'Slut' Parade

[JonnWood]

Dave Chappelle said it best.

Start at 4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNdfdQvdVc

Don't wear a prostitute's uniform and you won't be treated like a prostitute.

I'm afraid most prostitutes get paid. Rape victims on the other hand...

I'm sure we can all agree that when X calls Y a slut, it's because X is jealous. Nothing more, nothing less.

Or X is just trying to degrade Y, or thinks dressing in a certain manner is sinful, or...

 

[II2]

Looks like they've missed the point too.
There was a thread on a similar topic recently, so I'll just re-post what I put there for my thoughts on the topic:

A guy is walking through a rough neighbourhood waving a wad of cash around, and he gets mugged.
Now, obviously the one who mugged the guy is in the wrong 100%. That was illegal, and he should be punished.
And the guy should have the right to wave around money as much as he wants without fear of being attacked and robbed. But it's a naive and dangerous game to play. Ideally, I should be able to leave my doors unlocked, my keys in my car, and my money on my counter. But it's asking for trouble if I do any of those things.

Again, not my fault if someone robs me. I have the right to leave my door unlocked, my money out, and my keys in my car. But, at the risk of sounding redundant, it's dangerously naive to do any of those things.

To be brutally honest, I don't think rapists choose their victims based entirely on their clothes, do you?

They prey on the vulnerable members of society.

Absorb these posts. There is much truth in them.

In my own post on this subject when it was first rolled out, I shared some similar sentiments to the effect that (paraphrasing):

"How the victim (of rape) dresses is a factor that takes a back seat to factors such as opportunity, environment, uninhibited sense of impunity, etc."

We can all agree that people SHOULD be free to dress and go where they wish, when they wish without fear of assault, mugging, rape, murder etc.

However

We can all also agree, if we're being honest, that the world is not safe and caution is a virtue when you know there to be danger. That the danger SHOULD not EXIST is a reasonable desire, but I don't believe going to war over a single, prejorative word will make any significant difference in decreasing sexual criminal's behavior (rape) in society.

 

[AgentNein]

Meh. Women are so fucked up; I've long since given up listening to their nonsense.

Did you know that 25% of female rape victims had an orgasm during the rape? That's what I'm talking about..

Just curious as to what exactly you're trying to say here.

How on Earth are you not swearing at him? At the very least, he's earned some sardonicism.

Actually you should've seen the first few drafts of my response. They all evolved into nonsensical wailing and gnashing of teeth, and me hitting my keyboard.

 

[spacewalker]

how can they possibly be raped if they always say yes?

edit: thats how i interperated that slogan of theirs, and i feel it is sending a somewhat couterproductive message

 

[conflictofinterests]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

I don't know who said it, but this makes me recall something along the lines of "The people who need "thou shall not kill" clarified are never going to have that rule clarified quite enough." I'm fairly certain replacing "kill" with "rape" will produce a similarly true statement, which is to say, rapists gonna rape.

It's also about taking the hurtfulness out of the term, like a lot of minority groups are doing.

 

[JonnWood]

Meh. Women are so fucked up; I've long since given up listening to their nonsense.

Did you know that 25% of female rape victims had an orgasm during the rape? That's what I'm talking about.

And feminism! If feminism is about equality then why is it called feminism? I cannot take feminism seriously until they (a) change the name or (b) just admit that it's about female supremacy, not equality.

On topic: I don't condone rape under any circumstances, and I certainly don't want the western world to start behaving like Muslims and force their women to cover up, but women being labelled 'sluts' for how they dress? I actually kinda like that. It adds some counterbalance. Without it they'd be free to cock-tease us men to death.

Please tell me that you're trolling. Please. I don't think I can sleep easy tonight otherwise.

On an only slightly related note, I find it weird how everyone automatically seems to assume that women who dress up nicely do so solely in order to tease, attract or get the attention of men. What if I want to look good simply because it makes me feel good and gives me confidence in myself?

See? That's exactly what I'm talking about. You dress to kill because it makes you feel good and gives you confidence in yourself, and you don't even realise why it does! Sooo fucked up.

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

Yeah, it is amazing how the OP missed the point when starting a thread.
I fully support their movement. Gender equality should be encouraged. I call men who sleep around "man whores", anyway.

I meant of the article which he posted.

He is ignoring the fact that there is no proven correlation between provocative clothing and rape and insists that there is actually a problem with western society. I was addressing the article.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Goddamn feminists.
You're a "slut" = loose sexual morals = generally regarded as "dirty". Trying to make the word "slut" into something less offensive MIGHT work, but you'll always be a woman with loose sexual morals which is still regarded as something negative in society.
If you enjoy being a slut, fine. Then be a slut and be happy with it. This will more-than-likely not change a thing.

