So Bin Laden is Dead, what now?

[Calbeck]

The guy's dead, Obama gets due credit, and otherwise the entire world will go right on completely missing why we've been in Afghanistan all this time DESPITE an official previous proclamation that we weren't there just to nail bin Laden.

Hint: it's about whacking the Taliban as a whole. And hopefully stabilizing Afghanistan, like we SHOULD have done in the Reagan Era when we helped drive out the Russians and then left the huge political vaccum that the Taliban then built itself up to take over in the first place.

So this remains our mess and we remain committed to cleaning it up. Amazing how many people want us to repeat Reagan's mistake.

 

[andeve3]

I do not see any reason why this is going to change anything, the best thing that could come out of this would be a schism within al qaida as they try to establish a new authority figure.

The people celebrating his death as if it were the goal of the war on Islamic extremism are, in my opinion, completely missing the point. He is now just as much of an icon, if not more as a result of him becoming a martyr. The ideas and methods he represented and employed are not going to disappear along with his consciousness.

 

[Ice Car]

OT: This is not a major victory. This will just bring more shit down upon our heads. They WILL retaliate to Osama's death, I highly doubt they won't.

Oh no, what on earth would we do if Al Quaeda started acting crazy?

They were already fanataical, this doesn't strengthen. If anything, it proves their "strong, courageous leader" isn't immune to bullets either. Their command chain is in tatters, their resources are shot, I will fucking garuntee that in addition to the body they could track a large number of people from the info in the compound they were living in, and there is no way this could make Al Quaeda more crazy, cause they were already at peak crazy.

I'm not going to deny the possibility of Osama's death provoking another attack against the US, possibly on US soil. Despite the chances of such an attack succeeding with their current resources.

 

[Akalistos]

OT: This is not a major victory. This will just bring more shit down upon our heads. They WILL retaliate to Osama's death, I highly doubt they won't.

Doesn't matter, they were fighting a losing battle from the start. All they can do is delay the inevitable, there's not even a .0001% chance they could win.

I didn't say they have a chance of winning. I'm saying there's a high chance of some kind of attack against Americans or possibly on US soil again.

Well, even so. While our numbers grow as well as our strength, their numbers only diminish. Especially when you consider their main method of attack is suicide. At some point they will lack the numbers to do much of anything. It's only a question of when in the future that will be.

Yeah, can you wrote that thing down on the monument that you (American) build in place of the world trade center. Also, tell their family that those who perish was just collateral damage. Don't tell me that's not what you meant when you clearly brush off the lost in terrorist attack (not just 911... i think they tried the truck bomb trick a couple of time before). So really, when he said shit gonna fly, shit's gonna fly and if your the first one to get hit directly or indirectly, you'll probably sing the same tune as this guy.

 

[TheMariner]

We hunker down for the inevitable counterattack. And trust me, it's coming. There's no way they'll take this sitting down, whether bin Laden was a figurehead or not.

 

[Eri]

OT: This is not a major victory. This will just bring more shit down upon our heads. They WILL retaliate to Osama's death, I highly doubt they won't.

Doesn't matter, they were fighting a losing battle from the start. All they can do is delay the inevitable, there's not even a .0001% chance they could win.

I didn't say they have a chance of winning. I'm saying there's a high chance of some kind of attack against Americans or possibly on US soil again.

Well, even so. While our numbers grow as well as our strength, their numbers only diminish. Especially when you consider their main method of attack is suicide. At some point they will lack the numbers to do much of anything. It's only a question of when in the future that will be.

Yeah, can you wrote that thing down on the monument that you (American) build in place of the world trade center. Also, tell their family that those who perish was just collateral damage. Don't tell me that's not what you meant when you clearly brush off the lost in terrorist attack (not just 911... i think they tried the truck bomb trick a couple of time before). So really, when he said shit gonna fly, shit's gonna fly and if your the first one to get hit directly or indirectly, you'll probably sing the same tune as this guy.

Don't put words in my mouth. What I said has nothing to even do with the people who died to 9/11.

 

[Akalistos]

Short term, probably not.
Long term, I think we may have just kicked a hornets nest...

Like making the guy a Martyr for them to rebuild the cause for example. Because, really, they needed a figure to follow in death now.

Question - from who? Whose gonna follow them now? Bin Ladens charisma was one of their last bankable resources.

Like nobody follow a guy with a nice smile to death or rage war in his name century after his demise. Yes, I'm taking about Jesus Christ and why yes, I just made a parallel with Christianity.

Can I have my cookie now?

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Yeah, my friends and I saw crowds of people cheering, and we started talking about how it's wrong to cheer for someone's death, no matter who it is. Just because he's your enemy, that doesn't mean that he didn't deserve some basic human dignity.

 

[Atheist.]

Just saw the news, Bin Laden is dead, check any news channel, its true. So, what now, will the US pull out? or what?

We do what we do best, celebrate.
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This video is exactly what I thought of when I read that.

On topic, I doubt we'll pull out. We're notorious for staying longer than welcome.

 

[Akalistos]

OT: This is not a major victory. This will just bring more shit down upon our heads. They WILL retaliate to Osama's death, I highly doubt they won't.

Doesn't matter, they were fighting a losing battle from the start. All they can do is delay the inevitable, there's not even a .0001% chance they could win.

