Sexuality in gaming, your stance?

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

The Sorceress is worse than Ivy too me, though. I can't imagine how much that jiggling hurts.

I agree, I can't imagine trying to run with boobs like that, you would knock yourself out or break your nose. I had to tape mine down for gymnastics, but that just looks ridiculous.

 

[The_Echo]

What about those two do you find disgusting? They have muscular legs wide hips?

I think it's mainly in the face. Ever since I was a kid, I never liked how Anna's face or hair looked. Same with Ivy. Ivy looks too old for the rest of her body. It's gross.

that Spyro junk. LOL

I'll let that slide this time.

The Dragons crown idea of women is absurd.

I guess I'm not looking at these designs as "ideas of women." I'm just looking at them as designs. My qualifier is "Do I think it looks good? Y/N"

And of course what looks good to me is subjective, but there are also certain objective qualities to art. And I would argue to art in Dragon's Crown is objectively gorgeous, including the Sorceress (and Amazon, et al).

 

[Shadowstar38]

That argument doesn't work either, because people who would LIKE to be customers, but are excluded for whatever reason, have as much right to request a change. What you're claiming is like saying that Black people wouldn't have the right to ask that actors not do minstrel shows in Blackface, because they "aren't the target audience".

Dude. Please stop comparing purposely offensive or oppressive acts to our first world problems of not having good enough representation in our entertainment. It makes your argument look hyperbolic

 

[King Zeal]

Sexualization is not a first world problem. It happens at every level of society. Bad representation in media is bad representation, and still oppressive.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

As long as it isn't too in your face, I'm perfectly fine with most things. I mean, if I want to go watch something overly-sexualized and exploitative I'll go watch Kill la Kill. Just google image search it and you'll see what I mean.

I probably am not the first to talk about Kill la Kill but there is a decent counterargument to it just being fanservice but I do feel its a "having a cake and eating it situation"

this image does a better job to explain it

Kill La Kill explanation [http://i.imgur.com/DpG1VIk.jpg]

as for the OP, i'm an anime fan so sexy is not my main focus but cute. People like Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto do more for me than Ivy because they have cute expressions and designs while bing an odd personality mix that is both strong (takes a lot to see it in Noel but it's there) and awkwardness.

 

[King Zeal]

I don't know, that Kill La Kill could easily be grasping at justification straws. "Girl gets put in sexy outfit against her will and has to deal with male gaze because of it" isn't exactly a unique plot. Especially in anime, where it's almost a default reaction.

In short, it's difficult to say something is "exploring" a theme when it plays the stereotypes associated with that theme unironically straight.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

As long as it isn't too in your face, I'm perfectly fine with most things. I mean, if I want to go watch something overly-sexualized and exploitative I'll go watch Kill la Kill. Just google image search it and you'll see what I mean.

I probably am not the first to talk about Kill la Kill but there is a decent counterargument to it just being fanservice but I do feel its a "having a cake and eating it situation"

this image does a better job to explain it

Kill La Kill explanation [http://i.imgur.com/DpG1VIk.jpg]

as for the OP, i'm an anime fan so sexy is not my main focus but cute. People like Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto do more for me than Ivy because they have cute expressions and designs while bing an odd personality mix that is both strong (takes a lot to see it in Noel but it's there) and awkwardness.

The problem is Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto are not people at all. They are not women, nor are they an accurate representation of women. They are cartoons like roger rabbit. Saying that one is attracted to Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto is like saying someone is attracted to annoying orange or roger rabbit. They are not a representation of actual humans, no more than roger rabbit is a an actual male. Being attracted to actual males or females is different than being attracted to cartoons.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Are those first three even game characters, or is that anime? Anyway, I get what you're saying, but "sexily" characters with faces that resemble an eight-year-old's just creep me straight out. My disdain for anime style in general is showing through, I'm sure.

But yeah, there's a time and a place for it. I've seen sexuality done well, but it's usually done in the shittiest way ever. I also don't believe that overtly sexual character designs are needed to sell a game. Overall, I'd like to see more variety within the range of sexy to totally monstrous, because sexy all the time is boring and predictable.

