You're gonna hate me then. I normally don't go for grab-heavy characters (save Goh in VF4:Evo), but goddamn I think Cerebella is fun to use.The Wykydtron said:
SkullGirls anyone?
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I'm with you on this. I love the Street Fighter series to death but the combat system is just stupid. IDC if it makes me sound like a noob or a 'scrub', if you have to learn frame data to pull off a combo then the combo system is far too complex for new players and the learning curve is too high. It's no wonder fighting games aren't as popular as they once were; the games just aren't accomodating to new players and TBH neither are the community.Syzygy23 said:
That's part of the joy of fighting games, from my experience: learning new and creative ways to apply what the game mechanics offer you. If the game itself tells you everything, what fun would that be? Instead of applying the knowledge you found first hand, you're essentially memorizing the answers from the back of the book.Syzygy23 said:
Not to mention that sometimes you may find something far more effective than what the game itself suggests. The game says this combo does this much damage? Hey, I can do a combo that does more damage AND can be done easier than the "textbook" example.
Basically, if you want to get better at the game, you will, but the game is only gonna open the door. You are the one that needs to walk through it.
Reread that bold part. That age has come and gone. But even then, it all goes back to that "technological discovery" bit. Think about it: how much ass did you kick when you figured out how to do Ryu's Hadouken? Or figured out how to land that 10-hitter in Killer Instinct? Or learned how to throw the harpoon with Scorpion?Syzygy23 said:
Today's fighting games are no different really; they just tell you how to do the moves, but not what they do. So it still falls back on you as a player to want to find out what attacks/moves are the most effective and which ones will only hasten your demise.
True, but that will only get you but so far. Not to mention most X-Rays are impractical; sure, you just destroyed an upwards of 50% of my health, but you wasted all your meter and now have no way to escape the combo that just dropped 75% of yours.Syzygy23 said:
There's nothing wrong with wanting a move list, but pretty much all fighting games are designed with the assumption that the player has at least a basic knowledge of the genre at large. The game itself can only do so much, and there are more than a few people who'll look down on you for enabling the "easy-auto" and there are even some who'll make you pay dearly for even relying on it in the first place.
I apologize if all that got a little preachy. I'm pretty passionate about the genre.
Oh, and don't go to Shoryuken.com. You'll get cramps.
While I don't disagree with the claim that 8 characters may be too little, there is a thing such as too many characters as well, otherwise you'll have too many damn match-ups to learn.xPixelatedx said:
edit: also to the guy above me, I'd want to point out that all that stuff you listed as enjoyable is precisely why the fighting game genre is extremely hard to get into. I enjoy fighting games quite a lot and has done since forever, but getting into them to the point where you're actually not downright bad requires a lot of effort. And this is coming from someone who had the spare time to become a top 100 player in an RTS. <_<
I stand corrected. Thank you.SageRuffin said:
We are going to have to disagree here. Small rosters (8-12 fighters) don't bother me (especially from a small dev just starting). Going back to your first post, why do you feel ripped off? The number of fighters in the game has been common knowledge for a while. It isn't like they hid the roster size.xPixelatedx said:
I'm with RedEyes here. I recall Mike Z saying that they were keeping the cast size down so that it would be easier to work on character balancing.RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Because gods forbid there's a broken character in a new fighting game...
Hmm speaking of broken stuff. Have you seen many Peacock/Double teams rolling around lately? I swear Double's super armoured assist (the one where she takes Cerebella's form and throws herself at you) just makes Peacock untouchable.SageRuffin said:
Maybe not "Overpowered" exactly... Just if you ever come up against that team Rushdown hard from the word go. Air dashing backwards at the start basically lost me the game DX
Though I destroyed the next Peacock purely because I was in super paranoid "No keepway for you!" mode.
Win some, lose some I suppose.
