Sexual Relationships

[cleverlymadeup]

So are you saying that biochemistry is simple? that social behaviors are simple? are yo saying this is all perfectly explainable and is in fact not as complicated as people think?/double sarcasm

actually yes biochemistry is pretty easy, it's hard to learn but really it's pretty simple

social behavior is even easier to understand, you just want to complicate it. the way we act isn't a big mystery. we might try and have a long winded complex explanation for it but in reality there's a very simple reason for why we do things

I know. I hate complicating things.
also, what exactly is this simple reason for why we do things?

there's a few reasons why we do things, it's usually for sex, social standing, getting food and maybe one or two other reasons. sure what you might want is a bit different but the why isn't. we do try and add all these reasons why or why not but that's just the justification, not the why

The thing is that it isn't some "big mystery". It's that so far we understand only so much and what we do know, is pretty damn complicated. You must remember, that the things you're taught in school are simplifications of complicated phenomena, we simplify them in order to be able to process the notions in our minds. If it were all so simple, if we'd figured it all out, then why don't we have a cure for every imaginable disease? Why haven't we terraformed Mars? These are not ideas completely out of the question if we understand all the contributing factors and their functions. In fact, why do we even pay people to do research if it's all so simple and we've already figured it all out? Out of spite?

But it's all about perspective, I suppose. To me, nothing in this world is simple. If you consider the ocean of molecular reactions happening in your body any given second "simple", not to mention the bizarre dance of their sub-atomic particles, then you are far more intelligent and aware than I could've ever imagined anyone could be, and I apologize.

the simple answer is we don't know how to cure every disease because we don't know about them all or we don't have the technology to do it. this doesn't mean that it's complex, it means we don't understand it.

i think too many people misinterpret what scientists refer to as complex and the meaning behind it. complex in science doesn't always mean hard, most of the time it refers to the amount of connections or the layout. not whether it's hard to comprehend or not

 

[Sad Robot]

complex in science doesn't always mean hard, most of the time it refers to the amount of connections or the layout. not whether it's hard to comprehend or not

I never meant "complex" as in difficult. But I do believe there is a correlation between the two, I voiced that, and I still believe that.

I know why we do not know everything, but people who claim things are simple either understand nothing of physical structures or are being simply arrogant because they think they know something about them. Every professor I've ever talked to readily admits the complexity of the perceivably simple things whose structures and functions we take for granted every day.

EDIT:
Furthermore, "the simple answer is we don't know how to cure every disease because we don't know about them all or we don't have the technology to do it." is a sentence that has nothing simple about it. Do you fully realize what it took for you to type that thought and post it? All the perceivable coincidences (that aren't coincidences at all) it took for you to be there, be what and who you are and your surroundings to be what they are to allow all that to happen. I sure don't. We have a rough general idea, but that's a simplification not the truth.

Let alone the notion you were trying to convey.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

complex in science doesn't always mean hard, most of the time it refers to the amount of connections or the layout. not whether it's hard to comprehend or not

I never meant "complex" as in difficult. But I do believe there is a correlation between the two, I voiced that, and I still believe that.

I know why we do not know everything, but people who claim things are simple either understand nothing of physical structures or are being simply arrogant because they think they know something about them. Every professor I've ever talked to readily admits the complexity of the perceivably simple things whose structures and functions we take for granted every day.

EDIT:
Furthermore, "the simple answer is we don't know how to cure every disease because we don't know about them all or we don't have the technology to do it." is a sentence that has nothing simple about it. Do you fully realize what it took for you to type that thought and post it? All the perceivable coincidences (that aren't coincidences at all) it took for you to be there, be what and who you are and your surroundings to be what they are to allow all that to happen. I sure don't. We have a rough general idea, but that's a simplification not the truth.

Let alone the notion you were trying to convey.

you're confusing the two. your applying a simple reason or explanation to a complex system and saying it can't have a simple explanation behind it.

so you're mixing up your words and applying the reason/explanation to the system or the action.

 

[Sad Robot]

you're confusing the two. your applying a simple reason or explanation to a complex system and saying it can't have a simple explanation behind it.

so you're mixing up your words and applying the reason/explanation to the system or the action.