I didn't say they have a chance of winning. I'm saying there's a high chance of some kind of attack against Americans or possibly on US soil again.

Well, even so. While our numbers grow as well as our strength, their numbers only diminish. Especially when you consider their main method of attack is suicide. At some point they will lack the numbers to do much of anything. It's only a question of when in the future that will be.

Yeah, can you wrote that thing down on the monument that you (American) build in place of the world trade center. Also, tell their family that those who perish was just collateral damage. Don't tell me that's not what you meant when you clearly brush off the lost in terrorist attack (not just 911... i think they tried the truck bomb trick a couple of time before). So really, when he said shit gonna fly, shit's gonna fly and if your the first one to get hit directly or indirectly, you'll probably sing the same tune as this guy.

Don't put words in my mouth. What I said has nothing to even do with the people who died to 9/11.

I didn't put anything, it the logical conclusion one can clearly see when you use those word in that manner to make your point.

 

[Ice Car]

OT: This is not a major victory. This will just bring more shit down upon our heads. They WILL retaliate to Osama's death, I highly doubt they won't.

Oh no, what on earth would we do if Al Quaeda started acting crazy?

They were already fanataical, this doesn't strengthen. If anything, it proves their "strong, courageous leader" isn't immune to bullets either. Their command chain is in tatters, their resources are shot, I will fucking garuntee that in addition to the body they could track a large number of people from the info in the compound they were living in, and there is no way this could make Al Quaeda more crazy, cause they were already at peak crazy.

I'm not going to deny the possibility of Osama's death provoking another attack against the US, possibly on US soil. Despite the chances of such an attack succeeding with their current resources.

Dude, anything could provoke that. Remember the underwear bomber? The guiy in times square? They try, but they fail. They failed when they still had their full control network up, how are they gonna succeed when its fucked?

They will attack you anyway - they already despuised you, this doesn't upgrade their hatred to any signifigant level.

"Despite the chances of such an attack succeeding with their current resources".

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

Short term, probably not.
Long term, I think we may have just kicked a hornets nest...

Like making the guy a Martyr for them to rebuild the cause for example. Because, really, they needed a figure to follow in death now.

Question - from who? Whose gonna follow them now? Bin Ladens charisma was one of their last bankable resources.

It wasn't just Bin Laden's charisma, it was that of all the militant Islamic leaders. That shit up on wikileaks also helps to stir anti-American sentiment. Look at it from their point of view, one of their brothers just got killed and they have an almost unending group of reserves because they are all united against what they believe is a threat to their religion. What would you do next?

 

[jakefongloo]

Short term, probably not.
Long term, I think we may have just kicked a hornets nest...

Like making the guy a Martyr for them to rebuild the cause for example. Because, really, they needed a figure to follow in death now.

Question - from who? Whose gonna follow them now? Bin Ladens charisma was one of their last bankable resources.

Like nobody follow a guy with a nice smile to death or rage war in his name century after their demise. Yes, I'm taking about Jesus Christ and why, I just made a parallel with Christianity.

Can I have my cookie now?

The wars that happened a 1000 years (I think) maybe 700 with a guy who's life/death made the biggest religion known in the universe today. You're really comparing him to a guy in a cave with a copy of lying congressional style and the comprehension perk.

Can I borrow you're ability to see into the future? I need to know some lotto numbers.

 

[Akalistos]

Short term, probably not.
Long term, I think we may have just kicked a hornets nest...

Like making the guy a Martyr for them to rebuild the cause for example. Because, really, they needed a figure to follow in death now.

Question - from who? Whose gonna follow them now? Bin Ladens charisma was one of their last bankable resources.

Like nobody follow a guy with a nice smile to death or rage war in his name century after their demise. Yes, I'm taking about Jesus Christ and why, I just made a parallel with Christianity.

Can I have my cookie now?

If Osama wakes up on Thursday, I'll give you the cookie. Until then, I think Jesus had one or two stronger reasons to follow him than Osama.

Not really, Nobody could prove of disprove the so call miracle he made. For all intense and purpose, he might get a colorful version of the even depicting USA as the Roman and him as Jesus trying to save you from sin. It's like that in every country. Did you know Japaneses learn that USA threaten Japan and that you FORCE THEM to Attack Pearl Harbor. Not only that, but that your government was perceive by them as more evil than Nazis because, while they did make concentration camp, they never made the Atom Bomb.

 

[nondescript]

What now? Now the Islamic extremist scream "For this insult you and your country must die!" and they find some way to prove that even though their figurehead is now a perpendicular to a tombstone, the fight against capitalist, wait, American pigs must go on. It's a brand new old war.
As far as what the US will do, I put my money we'll see more "This war is over, bring our troops home" on one side, and "Our troops are fighting to be extracted/we can't leave until we they stop shooting at us" on the other.

In short, five years from now even we won't know why Bin Laden was so important. Call me cynical, but I'm betting I'm right as well.

 

[Nurb]

Great now republicans will want to see a long-form death certificate because there's no way he'd kill a fellow muslim

oh chill out already. The best news in years and already its turning into a political clusterfuck.

Obama said in his speech that he continued Bush's policies and expanded on them in order to pull this off and for once he made a great, neutral speech. Don't fuck this up for the rest of us.

If you take that beyond a joke, you're just bitter