SEX!!!

[ExodusinFlames]

cleverlymadeup has made some fantastic points.

 

[Bat Vader]

I have been a virgin for the first 21 years of my life, I might as well stay a virgin.

 

[Avatar Roku]

I just don't understand what the argument is about in the first place. These are my opinions.

The issue is you're arguing like your opinions are valid for *everyone*

I admit, I have abused the word "fact" in my arguments multiple times now. I type as I speak. And no, I cannot truely form an opinion on the act of sex, but I can form an opinion on the social effects of sex.

People are so defensive about sex. People formulate opinions about murder all the time without having actually committed it. Killing is also a part of what got us here, isn't it? It is anthropologically fascinating to see people so vigorously defending something so... Well, I don't have permission to describe it, apparently, but still. From an anthropological aspect, at least.
I mean, where did the idea of sex in proximity to an intimate relationship come in the first place?

For the final line, my guess is when people realized/we evolved the feature of getting incredibly attached to someone you have sex with.

 

[ExodusinFlames]

Virginity can have its drawbacks. Lack of perspective comes to mind first.
How can you denegrate something that you've never been a part of? You can't. Second hand knowledge is exactly that ... second hand. Its utterly useless in making any sort of a point in this type of discussion.

And again, consensual sex has ZERO immorality attached to it. It can cause physical pain if certain things aren't done correctly, but if its between people who are agreeing to do it, then there is no true harm.

There can be an attachment aswell to people you have become intimate with, and thats par for the course, but in my experience, I've never heard of couples, or groups of sexually active people drifting apart because of sex. Lack of it, maybe, but never because of it.

 

[Erana]

I just don't understand what the argument is about in the first place. These are my opinions.

The issue is you're arguing like your opinions are valid for *everyone*

I admit, I have abused the word "fact" in my arguments multiple times now. I type as I speak. And no, I cannot truely form an opinion on the act of sex, but I can form an opinion on the social effects of sex.

People are so defensive about sex. People formulate opinions about murder all the time without having actually committed it. Killing is also a part of what got us here, isn't it? It is anthropologically fascinating to see people so vigorously defending something so... Well, I don't have permission to describe it, apparently, but still. From an anthropological aspect, at least.
I mean, where did the idea of sex in proximity to an intimate relationship come in the first place?

The thing is, murder is actually an IMMORAL act, as in, it hurts people. Sex isn't because it doesn't.

Unless it's rape, but that's not what we're talking about here.

Also, people aren't that defensive about sex, they just dislike being told their opinions are WRONG WRONG WRONG by someone who hasn't actually experienced it (sorry to keep going back to that, but it's true).

Yes, and yet again, I admit I have said multiple just plain wrong things here. I appreciate the intelligence of the people here because they are able to see the difference between my actual opinions and my being a very mediocre debatee.

 

[savandicus]

Why just because something is special does it mean it should only be shared with your life long partner?

Becuase if you sleep with every person you speak to it wouldnt be special anymore.

You're assuming a heteronormative view of sex. Lesbians lost their doddle when they turned it into a clitoris in the womb, but they can still have sex.

I'm using classical stereotypes as an example, and lesbians still have their sexual organs intact so can still pleasure eachother which can be called sex. However a hetrosexual man whos lost his john thomas can no longer have sex due to lacking sexual organs.

That's not quite true. The man still has a tongue and fingers and numerous other bodily parts that could be useful in sexual acts. Just because you don't have sexual organs it doesn't mean you can not have sex. ;P Humans are quite inventive. 'Besides isn't that what strap ons are for? People that lack a particular sexual organ? XD

The person without the sexual organs isnt experiences any sexual excitation and all the chemicals etc that go with it. If you lose your banana then you lose your sex drive and most of the enjoyment of sex.

(i'm running out of bad euphimisms for rods )

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Well for some bizzare reason I cannot seem to be able to qoute any one so ile just have to hope he/She see's this lol, Erana you'll probably change your mind about sex as soon as you've had it, I used to think like you, But once I had it well kinda changed my mind about it lol. I dont know why becuase I'm no scientist but people seem to act more mature once they lose there viginity.

Or maybe a lot of people have sex during a time when they're maturing rapidly (late adolescence). Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

But, yeah, once you're in a position where you want to have sex, your perspective changes a bit.

 

[The_Prophet]

Well, I really don't understand why people care about it so much, or even want to have it, for that matter. It is disgusting, in actuality. I mean, all the bodily fluids, disease, and proximity to the anus 'n what not...
I'm stayin' a virgin until I find a lifelong mate who can make that sound appealing. (among other qualities of course.)

You've read my mind there.

On Topic: You are saying that sex is absolutely necessary for a relationship to work out? There is that strange strong feeling called Love.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

(i'm running out of bad euphimisms for rods )

Penis?

 

[Avatar Roku]

(i'm running out of bad euphimisms for rods )

No! Don't give up, there must be more! We're counting on you to lighten the mood!

 

[savandicus]

Why just because something is special does it mean it should only be shared with your life long partner?

Becuase if you sleep with every person you speak to it wouldnt be special anymore.

You're assuming a heteronormative view of sex. Lesbians lost their doddle when they turned it into a clitoris in the womb, but they can still have sex.

