So I went to a strip club the other day...

[EliteFreq]

Personally I think its disgusting, and I find the fact that you're bragging about it even more disgusting

He didn't really brag, he just said he had fun and wondered whether anyone had similar experiences.


I'll probably never go out of choice, I feel like people think I'm a perv if they're standing in my eyeline in clothes that are even slightly revealing.

 

[zhoominator]

It's really simple.

Christina Aguilera runs around in skimpy outfits, and she's a multi-millionaire known by everybody in the world and lusted after by millions of men. When on stage, she commands tens of thousands of people, and Maxim and FHM make millions because people want to buy issues showing her in a bikini. She is in total control of a large media empire. Oh, and she's married and has a child.

Judith Butler talks about the subversion of the phallogocentric heterosexual matrix, and only philo and lit grad students have ever heard of her, and there is nobody in the world who has ever fantasised about bedding her. She doesn't control jack shit.


Who's the more successful woman here? Who's more of a feminist? Feminism is about empowering women. But isn't the whole point of empowerment about using what God/nature/a healthy diet and a strict workout regimen gave you to your greatest advantage? If empowerment can only happen through denying sexuality, what the fuck is the point of empowering a GENDER, at all? A woman can write a doctoral thesis as well as any man - but there is no difference between the sexes there.

Actually, there is a big difference. The man would generally get more recognition for writing whatever than the woman. Look at how many famous female scientists there are. Very few compared to the number of males. Women have to work twice as hard in fields such as this to get a fraction of the recognition. You pretty much said it yourself when talking about Judith Butler.

I really don't get your point. All you seem to be showing is that things like strip clubs actually make it MORE difficult for woman to gain respect in any way other than by flashing their tits. That isn't empowerment, that is men trying to fit women into these silly archaic "gender roles". You're just reinforcing the sexist idea that the only way a woman can be anything is through sex. Whoopdee fucking doo, you're just another chauvanist pig.

 

[BoxCutter]

I don't much care for strip clubs. Don't care for the atmosphere, people, smells, crap like that. No matter how attractive the women are or whatever, I cannot relax and enjoy myself in a place like that. I tend to avoid them all together.

 

[AWAR]

Personally I think its disgusting, and I find the fact that you're bragging about it even more disgusting

Sorry i guess we know how to have fun.

Do you think the strippers were having 'fun'? Do you think they feel good about themselves? I mean hey, if you have fun by demeaning and objectifying woman then well theres not much I can say. But really, next time think about how your actions make others feel.

I don't think women are working there against their will...

 

[omega 616]

If someone idiotically and wrongly depicts you as a disgusting, twisted ogre, then I guess you can be granted a certain measure of arrogance in return.

By the same measure aren't you an idiot and wrong? Your calling her them things for voicing her opinion of men looking at women for nothing other than to get excited. Your voicing your opinion of her so that makes you an idiot and wrong. I also don't think she said "twisted ogre".

Now I look like a white night, defending a girl I don't know. (actually I am just correcting things)

 

[Funkiest Monkey]

Well, my friend's mom has bought/is opening a strip club. And I am pretty much guaranteed a job of a doorman there.

Rock 'n Roll!!

 

[Meoith]

I never bothered, because I didn't feel it was worth the money.I never bothered, because I didn't feel it was worth the money.

You're assuming strip clubs are not real life? Good one, you're not being judgemental at all.

lol I doubt i really mean stip clubs are real life, then again quite a few relationships out there are based off guys putting their miss's on a high pedestal while they feed them money so they wont leave. I obviously have hit a raw nerve deep down reveled some kind of ugly truth haha, again paying money for all that fake attention and the chance to see omg a real naked women is pathetic and puts her higher above you than she really should be , its no wonder alot of women play men for fools.

I have no issues with strippers and prostitutes, if i could go to one for free strip show that is(my wife would kill me if i did the other thing lol) i would, ive had several female friends who have taken both career paths and made a good amount of money off it, good on them(that is providing they take good care of themselfs and avoid geting f'ed up in the process).

Regardless i still think strippers and prostitutes clients are suckers thinking with their dicks unless of course they really do stand no chance in hell of getting a female to pay attention to them, have sex with them, give them teh chance to see a naked body etc then yes in these cases i real do feel for their unfortunate situration.


Ive pretty much had my say, i wont bother with this thread anymore, ive pretty much pointed out what i think of males who feel the need to buy a women to get their attention be it in a strip club or a relationship.

 

[Wolvaroo]

I've been dragged to a strip club twice and it's just too unintersting to me. I end up being so bored my friends leave early.

 

[Deadlock Radium]

"Shit, I forgot my hat inside"
"Nah, take it easy, it hangs on your lap."

