So... fat chicks.

[Alex_P]

Let me give an example of the difference between education and indoctrination:

Indoctrination: You should believe A.

Education: You should believe A because you already agreed with my demonstration that if B is true, then A must be true as well. And you yourself told me that you believe B to be true, so, it logically follows from your own beliefs that you should add "A is true" to those beliefs.

I don't think that distinction always holds up well.

Still, it's really something that is neither direct indoctrination nor education that is the heart of the issue -- call it, err, cultural osmosis, if you will. Ideas that we internalize without anyone really trying to communicate them to us directly.

Without the well-developed ability to scrutinize our own thoughts, we're at the mercy of this memetic jetsam.

-- Alex

 

[The Wooster]

There is a blog update on the subject. Just in case anyone cares.

http://doctorpus.wordpress.com/

 

[geldonyetich]

To me, I see a novel game concept, assuming it's not just a fantasy-themed Pikmin. I don't think this will hurt my social life. If anything, it might have the opposite effect, by providing lardo-phobes a simulation in which they can get used to the idea of employing people to rescue me from the clutches of fantasy villain gourmets.

 

[tobyornottoby]

Seriously, out of the top of my head i could name dozens of famous people of European descent (not in video games) who invented, ruled, or discovered something. Infact, here's what i can think of;

That's more because we know little of what happens at the other side of the globe, and vice versa. A while ago this new restaurant in india was in the news. It was called "Adolf Hitler" and was all decorated with red and inverted swastika's and whatnot. They thought it was funny, trivial.

Soooo, we don't know many other famous guys from that side, because they're just funny, trivial

I mean, isn't saying "You shouldn't be sexist" just as much indoctrination as "Men are smarter than women"?

what is sexism exactly? >.>

Because thanks to our evolutional heritage, I do believe you can say
"The majority of men don't listen" or
"The majority of women can't read maps" (another 10 cookies for this reference, I'll take the 10 for knowing who ralph bear is... I have his autograph hanging on the wall here ^^)

However, you can NEVER say such a thing on a individual scale

 

[M0rp43vs]

What I read on gaming threads(escapist and game politics) are so radically different from scientific journals and blogs like these.
They say gamers are bloody retards but that's not what I'm seeing in the threads. On the people who say this on the other hand....

 

[Vandal Phantom]

Entirely beside the fact of whether or not Sony is being stupid, I am pretty sure princesses back in the day and age when princesses were common, were fat. After all they got whatever they wanted to eat and didn't have to work. Not all princesses are like the Disney princesses for heavens sake - in fact I doubt any were. And lets not forget that you normally don't save a princess out of love and romance, you do it cuz her father rules the frickin' country and if you want to gain his favor you do what he wants.

In essence they are adding a cute spin to something that seems entirely normal. It is the romanticized ideal of a princess that is sexist/biased, and that ideal comes -heaven forbid- from society in general!

So in essence the game is an underlying satire that has a point. "Look how foolish aristocracies and ruling classes were"

cool

 

[Jumplion]

My god, this is insane. The amount of people shouting "fat ***** needs to shut up and die" has subsided, but the thread has somehow managed to deteriorate. Christ.

Jumplion. I wasn't offended by your big post of examples of why men have contributed more to the world than women, because it was so full of nonsense. The major reason why there are so few famous women in history is that a little thing called "sexism" existed, and the number of women who were actually allowed to do stuff like be educated and not sit around sewing or something was significantly lower than it is today. And the rest of your post was simply not true. They weren't allowed to fight in wars, and your personal experience with doctors and drivers means fuck all, when there's a hell of a lot of women who are doctors, drivers, and plenty of men who are nurses, and whiney-ass backseat drivers.

And then there's the fact that, even if the hypothetical situation were to arrise that men contributed more to the world than women, what the hell does that even matter? Does having a common factor with someone famous suddenly make you worth more than someone who doesn't?

Ooh, ooh, here's a fun thought. Guess what else 99% of the people you listed were? White! That means white people are better than black people, because white people contributed more to society. No, no, lets ignore the fact that white people had a massive head start in terms of civilisation, your logic must be right!

For the robots of the internet, that was sarcasm. I was using sarcasm to make a point.

You are entitled to your opinion, that's fine. I don't remember saying anything about women drivers, but that's not the point.

You do make alot of points, though you didn't have to act so snobberishly about it.

Though the reason why I posted Martin Luther King on there was so I would have said atleast one African/Black person on the list. I'm positive that if i dug a bit deeper in my brain i would have thought of a couple more African/Black people like Bill Cosby and Scott Joplin.

My point of the whole topic was if women want to be treated equaly then they should put up or shut up. Obviously, women at one point were limited to what people let them do (which now contradicts what I said a bit eariler to a small portion). But now they have no excuse to go out and do something.

