Seriously people, stop the bitching (Dragon age 2...and other games)

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Danceofmasks

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WaywardHaymaker said:
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The very fact that there's "no friendly fire" is a VERY BAD thing.
(I hope there's an option to enable friendly fire)
Ok, I got to ask something because I've been seeing this a lot lately. I only played Origins on PS3 and friendly fire was only on for hard and nightmare difficulties. So was there an option in the PC version to turn on friendly fire in any difficulty for the PC? If not, it's worth remembering demos are usually of the normal or easy difficulty if you cannot change it. Which you couldn't in the PS3 demo. I don't think. Maybe I should check that lol.
I wouldn't know, actually ... I only ever played on nightmare.
Yeah, the demo was on normal. Friendly fire is still there, it's just that you have to play on the higher difficulties to see it.
My point, however, is that unless the AI in DA:O is significantly improved on, friendly fire would be horrible without isometric view.
Which is what I wrote in my first post in this thread ... I don't really mind if they removed isometric view, which was the BETTER UI in DA:O, if they improve on the tactics options so I can manage stuff such as friendly fire.
You have a point. I could never play Origins on my 360 on anything above normal because my mage would kill everyone. I really don't get why they don't offer the isometric view on consoles; are we ALL eight year olds who can't handle... stuff that works?
They didn't put isometric view on the 360 because it uses the mouse like an RTS .. box selecting, targeting, etc. ... now, as for why you can't use a mouse on a 360, that makes no sense to me ... but that's another subject entirely.
 

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Well personally, I have never heard anyone claiming it will be unsuccessful. And personally, I do not like the direction it has been taken. Some things will not change from the demo. Hawke will still be Hawke, the way Hawke acts will still be the same, they arent going to suddenly change its genre and make it and fps or rts or something silly.

It is entirely founded to make judgements based on a demo. Some, to be fair, arent exactly logical or quite right, but some make perfect sense and I am sure you understand everyone has an opinion.

I havn't had the opportunity to play it myself, to be fair, but a very trusted source of mine who understands me well said I wouldnt like it. He doesnt like it either.

A few choice points he raised, (some he exagerated, of course)

-Hawke is a human. I am happy, but I know you love elves
-3 seconds in and 3 people are dead. Oh goodie.
-Past shrouded in mystery, here meaing no backstory.
-Combat handles more like.....WoW, and less like...whats another similar game....NVWN2.
-Why is Shepard using a sword now, what on earth happened? I am tired of this, I'm going back to MNC.
1. You're talking like people didn't died left and right in the Origins
2. Hawke have a backstory, if you read any of the news about DA2, you would know
3. Compare Hawke with Shepard is nonsensical, almost flame bait-y
got to agree with this guy on point 1, a shitload of people die in the start of origins I mean the king, duncan, those two guys you went into the wilds with and depending on your backstory, your whole family could get murdered, and that's not even mentioning the entire army that falls to the dark spawn, so really from what i saw DA 2 is lagging behind a bit in the killing people off department.
 

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I'll *****, moan and whine if I want to. I won't judge the game soley on it's demo (DA2, that is) but it hardly helped allay my worries about the game. I liked the combat, everything else was meh.
 

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Just.. gah.

Are we not allowed to state our opinions anymore?

Stop bitching about our complaining allready, sure, some of us do complain about stupid things but I find that a lot of legitimate stuff is dismissed as "Haters gonna hate"

I for one, bloody hate the dialogue wheel for 2 main reasons.

You're mostly just have 3 very blatant choices, those being; Good, bad/morally questionable and silly/neutral. I like more diversity in my choices and I'd rather judge how nice or evil my choice is myself, thank you. It also feels like I'm just choosing between playing 3 different versions of Hawk. (Or, in Mass Effect's case, 3 different versions of Shephard)

It gives me limited information. If I pick "Ok, we'll go that way.", that's all I want my character to say until I pick another option, I don't want him to go off saying 3 other lines that I didn't want him to say.

I don't know what to say about Dragon Age 2 as it's own game, but as a sequal, it's not looking great to me. The gameplay was ok but I miss the birds eye view and the new darkspawn (or whatever they are) look terrible. Male Hawk's face looks really bad, but fortunately that's changable. The graphics were all around allright except for some horrific ground textures in the beginning. But all these things are secondary to me in a good RPG, what I want is atmosphere, immersion and character. The dialogue wheel has quite frankly ruined much of the immersion for me.
 

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I don't think it's everyone who's bashing it, it's just the vocal minority. When people are pleased with things they're far less likely to comment on it than if they're displeased, so it's usually only the opinions of unhappy people you hear.
 

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Wait, what? Who's actually bitching about this. Maybe 'cause I tend to stay away from forums (mostly) which is why I haven't noticed this, but the Dragon Age II demo seems to have been pretty well received. Dragon Age: Origins was OK at best. For a start, it wasn't nearly as good as Mass Effect. The main character wasn't voice acted (love it or hate it) the graphics were rough and the combat was slow and clunky. What DA:O DID have was a brilliant story...that only got going after about 20+ hours. Going from the DA2 demo, the graphics have been improved tenfold, the combat is now fantastic and, of course, Hawke is fully voice acted. It really feels that they've finally brought Dragon Age up to the same standard as Mass Effect and, quite frankly, I couldn't ask for more.


Oh, and how exactly have BioWare abandoned PC gamers? I played the demo on Steam and have already preordered it. That alone makes it a silly statement.

Tl;dr - it sounds like you're just bitching about bitching.
 

The Wykydtron

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Ah yes these so called "elitists" and their "negative opinions" we have dismissed these claims...
 

