SEX!!!

[Xanadeas]

Pre-Martial sex is a terrible sin. Sex is something to share with someone you love. and if you love her than MARRY HER! and if you think that you need sex to love someone, you have never truly been in love mate.

I grew up in the church and had shite like that forced down my throat. Its only a sin if you look at it that way. I don't need sex for love, I love one guy, but we aren't going to get married and we have sex constantly. You can't tell someone if they have or haven't truly been in love based on your own religious views. Everyone feels love a different way. I'm a cynical ***** and I found love and as far as he and I, I'm not a cynical *****, I'm just a *****. He makes me believe in better things but that's between he and I and whats going on in my own life. Irregardless to the point. For some people, sex = love and they can't have it any other way, so in their own way they have truly been in love.

so you truly love this man you are with? and you do not plan on marrying him? or have kids? than what happens if by some accident that you find your self pregnant and he leaves and dose not take care of the baby with you? that's when you look back and say to your self "I really should have thought about how i felt about this guy before i did the horizontal monster mash with him"

What difference does it make if you marry them...? You get a divorce settlement..? Great.

And if the guy turns out to be a wanker it really doesn't make a difference whether you're married or not, he's still going to fuck off and leave you on your own.

you know what? if you want to sin your pants off fine with me.

Oh dear.. there was no need for that, now.

And yes, I am very pleased that I have now gained your permission to do whatever the FUCK I LIKE.

well that's what you get when you argue with a very religious roman catholic. who believes in a VERY STRONG code of ethics in which i must follow, aka "the ten commandments" and i feel that by following them i will get into heaven when i die. and i just feel that we should all have a right to get in. but sinners are not allowed entrance.

Well fine, but if people disagree with you don't resort to calling them pricks just for having their own opinions. That's just pathetic, I'm afraid, and I'm sure Jesus would not approve.

well it was the only bad name that did not really sound all that mean that the time i had written it lol.

Prick...? I'd say that's pretty offensive, and in actual fact I wasn't even having an argument with you - I said ONE thing to you, that in fact wasn't even much of a criticism, and you called me a prick.

As I remember, WRATH is actually one of the 7 deadly sins... You're going to hell, friend.

you know what? maybe i am. with all of the unholiness and temptation in the world i think we all might be going to hell. every but you of course.

You tit. Have I ever, in the space of all these posts, tried to elevate myself above anyone?

Looks like the thread's dying as everyone seems willing to resort to name calling now. xD Ahh well, thirteen pages without it is pretty surprising considering it's the internet.

Everyone's entitled to their beliefs, screeching that so and so will go to hell for theirs is a bit unnecessary. If a you are indeed worried about someone (other than yourself) going to hell feel free to try and convert them to your religion but don't climb upon a soap box and start preaching. It's unnecessary and rude. Oh and I'm a liberal atheist. ;D And gay. And a FURRY!

 

[ThatJagoGuy]

sorry if you just sit around and not do anything sexual with your partner at all, that's a friendship. i mean look at it this way, you sit around, talk, watch tv but you don't touch one another in any way beyond the occasional kiss, that's friendship

So an elderly couple must be humping like rabbits in order to love each other? I love my parents, but I'm sure as hell not going to jump their bones. If you have a positive relationship, it's a form of love by definition.
You're essentially arguing against the psychological community who has dedicated over half a century to the research of love and relationships. No offence, but I think I'll back them on this one.

actually you were defining ALL types of love in the article and it stated LOVE not RELATIONSHIPS. i can certainly love my family members without having sex with them or being in a romantic relationship.

oh and for the record, yes old ppl are still sexually active. why not look up some things about old people having sex, it will surprise you to find out that they are still sexually active.

so will they can DEFINE love, they are defining love and not relationships

Exactly. Some of the people in this thread have a very immature understanding of love and relationships. My great grandfather married for the 3rd time at 86. She was the love of his life. You couldn't look at those two together and not see it, heck its the reason I believe in love. While I know they shared a bed, I doubt they were fooling around as much as your average 18 year old couple. Many people that age aren't even physically capable of intercourse or even sexual activity.

well for one it's not an immature look at it, it's rather realistic. as for your grandfather, i'm pretty sure they are active sexually, you just don't want to think about. he was one of the people that viagra and cialis was made for

Sir, I doth my cap to you. Clearly your structured, logical arguments have made fools of us all. I betroth to you my collection of psychology text books, my degree, and my place in the BSc Psychology exam on this very subject which I would have been sitting tomorrow if you had not shown me the light.

