Sniping is officially WORTHLESS in Black Ops

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JourneyThroughHell

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It's not balance. Nothing close. Snipers shouldn't be this competitive in short ranges.

And yet they are with this improbable, unseen, weird tactic.

If you want to quick-scope, go play some CoD 2, that game is absolutely infested with quick-scopers now.
 

hyperdrachen

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ecoho said:
Ok im with you thats BS not so much with quick scopeing but if i sit for a few hours in a nice perch and i cant head shot effectivly im screwed. BTW to all of you who might say this is "realistic" its not, in real life no matter how long you have the scope up the bullet will go were you point your weapon (assumeing of corse your scope is properly mounted and allighned as any millitary scope would)
Go find a scoped rifle, and in the span of .2 seconds, bring the scope to your eye and make an accurate shot. Come back and tell me how accurate you think a shot you made after smashing the scope into your face should be.
 

Aurora219

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SODAssault said:
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SODAssault said:
Good riddance. Do you know how many times I've been one-shotted by an M40+ACOG at point blank range today before I could get a second shot off with my MP5? Today alone, it's been somewhere between ten and fifteen. Oh, and let me preempt the "lrn2play": I average around 30-10 per game, regardless of play mode. Quick-scoping is bullshit, it breaks the balance of the game by giving a player the ability to score a one-hit-kill at any range without having to aim for the head.
Quickscopers don't go 30-10 so what are you complaining about? Nothing wrong with quickscoping since it takes aim and skill, the aim assist is poorly coded. Isn't giving snipers the ability to kill at close range in one hit part of making it balanced? Because if you it took more than one shot or a head shot (that would just take too much skill) to kill, then a sniper has no chance up close against an automatic gun.
Two words, and listen carefully:
-Sidearm
-Overkill

Those were put in the game to give snipers a chance at close range, and I think even that's a bit too much of a concession. See, there's such a thing as a tradeoff: a guy with a shotgun can nail you in one shot at close range, but it only shoots so far, and he's at the mercy of everyone carrying a weapon with a rifled barrel; he has a maximum range of usefulness, and he willingly accepts that in exchange for the hell he can raise in a building. A guy with an assault rifle is going to be okay at any range, but will only dominate at intermediate ranges; he's still vulnerable to SMGs and shotguns up close, and vulnerable to snipers at a distance. A guy with an LMG is going to be slow and ponderous, and will make an easy target when doing anything other than squeezing the crap out of the trigger. A guy with a sub-machine gun will be fast, agile, and very good in close quarters, like the shotgunner, and while able to kill enemies at a distance, he'll generally be shit at it and will probably need his enemy to be so interested in whatever's in his scope that he won't notice the 9mm bullets plunking into him one by one; he'll also still get owned by the shotgunner up close.

A sniper, on the other hand, can nail you from across the map, but instead of being the polar opposite of the shotgunner, he can kill you in one shot at any range while jumping around like a lunatic. Tell me, where's the tradeoff? Where's the penalty for being able to reach out and touch someone at ranges where the damage dropoff on assault rifles causes kills to require a third of a magazines? There isn't one, and that's why it's bollocks.
Sir, you give me hope for the FPS market. I'm glad there's still common sense out there.

I am getting tired of people picking one strategy and then complaining when it doesn't work.
 

AugustFall

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It's not about realism, it's about balance issues.


A weapon that's a 1 shot kill long and short range should not exist in a balanced game.
 

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Flauros said:
Well, time to learn patience then. Like a sniper.
I think this is OP's problem here... He doesn't want his beloved sniping to be nerfed in favor of boosting his stats like it would in MW2 or Halo.

Maybe if someone watches and sees how snipers REALLY do their work, you'd know that they'd be sitting there looking at their scope for any given length of time as soon as they spot their target, and not just pop the scope at their eyeball and pull the trigger.

MrDeckard said:
OH GOD NO!!!!!!

