical partners were innocent.


It should also be safe to assume the trickster used his ability.

If the trickster used his ability then he voted for altnameJag unless EvilRoy, me, or jag himself is the trickster. Unless you disagree with this being unlikely I think we can safely say the trickster probably voted for jag.

This means the lawyer and killer voted for DCJF or you. Neither DJ nor Dema seem to frequent the areas where the banjumper and just how much of a fight he caused would be common knowledge that I can see. A few posts from Dema in off topic but doesn't look frequent. So likely one of the four who voted for DCJF.

Me and altname were active the days when the game started and EvilRoy wasn't for the week up until right after Snekadid said he got a reply.

So there are three major assumptions there, but two seem very solid and the other is just a bit more shaky, no? One more minor one that DJ and Dema are unlikely but I believe I heard a few cries for DJ's head if Evil didn't do it so we could test that too


Also the alternative is voting for someone else who is even more likely to be innocent than EvilRoy, isn't it? You ask what if he's innocent, but what if some other innocent dies in his place? At least if we go for him we can know we went for someone eith good reasons instead of letting someone like gritch die again, where there was little to no reason to think he was guilty.