Nah, but really it could be that you're making absolute sense and I have fried my brain with revising. Either way, I'm out of this thread.

 

[hippykiller]

Pre-Martial sex is a terrible sin. Sex is something to share with someone you love. and if you love her than MARRY HER! and if you think that you need sex to love someone, you have never truly been in love mate.

I grew up in the church and had shite like that forced down my throat. Its only a sin if you look at it that way. I don't need sex for love, I love one guy, but we aren't going to get married and we have sex constantly. You can't tell someone if they have or haven't truly been in love based on your own religious views. Everyone feels love a different way. I'm a cynical ***** and I found love and as far as he and I, I'm not a cynical *****, I'm just a *****. He makes me believe in better things but that's between he and I and whats going on in my own life. Irregardless to the point. For some people, sex = love and they can't have it any other way, so in their own way they have truly been in love.

so you truly love this man you are with? and you do not plan on marrying him? or have kids? than what happens if by some accident that you find your self pregnant and he leaves and dose not take care of the baby with you? that's when you look back and say to your self "I really should have thought about how i felt about this guy before i did the horizontal monster mash with him"

What difference does it make if you marry them...? You get a divorce settlement..? Great.

And if the guy turns out to be a wanker it really doesn't make a difference whether you're married or not, he's still going to fuck off and leave you on your own.

you know what? if you want to sin your pants off fine with me.

Oh dear.. there was no need for that, now.

And yes, I am very pleased that I have now gained your permission to do whatever the FUCK I LIKE.

well that's what you get when you argue with a very religious roman catholic. who believes in a VERY STRONG code of ethics in which i must follow, aka "the ten commandments" and i feel that by following them i will get into heaven when i die. and i just feel that we should all have a right to get in. but sinners are not allowed entrance.

Oh a Roman Catholic. Wonderful.
Well then, as you are trying to put other people down, I think it's time for a few home truths.
1)How can you justify the existence of the Vatican? One of the richest businesses which takes money from some of the poorest people in the world.
Matthew 19:21 (New International Version)
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Yeah, because that's what the Vatican is doing.
2)No contraception. Well that goes down wonderfully in Mexico and places doesn't it? Wait, no it doesn't. What's wrong with making love with your partner and not wanting a child? Is God against intimacy?

3)And then all of these:
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

http://home.earthlink.net/~owl233/biblequotes.htm

Have fun explaining all that and then how your view on sex before marriage is so concrete as its based on the same book with these ridiculous contradictions and ideas.

what every man if you think that the bible is silly. then you can just happily burn in hell.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Sir, I doth my cap to you. Clearly your structured, logical arguments have made fools of us all. I betroth to you my collection of psychology text books, my degree, and my place in the BSc Psychology exam on this very subject which I would have been sitting tomorrow if you had not shown me the light.

Nah, but really it could be that you're making absolute sense and I have fried my brain with revising. Either way, I'm out of this thread.

i just used my basic english 101 skills and a dictionary to defeat your argument, as in your original post you said "psychology defines loves as this" and the topic on hand is sex and relationships. notice that love isn't part of that?

doesn't take a psych majour to figure out that love is not a relationship, it's part of one but not the whole thing

Oh dear.. there was no need for that, now.

And yes, I am very pleased that I have now gained your permission to do whatever the FUCK I LIKE.

well that's what you get when you argue with a very religious roman catholic. who believes in a VERY STRONG code of ethics in which i must follow, aka "the ten commandments" and i feel that by following them i will get into heaven when i die. and i just feel that we should all have a right to get in. but sinners are not allowed entrance.[/quote]

ok so you live by a "strict code of ethics" that was laid down in the bible, yet you call other people names? sorry that's against said code of ethics laid down in the bible, you sir are sinning as much as the person you are accusing.

also since you're following the bible strictly, how much are you willing to sell your first born daughter for? cause that's in the bible too

there is also a LOT of mention of sex in the bible such as this one

Ezekiel 23:20
For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

 

[hippykiller]

Pre-Martial sex is a terrible sin. Sex is something to share with someone you love. and if you love her than MARRY HER! and if you think that you need sex to love someone, you have never truly been in love mate.