OT: I haven't been to a strip club because I'm not old enough until september 2011, but when I get old enough, I think I'll pass that chance.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Fucking hell, if I were all muscled and such, and women would pay me $1,000 a night to take off my clothes and be desired by a room full of people, why the fuck wouldn't I?

Ugh... strip club I used to work security at occasionally had a ladies night when there was some all-male revue passing through that wasn't big enough to score it's own venue... women are fucking feral at those shows. No one in the security biz EVER wants to be rostered for a male strip show. Hell, I can remember at a community theatre I used to occasionally stage hand for had one of the bigger male strip veneues come through and both nights they were on ended with the cops bringing out the riot squad.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

Strippers make $50,000 a year almost as a baseline. A full-time minimum wage job pays ~$15,000 a year. Even stepping up from the minimum wage, with some type of non-technical four year degree, you'll be hard pressed to find a job with a starting annual salary in excess of $30,000.

If you don't recognize the enormous financial pressure at work here, I don't know what to tell you.

Factor in young children or college tuition, and sometimes these women don't have much of a choice; the difference in quality of life is so extreme that it can easily corrode, override, or otherwise influence their personal morals. These pressures act on an almost biological level, preying on desires for security and even our base survival instinct.

There are definitely women who love to strip and wouldn't do anything else for a living. There are far more who entered the profession, and remain there, for purely financial reasons. They would do anything else if they could, but they put on a smile and try to convince themselves that it's good work because it's the extreme path of least resistance - as society at large has defined things.

So... You did read this part of my original post:

Yeah. They're all prostitutes, except that nobody is forcing them to do what they're doing. They could work at your local Seven-Eleven, your local Burger King or they could be an employee everywhere else.

It just happens they make more as strippers, so that's what they do.

?

I've bolded the part where I basically sum up your point in one single sentence.

Do you think stripping is the only profession entered because of its pay, and most certainly because of the financial pressure?
Do you honestly think that?

That's... That's unbelievably ignorant.

If your only choice, because you flunked out of high school(high unemployment in your area), is to become a stripper... How am I, the one who pay your wages, to blame?

You do also realise that you're talking about college tuition, right? Strip clubs usually don't have soccer moms as employees -- Maybe they would if your incredibly hypothetical and astoundingly unrealistic scenario did indeed have roots in reality... Meaning that soccer moms would suddenly be out of work and have nowhere to turn except the local stripclub! Oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As it stands, though, that's not the case.

Also, you may refer to the part I made italic.
There are other jobs avaliable... I mean, apart from becoming a stripper.

We, as a society, arbitrarily determine the worth of a naked body jiggling around on stage. At a McDonald's, everything is determined by actual costs - as in, how much does it cost to supply the product to the customer. At a strip club, we simply pay out relatively ludicrous amounts of money to women with no real qualifications or skills because we happen to be in power (thanks to excess income) and horny.

One price (crappy cheeseburger) is based on fixed real world costs. The other (titties!) is purely arbitrary. That is the distinction. If prostitution were legal here, you'd probably be defending that as well. Hey, women can choose whether or not they want to sell their bodies, right? The fact that the market will offer them $500 for an hour's work shouldn't impede their ability to make a moral decision, right?

Anyways, I'm obviously someone who believes that unrestricted free market capitalism puts unreasonable pressures on people to compromise their beliefs. That doesn't seem to be a prevalent attitude in this thread. I'm probably just gonna have to take my ball and go home.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

I gotta say, I've never really understood the attraction behind strip teases. I mean, understand the desire to see women naked and I understand the uses of paying women to pretend to be attracted to you, but I just don't understand why you would pay a woman to take off her clothes but not sexually gratify you.

I'm not trying to be absurd and I'm not trying to be vulgar, but going to a strip club just doesn't make any sense to me at all. Why go to a place where they're designed to titillate, but not satisfy? Makes no sense to me. Couldn't you do something very much similar(and cheaper) by just looking at free internet porn? I mean, it's not like the strippers will actually take care of the problem they're creating, if you catch my meaning.

 

[ARatherHandsomeGent]

While I find nothing wrong with going to a strip club at all, I've never gone for the simple fact I'm to young/ would feel extremely awkward.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Yeah... it's the consummate irony that while one group of women bitches incessantly about how stripping is the consummate degradation of the female gender, another group exhibits behaviour at the sight of an oiled up muscle man that would get any dude thrown out of every strip club in the world. Ah, hypocrisy.

It wasn't just the strippers getting mauled, either. Every bloke they could lay hand to ended up with his clothing in tatters. Staff, security, hell, even cops were having their uniforms torn off. Lighting and Sound engineers barricaded themselves in the booth until the cops cleared everyone out. One of the security guard not only lost all his clothes but also one of his bollocks... and he had a face like a smashed crab.