I also love how they argue against the negative term in regards to sex for work. That's called prostitution and it's illegal, ya "slut".

Did you read the article? It's not about the term, it's about a specific, high-profile use of the term.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Just curious as to what exactly you're trying to say here.

How on Earth are you not swearing at him? At the very least, he's earned some sardonicism.

Why? Because I didn't mince my words? If you disagree, how about offering a little more argument and a little less sneer? Okay, you can keep the sneer (I did, after all, word my post provocatively) but an argument would still be nice.

 

[WarpZone]

how can they possibly be raped if they always say yes?

Possibly the writer of the sign meant in general, as a policy. As opposed to saying "no" in general. Obviously "nice girls" don't say "no" 100% of the time either or else the human race would have gone extinct long ago.

 

[Liudeius]

I despise that 80-90% of girls are sluts, but if they want to be whores, that's their choice.
(Note I hate douchebags/manwhores too.)

 

[AgentNein]

Goddamn feminists.
You're a "slut" = loose sexual morals = generally regarded as "dirty". Trying to make the word "slut" into something less offensive MIGHT work, but you'll always be a woman with loose sexual morals which is still regarded as something negative in society.

Uhh, I think a big part of the point here is trying to reject societies backwards puritanical judgements on women and sex. So maybe one day it WON'T be a negative in society.

 

[JonnWood]

I think you've totally missed the point of the article, I support them on this. They should be able to choose how they dress without the worry of being raped.

I don't know who said it, but this makes me recall something along the lines of "The people who need "thou shall not kill" clarified are never going to have that rule clarified quite enough." I'm fairly certain replacing "kill" with "rape" will produce a similarly true statement, which is to say, rapists gonna rape.

It's also about taking the hurtfulness out of the term, like a lot of minority groups are doing.

Speaking as a member of one of said groups, who grew up in a country where said group was the majority, I don't see the point in bothering to "reclaim" a word at all. Instead of a new meaning, you almost always just end up with a double-standard. Woman calls another woman a "*****"? Fine. Gay man calls a woman a "*****"? Fine. Ostensibly straight man calls a woman a "*****"? Storm and thunder. Just stop using the word, and let the legacy of hate it's attached to die off.

 

[albinoterrorist]

It's not an either/or kinda thing. People derive different sorts of confidence from all sorts of things. Is it truly shallow to want to look in a mirror and say "hey I look pretty good today" and have that make you feel good? No.

No.

That's exactly why I deliberately added "physical appearance" as an example.

Thinking "hey, I look good" is a perfectly justifiable source of confidence.

Thinking "i only look good when i wear this exact outfit" is not.

Clothing was invented, first and foremost, for comfort and functionality.

Frankly, i'll be damned if i'm dragged into using it as a social tool too.

 

[Venereus]

I'm all up for women's rights though.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

You're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

 

[AgentNein]

I'm noting some missing logic here. Specifically, your implication that her self-worth is tied to an external appraisal of her looks, instead of an internal assessment, despite her statements to the contrary.

So you're saying that she (or anyone) would dress up even if nobody were there to see it?

So you're saying that if if a girl was lost at birth and raised by wolves in the wild, she'd still like to dress up (assuming she found some dresses lying around somewhere)?

A girl raised by wolves is free of a little thing that we like to call societal pressure.

 

[AgentNein]

It's not an either/or kinda thing. People derive different sorts of confidence from all sorts of things. Is it truly shallow to want to look in a mirror and say "hey I look pretty good today" and have that make you feel good? No.

No.

That's exactly why I deliberately added "physical appearance" as an example.

Thinking "hey, I look good" is a perfectly justifiable source of confidence.

Thinking "i only look good when i wear this exact outfit" is not.

Clothing was invented, first and foremost, for comfort and functionality.

Frankly, i'll be damned if i'm dragged into using it as a social tool too.

It is a societal tool though. Clothing was invented first and foremost for blah blah blah, that doesn't change how it's used today. In the here and now.

 

[razer17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013

So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?

Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?

I think you're missing the point. The point of these protests is that people still blame the victim in a lot of rape cases, and that women should have the right to wear what they want without being raped.

 

[Blayze2k]

Because dressing like a slut connotates promiscuity. I'm sure your reply will be something to the effect of challenging me over why promiscuity is a negative behaviour, so let me address that now: I see it as cheapening and devaluing relationships for all parties involved. Of course, people are free to act as they please, just as I'm free to think less of them for that.

Well then you'll understand if I think less of you for being judgmental.