Wait, no.
This kind of ridiculous thinking just ends up causing people to marry early, have a night of awful, awkward sex, only to divorce later along the lines.
Sorry, but I doubt that you've either been in love, or had sex with your comment. Both come hand in hand, unless you think you can love someone, and not be intimate.

well if you marry someone just to have sex than it is not going to be a loving marriage in the first place!

The great thing is you sound just like him.
He thinks he's in love, but really deep down inside, it's just sexual tension. You can't say you've never had an unclean thought, so that would surely influence you subconsciously in a relationship.
Not to mention the whole sex before marriage idea was just that women would have support for if they had children - it has no place in todays society.
Plus what happens if it turns out if *Blunt fact alert* your penis is too large for her vagina? Have a sexless marriage?
And then what about the 'magical honeymoon'? It'll hurt like hell for the woman, and the guy will have no idea what he is doing. Where is the magic in that?
You can't taste one flavour of ice-cream and say it's your favourite. Same with sex. What happens if your partner gets her tits out and you find them (in whatever style they are) such a turn off you can't get it up?

C'mon, no sex before marriage causes far too many problems than solving any.

what ever man im going to tell you the same thing i told the other prick that i am arguing with. if you want to sin your pants off and live in a fucked up liberal society then fine with me.

Listen... if you're so thick that you cannot sustain a decent argument to validate your beliefs then that's your fault, not ours.

And really, there's no need for name-calling. It just makes you look a bit weak, more than anything.

'Oh no, people won't agree with me, FUCK OFF YOU'RE WRONG blah blah blah blah blah'.

hahahaha your right! it all makes sense now! thank you so much for enlightening me! i will just go and join you all in hell!

HAHA
Firstly, how can you claim that such an aggressive attitude is Chrisitan?
Secondly, learn your Bible. Hell DOES NOT EXIST
If you had any actual knowledge of the Bible (Theology) you would know that Jesus was actually referring to a slum town outside of Jerusalem which was the landfill for Jerusalem & phonetically translates to hell. In this place rabid dogs were wild, the trash was burnt & generally it was a shit hole. Jesus was saying "If you follow my teachings, you can avoid living in a place like that", not talking about some magical afterlife.
Plus, do you really think that Arabs were going around with names like Matthew, Mark, Luke & John!? GET REAL.
If you had any logic, you would know a history source from over 500 years ago is dubious, let alone one from 2000 years ago which is known not to have been written at the time of Jesus, but later, by a murdering king to control his people
/rant
Point is, you ignored everything I said about what happens when you literally are too big for a woman, and the other examples. You are not living in the real world and are going to have a miserable, unhappy existence if you keep on following outdated social guidelines. Bets are though, you already know this, hence why you hang on so dearly to your views and just ignore any valid comments made with: "Well....you go ahead and sin!"

PS. Quaran says you're wrong. And there's nothing you can do about it.

oh so your a Muslim are you? well no madder i am not going to aggure with you. oh and you spelled Quaran wrong. its spelt Qur'an.

 

[hippykiller]

Sir, I doth my cap to you. Clearly your structured, logical arguments have made fools of us all. I betroth to you my collection of psychology text books, my degree, and my place in the BSc Psychology exam on this very subject which I would have been sitting tomorrow if you had not shown me the light.

Nah, but really it could be that you're making absolute sense and I have fried my brain with revising. Either way, I'm out of this thread.

i just used my basic english 101 skills and a dictionary to defeat your argument, as in your original post you said "psychology defines loves as this" and the topic on hand is sex and relationships. notice that love isn't part of that?

doesn't take a psych majour to figure out that love is not a relationship, it's part of one but not the whole thing

Oh dear.. there was no need for that, now.

And yes, I am very pleased that I have now gained your permission to do whatever the FUCK I LIKE.

well that's what you get when you argue with a very religious roman catholic. who believes in a VERY STRONG code of ethics in which i must follow, aka "the ten commandments" and i feel that by following them i will get into heaven when i die. and i just feel that we should all have a right to get in. but sinners are not allowed entrance.

ok so you live by a "strict code of ethics" that was laid down in the bible, yet you call other people names? sorry that's against said code of ethics laid down in the bible, you sir are sinning as much as the person you are accusing.

also since you're following the bible strictly, how much are you willing to sell your first born daughter for? cause that's in the bible too

there is also a LOT of mention of sex in the bible such as this one

Ezekiel 23:20
For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.[/quote]ah but was that not before the time of Jesus? before he tried to reform the world as his father had seem fit? but them a group of people who i am not going to name had him executed in the slowest most painful way imaginable just because he was a threat to their religion.

