So apparently Edge magazine gave The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings 06/10

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lacktheknack said:
The complex menu system? A selling point to people who... like complex menus (I don't know what to call them but I'm one of them).
I use menuites (pronounced men-yites, the u makes a y sound). I'm one too though I'm not an RPG fan. I like them in my strategy games and such though. Always a fan of options.

OT: Never played the game and I don't think I ever will but its one bad score (average actually) from a less known source. They can have different opinions and its not the end of the world. Reviews are always subjective, its how they work.
 

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Oh no! An opinion that differs from yours!
Everybody run!!

But seriously, if you disagree with it, just ignore it and be thankful that YOU enjoy the game.
 

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Webb5432 said:
And?

I'm going to call you on this: you are biased. Chill out. We all are. So, that site is biased towards xbox and nintendo, you say. Okay. And?

You're trolling, dude. And to a strong degree, so am I. That is that site's opinion. Big deal. Zero Punctuation is my favourite game review show but I don't always agree with what he says. He enjoyed H.A.W.X, well I didn't. He disliked Uncharted 2, I actually enjoyed it. I haven't played it in a while, but I did ply it all the way through.

This stuff is opinion. If you want unbiased head to Metacritic. All they do is take the average rating of a game from multiple sites. If that's not unbiased, I don't know what is.
Nah. Scores are just as much opinion. Theres no science to lapping a number onto your experience wit a game. The Metacritic average score is pretty much just opinion stew
 

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Mumrik said:
You played it for 20 minutes and are suddenly more qualified to review the game than a reviewer who played through it?

Why don't you stay quiet until you've actually played a significant portion of the game in question?

You kinda suck man...
GOD DAMN YOU I HATE SAMMY L STARING INTO MY SOUL!

OT: Opinions all around.
 

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I agree with 6/10. It's a game with a lot of flaws and bad design decisions. It's got great atmosphere and story, and not a lot else going for it in my opinion.

Oh, and it's fucking beautiful.
 

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As long as the user scores are still high (unlike a certain other game set in dark fantasy), I will not give a fuck.
 

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Ugh. The opening post is such a mess that I've felt the need to clear up some points for the obviously uninformed.

ozan192 said:
Before anyone starts crying about people having different opinions, I just want to say that I respect a contrasting opinion.
First of all, opening a thread by attaching a boilerplate statement to it that describes anyone with the sheer nerve to not agree with you as someone "crying" does your argument no favours whatsoever. It only serves to throw up a big red flashing "Brace yourself, this is going to be full of that which is unjustifiable" sign. The two parts of that sentence are completely in contradiction with one another.


ozan192 said:
But this right here is just stupid. Having played this game for only 20 mins at a friends house halfway through the story I can honestly say its amazing.
Swap the order of those two sentences around and you've got a pretty accurate description of how your attitude towards this comes across. What you consider "amazing" might not be what everyone else considers "amazing", but it's difficult for anyone to really tell, because you offer no justification for that statement. You don't comment at all on what it is that's so enthralled you for those twenty whole minutes. No commentary on control set-up, plot, dialogue, quality of voice-acting, music, etc. We are supposedly to just take your word for it. Sorry, no dice. Whatever it it was that captivated you for that stretch of time might have seemed to someone else as twenty minutes of excruciating mediocrity or outright terribleness that they'll never get back.


ozan192 said:
Every other magazine/reviewer has given this game amazing scores.
No, they haven't. Only the ones you've chosen to read. There have been many legitimate complaints about several aspects of this particular game, from the bug-ridden state of it's release, to design issues like an overly harsh initial combat phase where you lack the appropriate skillset to deal with it at that point in the game, not to mention that some parts are barely more than an interactive movie with incongruous sounding dialogue, and the loot system is seemingly quite arbitrary.
Releasing a patch to improve framerate by promises of "up to 30%" should tell you something about the quality of pre-release testing. That it was originally released with no option to invert the mouse was a terrible oversight, and yes, patching may have fixed that, but they've even managed to make a mess of the patching itself, with Steam users being forced to repeatedly download the entire game again. And don't even get me started on the DRM, as that's a whole other messy dicussion.

Incidentally, you won't find that every review even gets aggragated into something like Metacritic, as not all reviewers choose to go down the route of awarding scores at all. Because, you know, they don't have to. Rock, Paper, Shotgun for instance, do not. So that is at least one extremely well written review that takes a balanced view of the game that you won't have been familiar with. Not to mention the fact that Witcher 2 fans seem to have the same kind of hive mentality that gave rise to the Darkfall/Eurogamer debacle, seeming determined to take issue with ANY form of criticism of their baby as though they were waging some sort of holy crusade. You need only turn to The Escapists' very own Zero Punctuation for the evidence of that. Look at the number of comments that video received in comparison with. The number is currently approaching 700 at time of writing this, while others have yet to break the 200 mark. It's frankly ridiculous to adopt the attitude that simply shouting louder and longer than others will provide you victory when they get tired of listening to you rant and walk away to do something more interesting.

