'Slut' Parade
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I'm just pulling some random combination of letters out of my behind and seeing if it sticks.AgentNein said:
Actually, come to think of it I did read a couple of days ago some survey of convicted rapists and it indicated that most couldn't remember what their victim was wearing. I don't know if this was to do with the passing of time or it really just isn't important. Certainly some rapists use the "clothing" argument to try and justify their behaviour may just be the desperate clutching of straws.AgentNein said:
That said I don't think you can dismiss that the way dress plays a large part of people's perception. I myself dress in a suit and tie for my 9-5 work, but when I'm out I dress goth as I have for many years and the difference in the way random people treat me is night and day. I behave exactly the same no matter how I'm dressed, but if for example I'm in my suit people will hold the door for me and be polite. If I'm in my bondage pants, Demonia 16-ups, net long sleeve top under a black skull tank people can't close the door fast enough on me.
So I accept your point that dress may not be deciding factor in whether you're going to get raped or not, but it does affect people's perception of a person and their perception may lead them to believe certain things about that person that could be untrue; for example that they're always "up for it".
Oh I totally agree that how one dresses effects perceptions. I know allll about that. I think the problem I've got with how some people view the reasons for sexual assault is that there's this idea that it's an almost understandable (albeit extreme) response to stimuli such as how someone is dressing. And that crosses dangerously close to moralizing rape stories (little red should have been more mindful of what she was wearing and she might not have been bothered by the big bad), when in reality there's nothing really backing that up.Programmed_For_Damage said:
It's not that rapists don't make assumptions that she "wants it" or something like that, and clothing or make-up can be a part of how a target gets chosen.
...but you know what? There's a seriously wrong perception of what it means to be a "slut" if CLOTHING is likely to stand up in court because rapists are seen as inhuman balls of lust rather than a human culprit who knew exactly what they were doing, and their victim gets most of the blame. It's not just clothing, either... "she shouldn't have trusted him", "they were having sex and she changed her mind", "she shouldn't have been alone after dark"... the rapist's lawyer will come up with something, and it usually works.
What's the classic story about rape? Little Red Riding Hood, a story about how to avoid taking advice from strangers that could lead you into a trap (or I guess how to avoid dangerous animals if you take it literally). The antagonist is barely an antagonist at all rather than a natural force of nature. It's a wolf, an animal. That's how people see rapists and that's why they keep getting sent to rehabilitation centers rather than jail for a long, long time. In that story, it was really Little Red Riding Hood's fault because she was too naive, and not something that can happen anytime, anywhere, regardless of what you're wearing or where you go.
...but you know what? There's a seriously wrong perception of what it means to be a "slut" if CLOTHING is likely to stand up in court because rapists are seen as inhuman balls of lust rather than a human culprit who knew exactly what they were doing, and their victim gets most of the blame. It's not just clothing, either... "she shouldn't have trusted him", "they were having sex and she changed her mind", "she shouldn't have been alone after dark"... the rapist's lawyer will come up with something, and it usually works.
What's the classic story about rape? Little Red Riding Hood, a story about how to avoid taking advice from strangers that could lead you into a trap (or I guess how to avoid dangerous animals if you take it literally). The antagonist is barely an antagonist at all rather than a natural force of nature. It's a wolf, an animal. That's how people see rapists and that's why they keep getting sent to rehabilitation centers rather than jail for a long, long time. In that story, it was really Little Red Riding Hood's fault because she was too naive, and not something that can happen anytime, anywhere, regardless of what you're wearing or where you go.
Well, it's like I don't think men should have long hair. But I'm not going to make it illegal.Hive Mind said:"Rape is considered a 'crime of youth,' where fifty to sixty-three percent of reported rapes were of women under age 18, while sixteen to twenty-nine percent were under age 12." (Greenberg, Bruess and Haffner, 572; Lips, 233)Justforonething said:If you source this, I may believe you.Hive Mind said:Statistics vary, but most agree that somewhere around 50% of rapes are upon children. Of the rapes upon adults, only about 11% are committed by strangers. The remaining 39% are committed by family and friends of the victim. Study after study have shown and all psychologists agree that not only does rape have nothing to do with sex, physical attractiveness has nothing to do with it.Justforonething said:No? Prove me otherwise. As I understand rape, it's forceful sex. Rapists tend to be people of a certain character, or possess mental illness in some way. They are triggered, and to many, provocative dress is the trigger. Not always.Hive Mind said:Yeeaaahhh. That's not how rape works; a rapist doesn't just see a pretty girl and decide to rape her.Justforonething said:No, but rapists ARE.Char-Nobyl said:Way to completely miss the point, OP.TB_Infidel said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13333013
So these women are proud of being sluts, think that there is nothing wrong with acting in that way, and rather then listening to advice on how to avoid rape, they want to protest?
Does anyone else find this type of behavior ridiculous and shows how warped/hedonistic parts of Western society is becoming?
They're protesting a Canadian police officer essentially saying that rapes happen because women dress like "sluts." Apparently, males are barely-restrained rape machines with the vision of Tyrannosaurus, except instead of being sensitive to movement, we're sensitive to miniskirts.
Men are not. Rapists, who are often men, evidently do not have the same degree of self control as most men. It's like a soldier dressing like a soldier when there are snipers around. If you don't want to get shot, take off the uniform.
Nice try, though?
Still don't think women should dress like that though.