 

[hippykiller]

Pre-Martial sex is a terrible sin. Sex is something to share with someone you love. and if you love her than MARRY HER! and if you think that you need sex to love someone, you have never truly been in love mate.

Wait, no.
This kind of ridiculous thinking just ends up causing people to marry early, have a night of awful, awkward sex, only to divorce later along the lines.
Sorry, but I doubt that you've either been in love, or had sex with your comment. Both come hand in hand, unless you think you can love someone, and not be intimate.

well if you marry someone just to have sex than it is not going to be a loving marriage in the first place!

The great thing is you sound just like him.
He thinks he's in love, but really deep down inside, it's just sexual tension. You can't say you've never had an unclean thought, so that would surely influence you subconsciously in a relationship.
Not to mention the whole sex before marriage idea was just that women would have support for if they had children - it has no place in todays society.
Plus what happens if it turns out if *Blunt fact alert* your penis is too large for her vagina? Have a sexless marriage?
And then what about the 'magical honeymoon'? It'll hurt like hell for the woman, and the guy will have no idea what he is doing. Where is the magic in that?
You can't taste one flavour of ice-cream and say it's your favourite. Same with sex. What happens if your partner gets her tits out and you find them (in whatever style they are) such a turn off you can't get it up?

C'mon, no sex before marriage causes far too many problems than solving any.

what ever man im going to tell you the same thing i told the other prick that i am arguing with. if you want to sin your pants off and live in a fucked up liberal society then fine with me.

Listen... if you're so thick that you cannot sustain a decent argument to validate your beliefs then that's your fault, not ours.

And really, there's no need for name-calling. It just makes you look a bit weak, more than anything.

'Oh no, people won't agree with me, FUCK OFF YOU'RE WRONG blah blah blah blah blah'.

hahahaha your right! it all makes sense now! thank you so much for enlightening me! i will just go and join you all in hell!

HAHA
Firstly, how can you claim that such an aggressive attitude is Chrisitan?
Secondly, learn your Bible. Hell DOES NOT EXIST
If you had any actual knowledge of the Bible (Theology) you would know that Jesus was actually referring to a slum town outside of Jerusalem which was the landfill for Jerusalem & phonetically translates to hell. In this place rabid dogs were wild, the trash was burnt & generally it was a shit hole. Jesus was saying "If you follow my teachings, you can avoid living in a place like that", not talking about some magical afterlife.
Plus, do you really think that Arabs were going around with names like Matthew, Mark, Luke & John!? GET REAL.
If you had any logic, you would know a history source from over 500 years ago is dubious, let alone one from 2000 years ago which is known not to have been written at the time of Jesus, but later, by a murdering king to control his people
/rant
Point is, you ignored everything I said about what happens when you literally are too big for a woman, and the other examples. You are not living in the real world and are going to have a miserable, unhappy existence if you keep on following outdated social guidelines. Bets are though, you already know this, hence why you hang on so dearly to your views and just ignore any valid comments made with: "Well....you go ahead and sin!"

PS. Quaran says you're wrong. And there's nothing you can do about it.

oh so your a Muslim are you? well no madder i am not going to aggure with you. oh and you spelled Quaran wrong. its spelt Qur'an.

I actually thought he was talking about Quarians :')

[Edit:] And I'm no spelling Nazi (anymore), but maybe you should learn to spell yourself before you start advising others, hm...?

what, do you mean the Quarians from mass affect?

 

[hippykiller]

Oh a Roman Catholic. Wonderful.
Well then, as you are trying to put other people down, I think it's time for a few home truths.
1)How can you justify the existence of the Vatican? One of the richest businesses which takes money from some of the poorest people in the world.
Matthew 19:21 (New International Version)
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Yeah, because that's what the Vatican is doing.
2)No contraception. Well that goes down wonderfully in Mexico and places doesn't it? Wait, no it doesn't. What's wrong with making love with your partner and not wanting a child? Is God against intimacy?