And here I feel the need to quote the closing words of that aforementioned review by Rock, Paper, Shotgun;
The Witcher 2 is flawed in some ways, and a paragon in others. I cannot recommend everyone play it, because it simply won?t satisfy everyone in the same way, and will frustrate and off-put many with its bizarre little quirks of difficulty and moments of poor design. But I will recommend everyone buy it, because I want to play another one. And another one. And many more after that."


ozan192 said:
Barack Obama recieved this game as a gift
I once received a terrible looking sweater as a gift. It didn't make the product in any way desirable, or decently constructed. Also, I have yet to see Barack Obama post a review of the game. Has he even played it?


ozan192 said:
and yet this Edge gave it a 06/10.
From the way you use the words "This Edge", I can infer that you've never heard of the magazine in question before. For the record, they have been publishing for over 18 years now. Given the tone of your writing, it seems they have been around since before you were conceived. In those 18 years of operation, they have only ever seen fit to award a 10/10 score to 13 games. Only once has a game been awarded a 1/10 score by them. The magazine is recognised as being a quality one, in terms of both design, content and editorial stance. Many have attempted to emulate their style, few having managed it. (Games?, I'm looking in your direction.) They are one of the very few quality gaming media outlets I would choose to put any faith in. I may not always blindly agree with everything that they publish, but statistically speaking, they are ahead of a very selective curve.

Oh, and Edge Magazine in conjunction with their owner Future Publishing, have just pretty much entirely dismantled in court the nefarious works of one Tim Langdell. If you aren't familiar with that story, please, use Google the way it was meant to be used, and rejoice at what they accomplished for The Greater Good.


ozan192 said:
I now officially know that they are just a buch of Nintendo and X-box nerds.
You don't "officially" know anything. You could not be more wrong, what with your complete lack of any research on the subject, and the manner in which you made a conscious choice to leave out other manufacturers from that wholly unjustifiable labelling speaks volumes by its' absence. Which you then continue with;


ozan192 said:
Here is a prediction of their scores for upcoming games

The next Mario game - (10/10)
Halo 4-(9/10)
Gears 3-(9/10)
Uncharted 3-(09/10)
Resistance 3-(04/10)
Anything Nintendo-(x>8/10)
Next Metal Gear-(09/10)-Because it's not a PS3 exclusive anymore. If it was then (07/10)
You don't get to pull "predictions" out of your ass and couch it as though it were fact. If the religious doomsayers, the weather forecast, the psychic hotlines and the horoscope writers can't do that with any measurable success, then what hope is there for an anonymous non-entity like yourself to be able to pull off that kind of stunt?

Why you seem to want to infer that Edge are biased towards Sony is something of a mystery as well, especially given the fact that The Witcher 2 is, for the moment, a PC exclusive.


ozan192 said:
Yeah, I went that extra mile on this one.
I have no idea what this sentence is even in reference to.


ozan192 said:
Before anyone bitches about me being biased I should say that I have all the next gen consoles so I dont actually need to be a fanboy.
You don't have to "*****" to point out demonstrable fact using cold hard logic. While you may not feel that you need to be fanboy, what you've written fails the test. By a long way.
 

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Stop caring about what other people think, if you enjoy the game then what does it matter what one fucking reviewer gives a game?
 

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ozan192 said:
Before anyone starts crying about people having different opinions, I just want to say that I respect a contrasting opinion. But this right here is just stupid. Having played this game for only 20 mins at a friends house halfway through the story I can honestly say its amazing. Every other magazine/reviewer has given this game amazing scores. Barack Obama recieved this game as a gift and yet this Edge gave it a 06/10. I now officially know that they are just a buch of Nintendo and X-box nerds.

Here is a prediction of their scores for upcoming games

The next Mario game - (10/10)
Halo 4-(9/10)
Gears 3-(9/10)
Uncharted 3-(09/10)
Resistance 3-(04/10)
Anything Nintendo-(x>8/10)
Next Metal Gear-(09/10)-Because it's not a PS3 exclusive anymore. If it was then (07/10)

Yeah, I went that extra mile on this one.

Before anyone bitches about me being biased I should say that I have all the next gen consoles so I dont actually need to be a fanboy.
I'm a little confused because I'm pretty sure The Witcher 2 is a 360 game, so by your logic they should have given it a high score.
It will be, but it isn't yet and wasn't announced to be until I little while after it's release.

OP: Disregarding what's already been said, what, pray tell, did you hope to accomplish by posting this thread?, it's not gonna change anyone's minds, it's not gonna get you any agreements, and nobody's opinion is going to make The Witcher 2(Really, REALLY good, but not quite great, 8.9 IMO, for the record) any better or worse
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Do you have any actual issues with the review? Claims that they make which counter your own experience? In other words, is there anything in the review - besides the score - that you can point to and say "No, this is wrong?" Or are you really, truly, just saying that you had fun for 20 minutes in the middle of the game, therefore Edge is biased?
I really wish the Escapist would do away with the score system, like these guys. By now, a score system is utterly meaningless, especially when people (like the OP) draw conclusions from the numbers alone instead of reading the whole review.
 