[sub]Probably lose if it involves Double though[/sub]
Haven't played online, and I won't be able to get a stable connection until I get back to my own place in late June (I refuse to use a wireless connection for a fighting game). Hell, I have yet to grab the character guide.The Wykydtron said:
Right now I'm thinking of using the team of Cerebella and Valentine. They're fun.
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll keep that in mind once I hit the sticks and throw down against others.
Oh, don't go to SRK either. Like I told the other guy/gal, you'll get cramps.
Oh Valentine is hella fun. Love how all her combos flow together all ninja-like... Though i'm forever trying to air dash in with her like i'm playing Filia. Her airdash is more of an escape tool... Funny how many people don't expect the standard dash/run across the screen into combo method. Maybe that's just because I stop trying to air dash and remember to use the ground dash like once every two games...SageRuffin said:Haven't played online, and I won't be able to get a stable connection until I get back to my own place in late June (I refuse to use a wireless connection for a fighting game). Hell, I have yet to grab the character guide.The Wykydtron said:
Right now I'm thinking of using the team of Cerebella and Valentine. They're fun.
Thanks for the heads-up. I'll keep that in mind once I hit the sticks and throw down against others.
Oh, don't go to SRK either. Like I told the other guy/gal, you'll get cramps.
I'll be damned if I have a nice word to say about Cerebella though. Command grabs man. Bloody command grabs.
What's up with all the complaining in this thread? >_>
Tried demo, did tutorials, beat arcade, liked the game, bought it, learned combos with Filia after about 40 minutes in training, went online, won some, lost some. Fun game.
Why does this have to contain complaining and overly-detailed explanations of what it is to play fighting games/do combos/whatever? Just play, win some, lose some, don't expect to be the shit in a game that is brand new and have damn fun people! XD
If anyone wants to try my Filia's stylish Miku Miku hair my psn is dreikoo and I also play Blazblue(Extned) and Arcana heart 3.
Tried demo, did tutorials, beat arcade, liked the game, bought it, learned combos with Filia after about 40 minutes in training, went online, won some, lost some. Fun game.
Why does this have to contain complaining and overly-detailed explanations of what it is to play fighting games/do combos/whatever? Just play, win some, lose some, don't expect to be the shit in a game that is brand new and have damn fun people! XD
If anyone wants to try my Filia's stylish Miku Miku hair my psn is dreikoo and I also play Blazblue(Extned) and Arcana heart 3.
Unfortunately dumbing down games to make them more accessible to bad players spawned things like input leniency in the SF4 series, which is probably one of the most disliked thing amongst the serious fighting game community.Syzygy23 said:
Fortunately most people that find it too hard to learn a couple combos will eventually drop the game after a few months and go on to another game, but unfortunately the relaxed input system where anyone can do a combo with no effort will be there forever.
It's essentially like saying you want to be really good at a shooter but you don't want to have to aim.
MK still has more extensive combos than what are listed and you still won't be able to compete if you don't learn mixups and midtrick and stuff. You'll just get a bit further ahead than you would in Guilty Gear, that's all. Me personally, I just hate the block button, I can't enjoy a game which has it.
Very true, but therein lies the problem. Actually working to be better at a game is something fighting game players are used to. We're used to probably getting are butts kicked multiple multiples of times before we really get a grip on what it takes to win consistently. People who are less interested in the genre, however, generally don't.Dreiko said:
Having to put in effort before you might even win a handful of matches is not something they want out of a game (and yet, right or wrong, they often expect the genre to bend it's conventions to suit them).
i dont like fighting games so theres no much for me in this title. art style is nice though. though sometime they should make a realistic fighting game, where girls with giant boobs have to stop halfway through the match because of their crippling back pain
StriderShinryu said:
Well, not everyone in the world needs to play fighting games, if someone doesn't enjoy the game I presume other activities would be preferable, at least compared to complaining here about it lol.
Played the demo. Didnt impress me much. Looks good but the demo controled rather stiff and it plays kinda slow.