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I like the changes they made so far to dragon age, I can see why people are pissed. It's more mass effecty, but I greatly preferred ME to DA so I'm not that surprised.
 

fakeangel

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ThePirateMan said:
Just.. gah.

Are we not allowed to state our opinions anymore?

Stop bitching about our complaining allready, sure, some of us do complain about stupid things but I find that a lot of legitimate stuff is dismissed as "Haters gonna hate"

I for one, bloody hate the dialogue wheel for 2 main reasons.

You're mostly just have 3 very blatant choices, those being; Good, bad/morally questionable and silly/neutral. I like more diversity in my choices and I'd rather judge how nice or evil my choice is myself, thank you. It also feels like I'm just choosing between playing 3 different versions of Hawk. (Or, in Mass Effect's case, 3 different versions of Shephard)

It gives me limited information. If I pick "Ok, we'll go that way.", that's all I want my character to say until I pick another option, I don't want him to go off saying 3 other lines that I didn't want him to say.

I don't know what to say about Dragon Age 2 as it's own game, but as a sequal, it's not looking great to me. The gameplay was ok but I miss the birds eye view and the new darkspawn (or whatever they are) look terrible. Male Hawk's face looks really bad, but fortunately that's changable. The graphics were all around allright except for some horrific ground textures in the beginning. But all these things are secondary to me in a good RPG, what I want is atmosphere, immersion and character. The dialogue wheel has quite frankly ruined much of the immersion for me.
Except that the wheel only looks like the Mass Effect one, since it is not the DA equivalent of Paragon, neutral and Renegade, instead we have this:
* Olive branch: Peaceful, diplomatic..
* Angel figure: Kind and considerate.

* Purple theater mask: Sarcastic, funny.
* Purple diamond: Charming. [1]

* Fist: Aggressive.
* Gavel: Decisive.

* Spinning arrows: Hawke decides.
* Head: Companion decides.

* Red heart: Flirty.

* Tick: Agreement.
* Cross: Refusal.
* Coins: Demand for money.

* Question Mark: Questioning.
 

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I'm a bit divided on the matter. On one point I agree that we should wait for the final product before we start bashing it, but on the other hand I'm well within my right to point out things I didn't like, even if they are in a demo. Of course it's pointless to say combat is awful or graphics suck (not that they do, this is just an example) cause there's nothing they can do about it at this stage, but minor issues can be easily fixed via upcoming patches and our complaints can help devs find and eliminate those bugs as well as keep track on ways they can improve their game.
 

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Danceofmasks said:
WaywardHaymaker said:
Danceofmasks said:
Dash85 said:
Danceofmasks said:
The very fact that there's "no friendly fire" is a VERY BAD thing.
(I hope there's an option to enable friendly fire)
Ok, I got to ask something because I've been seeing this a lot lately. I only played Origins on PS3 and friendly fire was only on for hard and nightmare difficulties. So was there an option in the PC version to turn on friendly fire in any difficulty for the PC? If not, it's worth remembering demos are usually of the normal or easy difficulty if you cannot change it. Which you couldn't in the PS3 demo. I don't think. Maybe I should check that lol.
I wouldn't know, actually ... I only ever played on nightmare.
Yeah, the demo was on normal. Friendly fire is still there, it's just that you have to play on the higher difficulties to see it.
My point, however, is that unless the AI in DA:O is significantly improved on, friendly fire would be horrible without isometric view.
Which is what I wrote in my first post in this thread ... I don't really mind if they removed isometric view, which was the BETTER UI in DA:O, if they improve on the tactics options so I can manage stuff such as friendly fire.

EDIT:
Inb4 anyone says forced pausing is an acceptable solution.
Forced pausing in any real-time game is not in any way a good thing.
This is way before DA, pal. This kind of stuff was in NWN, and considering they said that DA is the spiritual successor of Baldur's Gate, I think you are standing in thin ice with your arguments
 

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fakeangel said:
This is way before DA, pal. This kind of stuff was in NWN, and considering they said that DA is the spiritual successor of Baldur's Gate, I think you are standing in thin ice with your arguments
Wait what ... there wasn't really a friendly fire problem in NWN 'cos you only controlled you, and the companions were manageable.
NWN2 had horrible friendly fire issues that was easily solved by simply using equally effective spells that don't have friendly fire.

Now, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, BG2 had some of the best character AI scripting. Ever.
'cos you could write your own scripts, as complicated as you please.
NO FRIENDLY FIRE PROBLEM WITH FIREBALLS.
 

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Super Toast said:
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/video-game-article/dragon-age-reaction.php

I think this sums it up pretty well. It's just elitists being idiots. Pretty usual stuff, really.
Wow, that is a bad website! The title "Something Awful" must only refer to itself. They claim to know what the ENTIRE INTERNET is thinking? The ENTIRE INTERNET can't agree on anything! Ever. Its like a million headed hydra with each head savagely mauling its neighbors. You'd get fanboys versus haters arguing about the merits of jumping naked into a wood chipper! Yes, I have heard some of those opinions "Something Awful" presents. I have also read posts from fans pledging their undying loyalty to DA2 based on just watching a minute of cutscenes on youtube. Neither group sounds particularly logical. But neither group IS THE INTERNET!
 

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I noticed three things about the demo.

1. The gameplay is better and more fun to play.
2. Archers are actually fun to play now.
3. Every woman in the middle ages has 44D's.
 

Buizel91

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One thing people have to understand is no matter what, if a sequel/prequel to a game is released, many are going to argue against it, it's the way of the gaming world.

I mean look how many people absolutely love Pokemon Red/Blue and hate the other versions, same for COD, Halo, even Just Cause.

If you like the game, then you shouldn't get annoyed by what other people say, just ignore them and move on (says the person who argues why bla bla is better than bla bla 2 but you get my drift :L )