No, I don't think simplicity exists at all. If something is complex, it is by definition not simple. They are antonyms. And everything is complex. You may think your explanation of a given phenomenon is simple but it's not, it's just a simplification because you're not looking at the larger context.

 

[geldonyetich]

While I know fidelity is difficult - seriously, there seems to be a genetic propensity against it in many men [http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/09/02/male-female-gene.html] and women [http://science.box.sk/newsread.php?newsid=5974] - I'd still have a hard time fostering an open relationship given the knowledge that anyone my significant other is sleeping with could very well be giving me new and interesting social diseases. Never mind the red headed step children.

 

[Florion]

I think I get what OP is saying.

The largest issue is because sex and dating has become something ingrained upon us by our forefathers (and their predecessors forced it upon them, too). People forget that love - and marriage in the same way - is not something humans are born capable of. This is something we are trained to anticipate from the moment we see anyone kiss ever.

Actually, monogamous love is an evolutionary trait that survived because children who had both a mother and a father caring and providing for them had a better chance of surviving. It actually is something that comes naturally to most people.

 

[lizards]

do what i do 1 night stands

a very simple solution

But where's the emotional satisfaction?

if you want emotional satisfaction get a puppy (i love puppies) if you want sex go for the gold (1 night stands)

besides a puppy doesnt ***** at you day and night

edit: and also marriage is just a liscense to stop having fun........just saying

Cool story, but don't you have homework to do?

o look another person who sees gone gonzo by there name and thinks that its a liscense to troll

good job while yes i dont deny it for being 23 i have a very immature outlook on relationships but thats my opinion if you dont like it go fuck yourself

 

[Florion]

do what i do 1 night stands

a very simple solution

But where's the emotional satisfaction?

if you want emotional satisfaction get a puppy (i love puppies) if you want sex go for the gold (1 night stands)

besides a puppy doesnt ***** at you day and night

edit: and also marriage is just a liscense to stop having fun........just saying

Cool story, but don't you have homework to do?

o look another person who sees gone gonzo by there name and thinks that its a liscense to troll

good job while yes i dont deny it for being 23 i have a very immature outlook on relationships but thats my opinion if you dont like it go fuck yourself

I'm sorry, but while we're on the topic of "immature," I just casually looked over and saw "if you want emotional satisfaction get a puppy (i love puppies)" and I completely misread the situation.

also, some puppies ***** at you day and night, and some significant others don't.

 

[Lullabye]

I'm pretty sure every man has the sexual temptation programmed into him, no matter how much he loves his 'other'. Perhaps being allowed to indulge in such sexual exploits can alleviate some strain on a relationship too.

Speak for yourself. I have never had any interest in anything other than a single, monogamous long-term relationship. Anything else (including "hooking up" or whatever dumb shit kids do today) is meaningless and not worth considering.

And what happens if you get a girl pregnant and she decides to keep it? You can't force her to have an abortion;

I think that's a massive inequality of the whole topic. Girls can decide if they are ready to be a parent, yet for boys there's no choice its just "Suck it up" if she decides to keep it.

But there is a choice for guys: If you're not ready to accept the consequences, don't have sex. It's the same choice for women, except that biology saw fit to give them a bit more leverage in this instance. Fair or not, until medical science finds away to allow men to bear children, there's nothing you can do to change it.

It's nothing but an unfair double standard that can easily be fixed through legislation. If the woman can decide to abort, then so, too, should the man be able to "abort" by having no legal obligation to support the child or its mother.

It won't really come as a surprise to those who read my posts, but I don't really think the "traditional" nuclear family is anything but an outdated construct holding us back.

Liberal ideas like this have made Western civilization worse. Much, much worse.

I don't believe sex need to be as controversial as it is these days, or that it needs to be kept hidden, shameful and only between married couples.

This is typical for liberals. You talk as if there actually is something unusual about pre-marital and casual sex when there really isn't, and then you propose that something has to be done about it. It's like when liberals complain that that the Western world is always just seconds away from gassing all minorities, when nothing could be further from the truth.

People have this strange notion that loyalty means only sleeping with one person.

*claps, then gives cookie*
sex is sex. an act nothing more. if someone is offended by their partner having sex with others, then good for them.