3)And then all of these:
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

http://home.earthlink.net/~owl233/biblequotes.htm

Have fun explaining all that and then how your view on sex before marriage is so concrete as its based on the same book with these ridiculous contradictions and ideas.

what every man if you think that the bible is silly. then you can just happily burn in hell.

I smell a Troll!
Seriously, defend your honour. You can't say "Yeah, well, you'll burn in hell", because I just said it's not real...
And not to mention:
[HEADING=2]

YOUR GOING STRAIGHT TO JAHANNUM YOU KAFIR​

[/HEADING]

Stop using the "My magical sky daddy is going to woop your ass for disagreeing with me" argument.
Seriously, how can you advocate sex before marriage when you have been told the horrors that can arise because of it, all because of an ancient book ran by a bunch of business men?

im done arguing with you. please do not respond,quote, or send me any messages i never wish to hear from you again. have a nice day.

 

[hippykiller]

Pre-Martial sex is a terrible sin. Sex is something to share with someone you love. and if you love her than MARRY HER! and if you think that you need sex to love someone, you have never truly been in love mate.

I grew up in the church and had shite like that forced down my throat. Its only a sin if you look at it that way. I don't need sex for love, I love one guy, but we aren't going to get married and we have sex constantly. You can't tell someone if they have or haven't truly been in love based on your own religious views. Everyone feels love a different way. I'm a cynical ***** and I found love and as far as he and I, I'm not a cynical *****, I'm just a *****. He makes me believe in better things but that's between he and I and whats going on in my own life. Irregardless to the point. For some people, sex = love and they can't have it any other way, so in their own way they have truly been in love.

so you truly love this man you are with? and you do not plan on marrying him? or have kids? than what happens if by some accident that you find your self pregnant and he leaves and dose not take care of the baby with you? that's when you look back and say to your self "I really should have thought about how i felt about this guy before i did the horizontal monster mash with him"

What difference does it make if you marry them...? You get a divorce settlement..? Great.

And if the guy turns out to be a wanker it really doesn't make a difference whether you're married or not, he's still going to fuck off and leave you on your own.

you know what? if you want to sin your pants off fine with me.

Oh dear.. there was no need for that, now.

And yes, I am very pleased that I have now gained your permission to do whatever the FUCK I LIKE.

well that's what you get when you argue with a very religious roman catholic. who believes in a VERY STRONG code of ethics in which i must follow, aka "the ten commandments" and i feel that by following them i will get into heaven when i die. and i just feel that we should all have a right to get in. but sinners are not allowed entrance.

Well fine, but if people disagree with you don't resort to calling them pricks just for having their own opinions. That's just pathetic, I'm afraid, and I'm sure Jesus would not approve.

well it was the only bad name that did not really sound all that mean that the time i had written it lol.

Prick...? I'd say that's pretty offensive, and in actual fact I wasn't even having an argument with you - I said ONE thing to you, that in fact wasn't even much of a criticism, and you called me a prick.

As I remember, WRATH is actually one of the 7 deadly sins... You're going to hell, friend.

you know what? maybe i am. with all of the unholiness and temptation in the world i think we all might be going to hell. every but you of course.

You tit. Have I ever, in the space of all these posts, tried to elevate myself above anyone?

you have been claiming that i am going to hell for trying to defend my religion to the best of my ability even though it is futile because you just wont shut the fuck up.

 

[hippykiller]

Pre-Martial sex is a terrible sin. Sex is something to share with someone you love. and if you love her than MARRY HER! and if you think that you need sex to love someone, you have never truly been in love mate.

I grew up in the church and had shite like that forced down my throat. Its only a sin if you look at it that way. I don't need sex for love, I love one guy, but we aren't going to get married and we have sex constantly. You can't tell someone if they have or haven't truly been in love based on your own religious views. Everyone feels love a different way. I'm a cynical ***** and I found love and as far as he and I, I'm not a cynical *****, I'm just a *****. He makes me believe in better things but that's between he and I and whats going on in my own life. Irregardless to the point. For some people, sex = love and they can't have it any other way, so in their own way they have truly been in love.

so you truly love this man you are with? and you do not plan on marrying him? or have kids? than what happens if by some accident that you find your self pregnant and he leaves and dose not take care of the baby with you? that's when you look back and say to your self "I really should have thought about how i felt about this guy before i did the horizontal monster mash with him"

What difference does it make if you marry them...? You get a divorce settlement..? Great.