So until they discover a cure for a seriuos disease, invent a new engery source, or invent/discover/rule a country of sorts and people still don't treat them equaly them by all means go forth with their feminism and I'll be with them supporting in some way. I know women have done those things before just not to a large enough degree (to my knowledge)(

@Cheeze_Pavilion:
Unfortunately, there arn't as many famous Americans as people would like to think. Though how the list of European Decendents and NON-European Decendents makes any difference whatsoever, I don't know, so if there is supposed to be a significant different then please tell me as the list is about famous males/females not famous Americans/Non-Americans.

Seriously, is it that different?

 

[Arcticflame]

What pisses me off about this, is that while it is certainly uncalled for to tease someone for being fat. Being fat is still a bad thing.

This is nothing like racism, or bashing a particular religion etc, unless you have a medical condition causing you to be fat, it IS a lifestyle choice to be fat and sit around on your arse all day, hence we portray it as a bad thing.. the same as we portray poor hygiene as a bad thing.

But somehow some fatties think it's alright for them to create fat pride or Fatty right groups.

Unbelievable.

 

[Break]

My point of the whole topic was if women want to be treated equaly then they should put up or shut up. Obviously, women at one point were limited to what people let them do (which now contradicts what I said a bit eariler to a small portion). But now they have no excuse to go out and do something.

So until they discover a cure for a seriuos disease, invent a new engery source, or invent/discover/rule a country of sorts and people still don't treat them equaly them by all means go forth with their feminism and I'll be with them supporting in some way. I know women have done those things before just not to a large enough degree (to my knowledge)

And then there's the fact that, even if the hypothetical situation were to arise that men contributed more to the world than women, what the hell does that even matter? Does having a common factor with someone famous suddenly make you worth more than someone who doesn't?

I already gave an answer for your "point".

On the other hand, I thought the irony in "though you didn't have to act so snobberishly about it" was hilarious.

 

[Jumplion]

My point of the whole topic was if women want to be treated equaly then they should put up or shut up. Obviously, women at one point were limited to what people let them do (which now contradicts what I said a bit eariler to a small portion). But now they have no excuse to go out and do something.

So until they discover a cure for a seriuos disease, invent a new engery source, or invent/discover/rule a country of sorts and people still don't treat them equaly them by all means go forth with their feminism and I'll be with them supporting in some way. I know women have done those things before just not to a large enough degree (to my knowledge)

And then there's the fact that, even if the hypothetical situation were to arise that men contributed more to the world than women, what the hell does that even matter? Does having a common factor with someone famous suddenly make you worth more than someone who doesn't?

Would cursing and screaming at you be better? I try to avoid insulting people in arguments whenever possible, especially because there's no point in insulting the person across the freakin' world.

But to answer this:

"Does having a common factor with someone famous suddenly make you worth more than someone who doesn't?"

Unfortunately, yes. If someone is the son or daughter of someone famous, let's say Bill Gates (just as a comparison) then yeah, people would treat you much differently than an average joe. Take London from the "Suite Life of Zack and Cody" (best example I could think up of, shut up) she says her dad's the owner of the hotel BAM everyone treats her like royalty (of course, that's Television, but hopefully you get the point).

From most people's knowledge, men have contributed more to society than women which is not neccisarily true but it's what many people think. Another example would be in an episode of the Simpsons, Lisa is participating in hockey and thus creates a sex war between the family that leads to Homer listing various different things that men have created and discovered and Marge is only able to list 2 or 3 such as Tempered glass because "women certainly use them".

Again, that is not true but that's what many people think.

That's what i think anyway, feel free to disagree but don't expect to change my opinion on the subject. As my friend says "Arguing over the internet is just like participating in the special olympics; even if you win you're still a retard."

Though i do admit I did sound a bit snobbish in my post, but that's behind now...right?

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

This is nothing like racism, or bashing a particular religion etc, unless you have a medical condition causing you to be fat, it IS a lifestyle choice to be fat and sit around on your arse all day, hence we portray it as a bad thing.. the same as we portray poor hygiene as a bad thing.

and even the medical condition isn't truly a medical condition. to state it more clearly, the bodies of some people are just not compatible with a western starch heavy diet. one specific example is the Pima tribe in Arizona.

genetically, the bodies of the Pima indians are evolved against famine and more for an optimum processing of the food from that region (nuts, grains, meats). as a tribe and society they have remained, for the most part, genetically secluded so their bodies have not adapted to the volume of carbohydrates found in western food.

Pimas found in Arizona suffer from drastically high rates of obesity and diabetes. however, there are Pima indians in Mexico who still live in seclusion from a western diet. these indians do not suffer these health defects.

proper diet and health is about understanding your own body, and eating what it needs. so even the genetically predisposed are culpable for their health.