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ozan192 said:
No offense OP, but... why do you care so much? If you enjoyed the game, isn't that what you bought it for? Do you really need your experience to be validated by every single authority on a topic? Doesn't that make you a little pathetic?

Also, you're jump from Mediocre Review of Some Game--->PC Hate/Console Elitism seems like a bit much, but others have covered that and due to the points I made above, it shouldn't really matter anyway.

My advice OP: Play what you enjoy playing, and dont care what others say about it. Works well for life too.
 

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i honestly thought witcher 2 was average as all hell, was bored to tears and had to force myself to continue playing it, so i personaly think the 6/10 is accurate if not generous.. everyone has different opinions though.
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Susan Arendt said:
Do you have any actual issues with the review? Claims that they make which counter your own experience? In other words, is there anything in the review - besides the score - that you can point to and say "No, this is wrong?" Or are you really, truly, just saying that you had fun for 20 minutes in the middle of the game, therefore Edge is biased?
I really wish the Escapist would do away with the score system, like these guys. By now, a score system is utterly meaningless, especially when people (like the OP) draw conclusions from the numbers alone instead of reading the whole review.
I completely understand what you're saying - but sometimes I don't have time to read a long in-depth review and prefer a summing-up statement and a number out of 10.

I usually have expectations regarding games, so when a game recieves a) a score I'm not expecting or b) a very high score, then I might read it in more detail. I find scores in particular are excellent for skimming through a review.

I find a good strategy is too find the worst and best 'score' reviews for a game and read their opinions, and then read the opinion of a publication whose view you feel an affinity to see whether it really would be to your tastes or not.
 

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ozan192 said:
Before anyone starts crying about people having different opinions, I just want to say that I respect a contrasting opinion.
While I'd like to believe we're going to have an open dialog about this, I suspect this conversation will quickly fall into some terrible pit of fallacy at any moment.

ozan192 said:
But this right here is just stupid.
Not starting off terribly well I'd say as we've already moved to unsupported vitriol.

ozan192 said:
Having played this game for only 20 mins at a friends house halfway through the story I can honestly say its amazing.
So you openly admit that your experience with the game is a brief glimpse at the middle of the title? Strange that you would reveal this card as it makes it difficult to take your opinion on the entirety of the product (rather than a single tiny slice of an epic) seriously.

ozan192 said:
Every other magazine/reviewer has given this game amazing scores.
It has generally been favorably reviewed, yes, but it was far from unanimous. The Escapist rewarded it with 3.5/5 stars, a score only marginally better than the one given by edge or Destructiod. It was a somewhat divisive game with most recognizing the brilliant moments but some unwilling to give the game a free pass on any of the questionable design decisions and bugs present in the game.

ozan192 said:
Barack Obama recieved this game as a gift and yet this Edge gave it a 06/10.
That offers no support of anything relevant to this discussion. I once handed out copies of Daikatana to my closest friends one year as a surprise gift knowing it was the gamer equivalent of a wretched fruitcake. I also used to hand out crowbars spray painted gold to people who had earned a key to the city from some trivial accomplishment or another. Without context does either gift tell you anything? Do you really think the President is going to spend the time to play the game?

ozan192 said:
I now officially know that they are just a buch of Nintendo and X-box nerds.
Well, I seem to have predicted this correctly as we have fallen into the fallacy pit already.

ozan192 said:
Here is a prediction of their scores for upcoming games

The next Mario game - (10/10)
Halo 4-(9/10)
Gears 3-(9/10)
Uncharted 3-(09/10)
Resistance 3-(04/10)
Anything Nintendo-(x>8/10)
Next Metal Gear-(09/10)-Because it's not a PS3 exclusive anymore. If it was then (07/10)
If you want to jump direct to the baseless projections that's all well and good, but if you want to make a point perhaps I could trouble you to actually put some effort in before jumping to conclusions? For the sake of discussion of course.

Also, I hate to point out you undermine your own argument when you give Uncharted a 9/10 when it is a Playstation exclusive.

ozan192 said:
Before anyone bitches about me being biased I should say that I have all the next gen consoles so I dont actually need to be a fanboy.
I hate to break it to you but you are biased. Everyone is. I hate Final Fantasy for example but that doesn't mean it is a bad game; simply that in order for me to even consider purchasing a title in the franchise I'll have to be presented with a stack of compelling evidence I wouldn't ask of Skyrim. I also loved the Witcher 2 but am secure enough in my own opinion to recognize that the game sported a great many flaws and that these are certainly sufficient cause for someone to dislike the game. What I try to refrain from is delivering unsupported accusations of platform favoritism in an attempt to undermine the argument of an entirely different point.
 
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The-Epicly-Named-Man said:
Maybe he is a fanboy (although I doubt it though as he says he doesnt own the game yet), but he still has a point about Edge being sh*t....
Just jumping into this topic here, but just to satisfy my curiosity, care to elaborate on that point in bold? If you feel that strongly about it, I'm sure you have some fascinating & robust evidence to back up your claim.
Dude it's just opinion, I generally disagree with their reviews, that's about all the evidence I have. And I know that's probably not enough for you.
 

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where I live it's the opposite, all the gaming magazines are filled with Sony fanboys