And if the guy turns out to be a wanker it really doesn't make a difference whether you're married or not, he's still going to fuck off and leave you on your own.

you know what? if you want to sin your pants off fine with me.

Which is exactly what's behind all this 'sex is about love and marriage' talk: in the end, it all boils down to someone imposing their morals on someone else, it's just hidden behind layers of excuses.

i never imposed my religion or morals on anyone. when this forum first came out i simply put down that pre-marital sex is a sin. but than twats like you came along and challenged me to a battle royal on who is right.

Look at it like this:
The average person who says sex before marriage is needed, says so because it will make the person happy.
Other people say sex before marriage may make a person unhappy.,
YOUR saying sex before marriage condemns us all to a (non-existent) place of eternal torment, because a 2000yr old book says so, and we are all 'retards' for not believing a book written by a murderer.

Your view and screaming "Sinners" makes you illogical at best, but more honestly down right obnoxious.
If you could actually prove anything you were saying, then it may have some weight behind it. At least I can respect someone who says sex before marriage can cause STD's, pregnancy etc.
You're saying it's bad because "A magical sky dadday that no one has seen says so, and if I don't obey him, I'm going to another magical place. When I die".

PS. Good one at defending your religion with the "If I don't see it, it's not there approach." If you are going to cast judgement, at least have some weight behind you.

what ever man i am not going to listen to you fuck with my beliefs. please do not ever speek with me again.

 

[hippykiller]

Pre-Martial sex is a terrible sin. Sex is something to share with someone you love. and if you love her than MARRY HER! and if you think that you need sex to love someone, you have never truly been in love mate.

I grew up in the church and had shite like that forced down my throat. Its only a sin if you look at it that way. I don't need sex for love, I love one guy, but we aren't going to get married and we have sex constantly. You can't tell someone if they have or haven't truly been in love based on your own religious views. Everyone feels love a different way. I'm a cynical ***** and I found love and as far as he and I, I'm not a cynical *****, I'm just a *****. He makes me believe in better things but that's between he and I and whats going on in my own life. Irregardless to the point. For some people, sex = love and they can't have it any other way, so in their own way they have truly been in love.

so you truly love this man you are with? and you do not plan on marrying him? or have kids? than what happens if by some accident that you find your self pregnant and he leaves and dose not take care of the baby with you? that's when you look back and say to your self "I really should have thought about how i felt about this guy before i did the horizontal monster mash with him"

What difference does it make if you marry them...? You get a divorce settlement..? Great.

And if the guy turns out to be a wanker it really doesn't make a difference whether you're married or not, he's still going to fuck off and leave you on your own.

you know what? if you want to sin your pants off fine with me.

Which is exactly what's behind all this 'sex is about love and marriage' talk: in the end, it all boils down to someone imposing their morals on someone else, it's just hidden behind layers of excuses.

i never imposed my religion or morals on anyone. when this forum first came out i simply put down that pre-marital sex is a sin. but than twats like you came along and challenged me to a battle royal on who is right.

Look at it like this:
The average person who says sex before marriage is needed, says so because it will make the person happy.
Other people say sex before marriage may make a person unhappy.,
YOUR saying sex before marriage condemns us all to a (non-existent) place of eternal torment, because a 2000yr old book says so, and we are all 'retards' for not believing a book written by a murderer.

Your view and screaming "Sinners" makes you illogical at best, but more honestly down right obnoxious.
If you could actually prove anything you were saying, then it may have some weight behind it. At least I can respect someone who says sex before marriage can cause STD's, pregnancy etc.
You're saying it's bad because "A magical sky dadday that no one has seen says so, and if I don't obey him, I'm going to another magical place. When I die".

PS. Good one at defending your religion with the "If I don't see it, it's not there approach." If you are going to cast judgement, at least have some weight behind you.

what ever man i am not going to listen to you fuck with my beliefs. please do not ever speek with me again.

Well what do you say to a couple that may be physically incompatible?
Wait until they are married and then tell them to have a sexless marriage? A marriage without the most intimate act possible?
If your so quick to condemn everyone, you at least need to give a solution.
What is that solution?

i already reported you once mate. so please shut the fuck while you can.