"Seventy-four percent of females under age 14 who have had 'sexual relations' are survivors of rape." (Greenberg, Bruess and Haffner, 572)
"Females ages 16-24 have the highest likelihood of rape - two to three times higher." (Norment, 152; Rathus, Nevid and Fichner-Rathus, 565)
"Teens 16 to 19 were three and one-half times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault." (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
"According to the Justice Department, one in two rape victims is under age 18; one in six is under age 12." (Child Rape Victims, 1992. U.S. Department of Justice.)
One quarter of rapes in the U.S are committed by a stranger (US Bureau of Justice Statistics)
I don't know why you feel women should not wear the clothes they like because you don't like them and see them as sexual, but that is your opinion.
I think a lot of people are missing the point of the protest here.
It's not so much 'I can wear a fucking belt for a skirt if I like and don't you dare look at me, nyer nyer nyer', it's more to point out that things like dressing 'provocatively' (whatever your own personal definition of that may be) should NEVER hold up in anyones eyes (especially the legal system's) as an excuse for rape, and the fact that you have a POLICE OFFICER stating agreement with the 'I couldn't help myself your honour, she was asking for it with the way she was dressed' point of view, something is seriously fucking wrong.
Attitudes like this are the reason so few rape cases are even reported in the first place. There's enough shame and trauma involved without feeling like even the law will tell you it's your own fault, and it reeks of disgusting victim-blaming.
Frankly, men should probably be just as offended by the notion that people think they're slobbering beasts unable to hold their desires in check if they see so much as a bared midriff.
It's not so much 'I can wear a fucking belt for a skirt if I like and don't you dare look at me, nyer nyer nyer', it's more to point out that things like dressing 'provocatively' (whatever your own personal definition of that may be) should NEVER hold up in anyones eyes (especially the legal system's) as an excuse for rape, and the fact that you have a POLICE OFFICER stating agreement with the 'I couldn't help myself your honour, she was asking for it with the way she was dressed' point of view, something is seriously fucking wrong.
Attitudes like this are the reason so few rape cases are even reported in the first place. There's enough shame and trauma involved without feeling like even the law will tell you it's your own fault, and it reeks of disgusting victim-blaming.
Frankly, men should probably be just as offended by the notion that people think they're slobbering beasts unable to hold their desires in check if they see so much as a bared midriff.
Oh for fuck's....
A woman is free to dress how she chooses, and at no point should that ever be accepted as a cause for sexual assault or harrassment. Even if it's nothing but a t-shirt with the words 'Insert penis here' and an arrow pointing downwards.
Any contrary opinion is base stupidity without justification. I really wish people would grow the fuck up. Believe it or not, boys, men can think with the head above their neck. I know many of you find that so hard a concept to grasp, the idea that your penis is not in fact your central processor, but eventually you'll learn to understand it.
I do not approve of women who dress in a way that they can not carry off because it's quite repulsive, and if I disapprove of the way a girl it's dressed it's in the same vein I disapprove of the way a guy is dressed - I don't like the fashion. Utilising the cognitive processes formed in our species over billions of years of evolution I've learned that no matter how a woman dresses it never, at any point, will cause a man to rape her.
What will cause a man to rape is sexual repression or fucked up mental attitudes. Rape will still happen irrespective of how women are dressed, and the pathetic inhuman attitudes that blame the victim are nothing short of wilful, base ignorance from freshly squeezed dog shit.
TL;DR
Shut the fuck up about how women are dressed. It's their right. If you can't help but rape a woman, you and you alone are the problem.
A woman is free to dress how she chooses, and at no point should that ever be accepted as a cause for sexual assault or harrassment. Even if it's nothing but a t-shirt with the words 'Insert penis here' and an arrow pointing downwards.
Any contrary opinion is base stupidity without justification. I really wish people would grow the fuck up. Believe it or not, boys, men can think with the head above their neck. I know many of you find that so hard a concept to grasp, the idea that your penis is not in fact your central processor, but eventually you'll learn to understand it.
I do not approve of women who dress in a way that they can not carry off because it's quite repulsive, and if I disapprove of the way a girl it's dressed it's in the same vein I disapprove of the way a guy is dressed - I don't like the fashion. Utilising the cognitive processes formed in our species over billions of years of evolution I've learned that no matter how a woman dresses it never, at any point, will cause a man to rape her.
What will cause a man to rape is sexual repression or fucked up mental attitudes. Rape will still happen irrespective of how women are dressed, and the pathetic inhuman attitudes that blame the victim are nothing short of wilful, base ignorance from freshly squeezed dog shit.
TL;DR
Shut the fuck up about how women are dressed. It's their right. If you can't help but rape a woman, you and you alone are the problem.
Decent idea bur the execution went a wee bit sideways. Using the word "slut" which holds varying meanings between individuals was quite the miss, in my opinion.
While scantly clad women shouldn't be seen as individuals who want the get laid all the time, they rather should be seen as people with a hunger for attention, that's why they dress like they do, attention. The excuse that a certain dressing style warrants rape is just silly and stupid. As said, unless they are prostitues they just want to be considered eye candy, get attention, not intercourse.
While scantly clad women shouldn't be seen as individuals who want the get laid all the time, they rather should be seen as people with a hunger for attention, that's why they dress like they do, attention. The excuse that a certain dressing style warrants rape is just silly and stupid. As said, unless they are prostitues they just want to be considered eye candy, get attention, not intercourse.
There's nothing wrong with being proud of being able to pick up easy but being proud of being a slut? That's just pathetic. I don't care if you're male or female, if you're a slut I have no respect for you because you clearly have no respect for yourself.