Yes, the first three are anime (don't know the first two but the third is from Queen's Blade, a horrible fanservice meets fighting anime that most dignified people ignore(slightly hypocritical given the reception to Kill la Kill but see my other post and i will acknowledge a brain behind all the crazy))

Sexuallity can be done well but most writers in game or even movies which I feel that most games are aping don't know how to do it well so they go for 12 year old wank off. Granted, I'm 19 years old, male, and an otaku so my opinion may be heavily biased but I tend to like cute and not sexual

Spoiler: Shirogane Naoto

Spoiler: Noel Vermillion

regardless, My point may be biased but I do think that a move towards less overt sexuality and more cute with interesting personalities may be better

P.S. feel free to hate me for my insane interest in anime but I do feel like it's different

 

[Ryan Minns]

Eh, once or twice I've been confused as to how that ass, breasts or chest was talking but other than that I can't say I give a shit. I've played many games but I've apparently skipped all of the "Objects" within them so I can't comment on much.

I have actually wanted a game to have wondering eyes(Camera) though. Like imagine a game where if you select the "Let's be super friends!!!" option the camera shows a standard face to face conversation but if you're selecting all the "Yeah I'm so tapping that latter" options the camera occasionally will focus on his or her 'assets' during conversations? Just a random thought.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I don't know, that Kill La Kill could easily be grasping at justification straws. "Girl gets put in sexy outfit against her will and has to deal with male gaze because of it" isn't exactly a unique plot. Especially in anime, where it's almost a default reaction.

In short, it's difficult to say something is "exploring" a theme when it plays the stereotypes associated with that theme unironically straight.

it is Trigger who worked on Gurren Laggon and Panty and Stocking so there is a bit of a brain in it though it is really only explicitly seen in the third episode villain speech (seriously, Satsuki makes her big speech and it does make an interesting point though I will acknowledge how people can be turned off before it). Regardless, Japan has different standards of sexuality so it's difficult to talk and the show, in my sole biased opinion, make it up for interesting characters, fun action, and unique setting

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

As long as it isn't too in your face, I'm perfectly fine with most things. I mean, if I want to go watch something overly-sexualized and exploitative I'll go watch Kill la Kill. Just google image search it and you'll see what I mean.

I probably am not the first to talk about Kill la Kill but there is a decent counterargument to it just being fanservice but I do feel its a "having a cake and eating it situation"

this image does a better job to explain it

Kill La Kill explanation [http://i.imgur.com/DpG1VIk.jpg]

as for the OP, i'm an anime fan so sexy is not my main focus but cute. People like Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto do more for me than Ivy because they have cute expressions and designs while bing an odd personality mix that is both strong (takes a lot to see it in Noel but it's there) and awkwardness.

The problem is Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto are not people at all. They are not women, nor are they an accurate representation of women. They are cartoons like roger rabbit. Saying that one is attracted to Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto is like saying someone is attracted to annoying orange or roger rabbit. They are not a representation of actual humans, no more than roger rabbit is a an actual male. Being attracted to actual males or females is different than being attracted to cartoons.

I am well aware that that they are only characters but I find them at least better constructed than Ivy's who has a stupidly convoluted revenge plot and connection to Cervantes. Noel has some decent conflict and progress in her story and Shirogane's story, while exaggerated, still can be relatable to people. Besides, mediums can make characters that people are attracted to and admire without issue and while I acknowledge that my attraction is abnormal, I have a feeling I'm not alone. Plus, I theorize that for some, being attracted to real people shares similarities to attraction to characters since initial attachment has to be there for a reason (though the debate on synthetic relationships could turn this forum more scholarly that it is possible).

P.S. am I overreacting or do i sense that you think i'm a shut in Hikkikomori who has sexual attractions to characters.

 

[uchytjes]

I probably am not the first to talk about Kill la Kill but there is a decent counterargument to it just being fanservice but I do feel its a "having a cake and eating it situation"

this image does a better job to explain it

Kill La Kill explanation [http://i.imgur.com/DpG1VIk.jpg]

as for the OP, i'm an anime fan so sexy is not my main focus but cute. People like Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto do more for me than Ivy because they have cute expressions and designs while bing an odd personality mix that is both strong (takes a lot to see it in Noel but it's there) and awkwardness.

I am well aware about the counterargument to Kill La Kill's subtext and the theories surrounding it and actually support that view of the show, but it is still incredibly hard to get people to look beyond the breasts and butts to see it.