 

[Break]

Unfortunately, yes. If someone is the son or daughter of someone famous, let's say Bill Gates (just as a comparison) then yeah, people would treat you much differently than an average joe.

Oh, right. Y'see, I was talking about what should happen, while you were presumably talking about the different ways people find to be stupid. Perhaps you should choose your wording a little more carefully, because it kind of looks like you actually believe that the number of famous men is a good reason why men are better than women.

Anyway, now that we've got that cleared up, I hardly think that it's a good idea to pander to people's broken logic. Having women contribute more in an attempt to fight sexism, would only reinforce the idea that people should be judged by superficial similarities. Even then, you're contradicting yourself. A woman who is a direct descendant of Thomas Edison would be held in higher esteem than a man who is the same gender as Thomas Edison. Also, wouldn't it work in reverse, too? I can think of more famous male criminals than female, so...

In any case, the fact that there are more famous men than women isn't something that makes a difference. Generally, forms of discrimination are learned from the parents, or develop from instinctive xenophobia. Something like "men contributed more" is a justification, not a reason, and a weak one at that.

Also, what was:

Would cursing and screaming at you be better? I try to avoid insulting people in arguments whenever possible, especially because there's no point in insulting the person across the freakin' world.

Actually in response to? I can't quite figure it out.

 

[Booze Zombie]

I'm sorry, but I don't get it. Why is this woman claiming men are fat hating gay-kickers?

I read some of her blog, she claimed that her husband couldn't understand her because he didn't have breasts and a vagina. I was puzzled. How are periods and a bust so hard to comprehend?

Oh, I got some of it... she pulled that "my boss looks at my tits" line out of thin air and claimed men would never understand. Because, y'know... no man has ever been used by a woman for self-satisfaction. Ever.

Feminists make my head hurt... in anger.

 

[Jumplion]

Unfortunately, yes. If someone is the son or daughter of someone famous, let's say Bill Gates (just as a comparison) then yeah, people would treat you much differently than an average joe.

Oh, right. Y'see, I was talking about what should happen, while you were presumably talking about the different ways people find to be stupid. Perhaps you should choose your wording a little more carefully, because it kind of looks like you actually believe that the number of famous men is a good reason why men are better than women.

Anyway, now that we've got that cleared up, I hardly think that it's a good idea to pander to people's broken logic. Having women contribute more in an attempt to fight sexism, would only reinforce the idea that people should be judged by superficial similarities. Even then, you're contradicting yourself. A woman who is a direct descendant of Thomas Edison would be held in higher esteem than a man who is the same gender as Thomas Edison. Also, wouldn't it work in reverse, too? I can think of more famous male criminals than female, so...

In any case, the fact that there are more famous men than women isn't something that makes a difference. Generally, forms of discrimination are learned from the parents, or develop from instinctive xenophobia. Something like "men contributed more" is a justification, not a reason, and a weak one at that.

Also, what was:

Would cursing and screaming at you be better? I try to avoid insulting people in arguments whenever possible, especially because there's no point in insulting the person across the freakin' world.

Actually in response to? I can't quite figure it out.

Fair enough, can't think of that many valid arguments about what you just said, you have bested me.

And I accidentally edited out the "On the other hand, I thought the irony in 'though you didn't have to act so snobberishly' about it was hilarious." But would you seriously rather have a retarted "Console/PC-Tard" yelling at you?

An argument well done, you have bested the most of me but I still believe I have a point whatever it may be.

 

[Iron Mal]

Ah...inequality from all walks of life (a topic like this is a field day for me!).

I am instantly suspicious of anything that catches the attention of feminists due to their very well known agenda of 'it's a man's fault' (notice also how there was no 'masculinist' movement). I could also say the same for people who stand up and justify the downfalls of the obese (all credit to them for trying but I still think they're wrong), which to me comes across as 'blame skinny' or 'screw you' (I should add at this point that I'm a fairly burly fellow myself).

All the talk I've seen of fatness being a genetic condition or a virus sounds like a very convienient way of passing responsability away from the individual, it also says 'it's not my fault and I can't do anything about it' so by accepting this we are sitting back and watching these people carry on down the lardy path of destruction...can anyone seriously say that they want to sit by and do nothing while thousands of fat people waddle to their grease-laiden graves?

Speaking seriously again though.

Allow me to say that when talking about the game in question (Fat Princess for those of you who have forgotten) we are refering to a fictional character, this person doesn't exsist. With this in mind, anything that happens or is said shouldn't bother anyone since the fat person in question isn't even human, this would be like christians taking offense to the Allfarther from 'The Preacher' because he asks for a bucket to vomit in after eating a selection of pies and cakes (I believe that he also says 'ah...cake' as well).