Betrayal usually is considered offensive.

what qualifies as betrayal is subjective to each person.

 

[lizards]

Why the condescending attitude? Granted, lizards wasn't that considerate either but how is your remark in any way relevant?

If I may presume to speak for Rolling Thunder: He finds lizards' attitude and viewpoint childlike and immature, sentiments which I share.

He was trying to get that across by being condescending instead of flat-out being an ass.

You see how you're as trollable as anyone?
Harden up Maxy boy.
There are bigger boys than me around.

If you think you got on my nerves, you're incorrect in your assumption.
The only person important enough to criticize me is myself.

your saying im not important?

(goes and cries)

 

[Hooded-hyena]

I havent had sex yet. being 14 that actually seems like an acheivement.. I prefer to wait for my future husband. But being the kink that I am, I know already that we are going to have many fun nights togeather.. <3

That sounded weird.

 

[Silver]

I don't believe sex need to be as controversial as it is these days, or that it needs to be kept hidden, shameful and only between married couples.

This is typical for liberals. You talk as if there actually is something unusual about pre-marital and casual sex when there really isn't, and then you propose that something has to be done about it. It's like when liberals complain that that the Western world is always just seconds away from gassing all minorities, when nothing could be further from the truth.

No, there's nothing unusual about pre-marital or casual sex, and that's a good thing, but sex is still pretty controversial, when it really shouldn't need to be. There's still controversy about polyamourism, about bi- and homosexuality, about people living in non-traditional relationships.

You're putting words in my mouth, and I'm guessing you misunderstand me on purpose, to make me look bad, or yourself better. Yes, I'm exaggerating a bit in my post, but not by much. Sex is still kept hidden, it's seen as pretty shameful, at least when examined closer than "I scored with a chick last night! Booyah!" or when it doesn't conform to the norm. My point is that there's nothing wrong inherently wrong with sex, especially not with todays technology, when we can treat the diseases we may contract if we're stupid, and prevent the spread of them at all, if we're not, and avoid any unwanted consequences with foolproof methods (with 100% chance of sucess, if we do it correctly).

What I'm really saying is that I believe there's something wrong with the way sex is seen, and treated, as a subject today. I say that I believe that should change. I say that I believe (and here I could get a lot of scientific backing if I could be bothered) that this would make us happier, and more easy-going as a culture.

It won't really come as a surprise to those who read my posts, but I don't really think the "traditional" nuclear family is anything but an outdated construct holding us back.

Liberal ideas like this have made Western civilization worse. Much, much worse.

How? Why? Where? If you're going to say something like that, back it up.

 

[lizards]

do what i do 1 night stands

a very simple solution

But where's the emotional satisfaction?

if you want emotional satisfaction get a puppy (i love puppies) if you want sex go for the gold (1 night stands)

besides a puppy doesnt ***** at you day and night

edit: and also marriage is just a liscense to stop having fun........just saying

Cool story, but don't you have homework to do?

o look another person who sees gone gonzo by there name and thinks that its a liscense to troll

good job while yes i dont deny it for being 23 i have a very immature outlook on relationships but thats my opinion if you dont like it go fuck yourself

I'm sorry, but while we're on the topic of "immature," I just casually looked over and saw "if you want emotional satisfaction get a puppy (i love puppies)" and I completely misread the situation.

also, some puppies ***** at you day and night, and some significant others don't.

ah yes if your lucky you find one that doesnt

but a dog can be trained to be quiet or to sit and stuff

but yes if your lucky you find one that doesnt always complain and those are the ones that you need to hold onto

 

[lizards]

your saying im not important?

(goes and cries)

I don't think you said that.
I can still see your post without clicking on it, meaning you're not on my ignore list, so you're likely not the person that was directed at.

it was a joke max

you say that your the only one important enough to criticize yourself

and yes im not on your ignore list im on your friends list......

 

[lizards]

it was a joke max

you say that your the only one important enough to criticize yourself

and yes im not on your ignore list im on your friends list......

Oh, right.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to the three-lined post I responded to.
Man, I'm tired.

Oh.
Well, see?
That's a reasonable explanation.

yes there is an explanation for everything except the things that dont have one