 

[King Zeal]

I don't know, that Kill La Kill could easily be grasping at justification straws. "Girl gets put in sexy outfit against her will and has to deal with male gaze because of it" isn't exactly a unique plot. Especially in anime, where it's almost a default reaction.

In short, it's difficult to say something is "exploring" a theme when it plays the stereotypes associated with that theme unironically straight.

it is Trigger who worked on Gurren Laggon and Panty and Stocking so there is a bit of a brain in it though it is really only explicitly seen in the third episode villain speech (seriously, Satsuki makes her big speech and it does make an interesting point though I will acknowledge how people can be turned off before it). Regardless, Japan has different standards of sexuality so it's difficult to talk and the show, in my sole biased opinion, make it up for interesting characters, fun action, and unique setting

It's definitely possible for a work to "make up for" blatant fanservice with other merits. I was only pointing out that this shouldn't stop us from examining it.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Sexualization is not a first world problem. It happens at every level of society. Bad representation in media is bad representation, and still oppressive.

Yeah...still not the right word to use here.

The sexualization exists because people like post number 70 appreciate it, aka, giving the audience what they want. This is not meant to oppress woman. At least not in the way normal people use that word.

 

[King Zeal]

Oppression does not rely on intent. Simply giving an audience "what they want" can still easily be a form of oppression, especially when it becomes systemic. There IS a such thing as an oppressive majority.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I don't know, that Kill La Kill could easily be grasping at justification straws. "Girl gets put in sexy outfit against her will and has to deal with male gaze because of it" isn't exactly a unique plot. Especially in anime, where it's almost a default reaction.

In short, it's difficult to say something is "exploring" a theme when it plays the stereotypes associated with that theme unironically straight.

it is Trigger who worked on Gurren Laggon and Panty and Stocking so there is a bit of a brain in it though it is really only explicitly seen in the third episode villain speech (seriously, Satsuki makes her big speech and it does make an interesting point though I will acknowledge how people can be turned off before it). Regardless, Japan has different standards of sexuality so it's difficult to talk and the show, in my sole biased opinion, make it up for interesting characters, fun action, and unique setting

It's definitely possible for a work to "make up for" blatant fanservice with other merits. I was only pointing out that this shouldn't stop us from examining it.

Believe me, I am cynical and bitter about anime so I analyze it for cultural connections and connotations all the time. Analysis does not hurt a show but improves it

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I probably am not the first to talk about Kill la Kill but there is a decent counterargument to it just being fanservice but I do feel its a "having a cake and eating it situation"

this image does a better job to explain it

Kill La Kill explanation [http://i.imgur.com/DpG1VIk.jpg]

as for the OP, i'm an anime fan so sexy is not my main focus but cute. People like Noel Vermillion or Shirogane Naoto do more for me than Ivy because they have cute expressions and designs while bing an odd personality mix that is both strong (takes a lot to see it in Noel but it's there) and awkwardness.

I am well aware about the counterargument to Kill La Kill's subtext and the theories surrounding it and actually support that view of the show, but it is still incredibly hard to get people to look beyond the breasts and butts to see it.

Believe me, When I first saw drawings of Matoi with Senketsu activated, I wanted to drop it, it took my entire anime club recommending it for me to watch it and I don't regret it

 

[Shadowstar38]

Oppression does not rely on intent. Simply giving an audience "what they want" can still easily be a form of oppression, especially when it becomes systemic. There IS a such thing as an oppressive majority.

You...aren't explaining yourself very well. Who is losing out by having a big-breasted woman in your game?

 

[SuperScrub]

My stance on the issue of over sexualizing in games is that if you want to create a characters that look pretty, confident, and dare I say sexy but give them significant character development and make them feel like actual people and give them a reason to be in the story then go right on ahead and more power to you.

However if sexiness is not only the only reason those characters are there in the first place but it's done in away that's overdone, juvenile, and pandering (you know the tropes, Panty shots, chainmail bikinis, jiggle physics, etc.) I will not only feel insulted as a gamer but insulted as a man, and I probably won't buy your game even if I was threatened with waterboarding.

 

[Silvanus]

You...aren't explaining yourself very well. Who is losing out by having big-breasted women in hundreds of games?

Fixed that for you.

To ask about individual games is to miss the point. There is nothing wrong with a big-breasted woman turning up in a game. It is when it happens again and again and again-- nearly inescapably, depending on the genre-- that it becomes a problem. Think macro.