I'm using classical stereotypes as an example, and lesbians still have their sexual organs intact so can still pleasure eachother which can be called sex. However a hetrosexual man whos lost his john thomas can no longer have sex due to lacking sexual organs.

No one's suggesting that one goes out and has sex with everyone, just that it's possible to be in a long-term, committed relationship (that isn't marriage), where you can have sex without demeaning it.

Also, why John Thomas?

I was exaggerating and being slightly sarcastic (something which i will regret due to everyone taking it seriously). And although it will still be special for people who only have sex with a handful of people who they really like you cant deny it will be more special for people who only have sex with the 1 person they spend their life with. Spreading the love doesnt make it not special it just makes it slightly less special.

And why John Thomas, because in all of my replies to this thread i've been using completely ridiculous stand in for a mans length of pipe because i can. John thomas is one of the ones used in monty pythons meaning of life's song about a weiner.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Well, I really don't understand why people care about it so much, or even want to have it, for that matter. It is disgusting, in actuality. I mean, all the bodily fluids, disease, and proximity to the anus 'n what not...
I'm stayin' a virgin until I find a lifelong mate who can make that sound appealing. (among other qualities of course.)

You've read my mind there.

On Topic: You are saying that sex is absolutely necessary for a relationship to work out? There is that strange strong feeling called Love.

That's the thing; his argument was that love is important, but that sex is as well. Let me find a quote:

If in fact we can all agree that a relationship based solely on sex is doomed to fail, then surely one based solely on love is also doomed to the same fate. After all, man is a "carnal" animal.

There, you see? He's saying that they need to exist in balance.

 

[Xanadeas]

Why just because something is special does it mean it should only be shared with your life long partner?

Becuase if you sleep with every person you speak to it wouldnt be special anymore.

You're assuming a heteronormative view of sex. Lesbians lost their doddle when they turned it into a clitoris in the womb, but they can still have sex.

I'm using classical stereotypes as an example, and lesbians still have their sexual organs intact so can still pleasure eachother which can be called sex. However a hetrosexual man whos lost his john thomas can no longer have sex due to lacking sexual organs.

That's not quite true. The man still has a tongue and fingers and numerous other bodily parts that could be useful in sexual acts. Just because you don't have sexual organs it doesn't mean you can not have sex. ;P Humans are quite inventive. 'Besides isn't that what strap ons are for? People that lack a particular sexual organ? XD

The person without the sexual organs isnt experiences any sexual excitation and all the chemicals etc that go with it. If you lose your banana then you lose your sex drive and most of the enjoyment of sex.

(i'm running out of bad euphimisms for rods )

I could possible think of a few. It's true a person that loses their sexual organs may in fact lose their sex drive. (As evidenced by household pets that have been neutured.) However that doesn't mean the chemical reactions aren't there. They just need to find a new trigger. The brain has a remarkable way of rewiring itself if there has been damage to the body. New pathways form constantly. There are people that get aroused by even the most simple things. Ala the fetish and or kink.

 

[savandicus]

(i'm running out of bad euphimisms for rods )

No! Don't give up, there must be more! We're counting on you to lighten the mood!

Its ok, i've still got afew more names up my sleeve for mens one eye'd trouser snake.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I just don't understand what the argument is about in the first place. These are my opinions.

The issue is you're arguing like your opinions are valid for *everyone*

I admit, I have abused the word "fact" in my arguments multiple times now. I type as I speak. And no, I cannot truely form an opinion on the act of sex, but I can form an opinion on the social effects of sex.

People are so defensive about sex. People formulate opinions about murder all the time without having actually committed it. Killing is also a part of what got us here, isn't it? It is anthropologically fascinating to see people so vigorously defending something so... Well, I don't have permission to describe it, apparently, but still. From an anthropological aspect, at least.
I mean, where did the idea of sex in proximity to an intimate relationship come in the first place?

The thing is, murder is actually an IMMORAL act, as in, it hurts people. Sex isn't because it doesn't.

Unless it's rape, but that's not what we're talking about here.

Also, people aren't that defensive about sex, they just dislike being told their opinions are WRONG WRONG WRONG by someone who hasn't actually experienced it (sorry to keep going back to that, but it's true).

yeah rape is NOT sex and actually has little to do with sex. while yes it does share the penetration part with sex, it's more about control and domination. it's more about physical harm and control, hence why it's called sexual assault

as for why it's considered intimate, it's probly because the act itself is very intimate and brings closeness. first off you are both naked and defenseless, and by defenseless i mean no weapons to defend yourself with, in front of one another. secondly you are offering yourself to the person in a role of trust that the other person won't do something unwanted. thirdly there is the touching and kissing and rubbing against one another that brings you two close. lastly and most importantly there is the act of penetration, in which one partner is inside the other one, you can't really be closer to someone than that

And again, consensual sex has ZERO immorality attached to it. It can cause physical pain if certain things aren't done correctly, but if its between people who are agreeing to do it, then there is no true harm.

i don't know i can think of a few things that can cause pain even if done correctly

 

[meatloaf231]

Love makes people do completely idiotic things. I therefore avoid it at all costs. This avoidance of love means any sex would be loveless, making it nothing more than feral instinct. Giving into that would shows very low self-control on my part.