Are you saying that sniper rifles will now have to be used......... AS SNIPER RIFLES???

What is the world coming to.
gritty, and grimey realism... the kind in which we can't distinguish from fantasy and reality... the kind of world that believes that video games are training people to be cold-blooded killers. *gets dragged away in a straight jacket*

OT of this quote: I think this is what Treyarch was hoping to do after observing how things worked on MW2 and hearing how people ***** about quickscoping. I hate seeing it happen on the kill cam (even epsecially when it's the winning killcam. EVERYONE ELSE always bitches about it), so whatever. now we need to be better at hiding ourselves and shooting people in order to be ab good sniper in Black Ops. I have faith in the FPS genre after all...
 

The Evil Foxy

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About damn time if you ask me. Enough annoying bush-sitters in shooter games already without assault snipers.

Personally, I'd really like to see a sniper-less FPS.
 

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they should make it so that if you move and zoom, you get to eat sh*t as a sniper, but when lying perfectly still, you can get (more) accurate shots
or else campers will have advantages VS snipers who just went to their campy spot, and can't shoot for 2 seconds, resulting in a bad case of DEADZ
 

Bigsmith

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Its not worthless, its just you have to snipe properly. You know, like in team fortress two.

I alway face palm at people who gush over quick scoping, thats why I never touch these games. Maybe I'll consider ggoing online on a friends now, then maybe I'll consider getting the game... wow did i just say I may get one of these games, what is this world coming to.
 

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VanityGirl said:
Is it just me, or did the guy in that video sound like a whiny little *****?
"Waah quick scoping is worthless now! Waaaaaaah!"

Black Ops keeps sounding better and better.
Totaly agree, as I belive I have already said. It may contemplate getting this game.
 

cjbos81

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This whole argument is one of the reasons I avoid online multiplayer as much as possible.
 

Jodah

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Before I even opened this thread I knew it was going to be a QQ about not being able to quickscope. Welcome to actual sniping, it takes patience.
 

Skeleton Jelly

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So you're mad because the Devs want the sniper rifle to be a sniper rifle?
Yeah, I'd rather have the Sniper a Long Range weapon, not Mid-Close. You know, kinda like how snipers are actually used.

And exactly what the hell is not cheap about 1 shot kills that are pretty easy to pull off?
 

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Bigsmith said:
VanityGirl said:
Is it just me, or did the guy in that video sound like a whiny little *****?
"Waah quick scoping is worthless now! Waaaaaaah!"

Black Ops keeps sounding better and better.
Totaly agree, as I belive I have already said. It may contemplate getting this game.
I didn't see where you posted that. But kudos.

I could quickscope in MW2, so I think it is WAY to easy to do. I like having to actually PLAY like a sniper.
 

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We are so accustomed to snipers being grossly overpowered that we don't even notice it any more. In many games, the sniper is the best weapon for each and every engagement. Picking another weapon simply makes time for your enemy to one-hit-kill you from all ranges. I find these changes to sniping quite welcome. They will not kill sniping, they will bring sniping back into the flow of the game. Sorry to everyone who's pissed off because they can't continue laming a cheap weapon. I'm sure you'll find another broken weapon or trait to boost your k/d spread.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
b3nn3tt said:
So it's not actually worthless, it's just going to be more realistic? I'm pretty sure that in real life snipers don't go around quickscoping
CoD isn't trying to be a realistic game.
I laughed so hard at this.

Personally I hate quickscoping, and this 2 or 3 second delay thing, suits exaclt how I snipe.
 

mParadox

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So the game is more realistic? \m/(O_O)\m/

But I'll wait for the reviews to see if it's worth the moolah.
 

crimson5pheonix

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What you're saying is "tey rooined mah SNIPERING!"
What I'm hearing is "WAAAAAAAH, I HAS NO SKILLZ!"
This is not necessarily a bad thing. And anything that can stir up this kind of controversy is automatically aces with me.