Seriously people, stop the bitching (Dragon age 2...and other games)

[Liquid Ocelot]

The demo presented excellent gameplay, however the alpha-grade graphics sort've bothered me. I absolutely love the new fast-paced combat, and the conversation system. It's nice to have a voice for a character. I just hope the customization holds up well.. And I also hope that our DA:O saves have some influence.

Yeah, I'm also a PC gamer.

 

[Seydaman]

What
I loved the demo
I pre-ordered it right after I finished the demo

 

[Seydaman]

I noticed three things about the demo.

1. The gameplay is better and more fun to play.
2. Archers are actually fun to play now.
3. Every woman in the middle ages has 44D's.

Is the last one a problem?
I really like how they did it with the dwarf telling the story
It gave them more liberties with how things looked, if they had to make it the same people would cry that it's old hat.

 

[DaHero]

Dragon age 2 seems to have gotten alot of people screaming THEY CHANGED IT RUINED FOREVER!!!

and of coarse declaring that Bioware has abondoned PC and they arnt getting it....

Believe me, major triple A companies are going to drop the PC very slowly over the next few years. So far EA has said they're dropping all Battlefield support except for BF3, now I ask you...why? EA is such a gigantic company that the excuse of "focusing on it" is about at believable as a chicken wire submarine. As for Bioware, they know The Old Republic is going to be tagged a WoW-SciFi clone as much as they try. Sure there's tons of differences under the hood but when it boils down to combat it's still the same classic click meets auto-attack feature that for some ridiculous reason people have glued to WoW like it invented the idea. Bioware also knows that PC gamers can do a lot more (mods, more keys, put the torches down consolists) than a console can so naturally PC gamers expect more tools to play with. It really boils down to piracy and mods. Piracy because it's something to hide behind, and mods because it means PC gamers don't have to pay for official DLC. The only way (from a business perspective) to make a good selling title on the PC is to make it an MMO with premium markets of some sort, or to make a game that exceeds expectations, which is something companies lack the ability to do. Since EA's game Battlefield Heroes and Play For Free have both flopped (P4F died a horrible death in closed beta) they want BF3 to be the last PC thing they do. Bioware is also taking the hints and trying to edge away from the PC. Valve probably won't yet because they can't patch a marketplace into the console games hence can't nickel and dime players for premium gear.

Now while that might sound like 50 different kinda of fanboy let me just say this to avoid the flaming: I have no real bias in the console wars. I feel the Wii is a more family friendly system, the 360 and PS3 both have even pros and cons, and the PC has lasted this long on its ability to modify games and allow small companies to publish titles on their own budget. Nexon, Ijji, Gamersfisrt, Perfect World Entertainment, GamesCampus, none of them could exist without the PC being the way it is, and that's okay. The PC will just have to start relying on smaller companies instead of the triple A industry, which isn't bad. Just take a look at PWI, Combat Arms, AVA, Rappelz, these games thrive on the PC solely because the publishers don't have to pay through the nose to the console companies. While the small companies might have majority crappy games, they're slowly coming around and who knows? 10 years from now we may be looking at one of these smaller companies making the big leagues.

In short, yeah the PC is being abandoned slowly by the biggest companies out there but it's far from a bad thing. PC gamers will instead turn to smaller companies to produce games that they can enjoy more because they were designed specifically for the PC. PC Gaming isn't dying, it's just going to have its own set of games that a console will never be able to touch and vice versa.

 

[Les Awesome]

I actually thought the demo was pretty and was a huge improvement over the original
I mean it was more action oriented and the dialogue wheel is way better then the previous one

overall i think this'll be a great game

 

[qazmatoz]

I'm sure it has already been said but a fan of the original game has every right to be concerned over changes to the game, whether drastic or subtle.

I for one am disappointed with the dialogue system because it ruins the immersion for me; clicking a vague dialogue option and hearing my avatar spout something which doesn't meld with my idea of the character. The original game had countless dialogue options unfettered by voice acting. I can see the mainstream appeal of having a voice actor but it's not for me.

Think before you complain, and be sure to at least use proper spelling and grammar. You may be a child but we are not.

 

[wammnebu]

you ought to be a bit more thankful for the "elitists", they are all that stands between quality games and an inexorable slide into mediocre, generic banality.

Of course if you like mediocre generic banality then I guess you have reason to be aggrieved.

taurgovno! elitists created the mediocrity they now decry.

remember back in the early 21st the "critics" thought the solution to show games-as-art was to have realistic elements, and deep dark realistic characters. Games industry obliged and after 7-10 years of bildungsroman war-drammas and christian bale impersonators, you want to pretend this never happened and go back to the 90's.

You wanted more rpg/action blends like Deus Ex, and now ye fear that both will be lost, too bad

 

[More Fun To Compute]

The demo is there so people can try the game to see if it is worth buying for them. If it isn't then it is even more helpful for Bioware for them to talk about their complaints publicly so they can consider them in the future. It's practically a free service to the company which they can choose to address or not.

Why do we need all this drama and pointless gnashing of teeth from fans anyway? One good complaint is more useful to the cause of making games better than a thousand people saying, "I sort of like it, I'm going to buy the game," which is information we can all get better from sales figures.

If Bioware want to ignore "elitists" and make a bold move downmarket where there are more buyers then that is up to them. If they want to try and keep their existing customers while getting new ones then they should listen and it doesn't help Bioware to try to shut up complainers.

 

[Davichu]

your're bitching about bitchers, making you bitching bitchers.

if you don't like it, don't read it. we all have an opinion, just some have the need to express it, so that they feel as if it will actually have an impact on the rest of he world.

shush it you youths.

on note: i think that DA2 is perfectly fine, and we can't judge it yet as we haven't got the whole game, as most of its locked on the demo.

 

[Senaro]

I noticed three things about the demo.

1. The gameplay is better and more fun to play.
2. Archers are actually fun to play now.
3. Every woman in the middle ages has 44D's.

Is the last one a problem?
I really like how they did it with the dwarf telling the story
It gave them more liberties with how things looked, if they had to make it the same people would cry that it's old hat.

I never said any of those were bad things. The final one is more amusing than anything else. Also, I didn't think that the fat guy looked like a dwarf. Just seemed like a fat human to me. Could be wrong, never saw how short he was. So far I really like everything I've seen about DA2.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

I was at first upset about DA 2 new look, and gameplay. But then I played the demo and loved it. I was always getting the game, but now I know what Im getting into.

 

[Davichu]

when playing the demo, he is part of your squad on the later part of the game, he be god damn midget, in the video sequences he just had a booster seat or something.

EDIT: this was a reply to someone saying te dwarf looked like a human.

 

[fakeangel]

I'm trying to get away from the more mainstream/casual stuff.

1. There are several reasons why mainstream is mainstream. Maybe it's because it's (usually) good.

2. Casual game it's the last thing I would classify DA2, because it has an overaching plot, complex mechanics, and most of all, an end.

P.S.eople today say a game is casual when they don't have anything else to attack it.

 

[KEM10]

I'm with you, sir!

The best thing is that the only thing that has actually changed about DA2's gameplay is they've added the conversation wheel and a character voice, yet everyone's still bitching off aobut it.

You know what the conversation wheel does that's different to the old conversation-response layout? It puts it in a circle, order the choices from good to bad and shortens them slightly to keep the conversation pace up.

It really is exactly the same - if you counted all the responses you get on a wheel compared to the old system, there'd be hardly any distinguishable difference either way.

No, you are so wrong. It also added a picture so you know what tone you are saying it in. I don't know how many times I thought I was joking with someone in DA:O and just flat out insulted them because the developers placed a dick response next to a complete dick response with no sarcastic A-hole response.

 

[Snotnarok]

I haven't seen a single video/trailer/bit of news on DA 2 till I played the demo, and it was better in every way than DA1. The only time I'll complain is in the case of Other: M and I was right in every damn way that game was horrible before it was out.

 

[Jacob Haggarty]

Nope, getting impressions from the demo is perfectly fine gameplay-wise.

This.

I was hoping that with the change from the first installments combat method, i might be interested in this now. Not so. This game could have the best story in the world for all i care, it couldn't convince me to play it. The combat is just atrocious.

 

[Macrobstar]

No not QED!
QED is for when the demonstration proves the argument, you've haven't demonstrated or proved anything.
There is a very big difference between being heard and being listened to.

The demonstration is self evident, there is a outcry on the internet about games becoming more generic and action based. This very thread is because of that, thus we are being heard. True, the developers and publishers may not take much notice, but at least they know we exist, they know that not everyone is happy with what they're doing, and perhaps, just perhaps they will (maybe unconsciously) moderate the dumbing down changes they make.
At any rate, at least we care enough to make a fuss which is more than can be said for any other gamer demographic.

ah sweet! so what did you change in games lately? please tell all

 

[Macrobstar]

I haven't seen a single video/trailer/bit of news on DA 2 till I played the demo, and it was better in every way than DA1. The only time I'll complain is in the case of Other: M and I was right in every damn way that game was horrible before it was out.

Yes. finally a man who see's sense, all they have done with DA2 is improve