So Prop. 19 didnt go through (the one about Legalizing Marijuana)

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Hobonicus

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I haven't read through the entire thread, but wow there are a lot of collectivists here claiming that someone who doesn't vote could've made a difference and has no right to criticize. People need to understand the reality beyond moral theory and realize that everyone is an individual. There is no way a single vote makes a difference no matter the amount of fervor behind it.

You can say "If everybody thought like that, nobody would vote" but I'm not and never will be "everybody", neither is Azaraxzealot, and neither are you. Of course if nobody voted there'd be trouble but you absolutely can't be so blinded by social conformity that you'd dump an issue the size of a nation onto a single person.

So if he had voted, what would the difference have been, why would he be more qualified to criticize the outcome? There would have been no difference; he, as an individual, has done absolutely nothing wrong. The only true difference between him and someone who took ten minutes out of their year to vote is that ten minutes. Anything else is just arrogant conjectures about his personality and social worth made by people who regurgitate what the rest of society has told them to think.
 

Gaz6231

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RamirezDoEverything said:
Still illegal?
GOOD! No idiot pot heads to clog up the streets and stores and such.
Weed is bad people, get over it.
Science disagrees. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29#Medical_use]

as do your founding fathers. [http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2912/did-george-washington-and-thomas-jefferson-grow-marijuana]
 

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GrinningManiac said:
Democracy triumphs again.

That wasn't sarcasm, btw. People made a decision. It may or may not be the right one, but it's A decision
All the stoners forgot it was the day that they had to vote
 

Gaz6231

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As would almost any rational, educated person for that matter. Marijuana has been demonized for so long that most people have literally no idea what it is/does. The tiniest bit of reading would show people that it's not the devil, it's Jesus' happy juice! [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion]
 

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Hmm...okay, then. I voted for it, but it wasn't one I was terribly hung up on just yet. It was about a 45/55 split, though, so it might be closer than I thought.

Fun fact: even if this proposition passed, marijuana is still illegal by federal law. The interesting part would have been seeing how the national government reacted...
 

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it sucks BUT WERE SO DAMN CLOSE i dont live in cali but i think that once one state makes it legal than all states will start slowly but eventually

until then im afraid we will still have to just buy it from people who could shoot us
 

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I just saw a news article about this and california actually had a school to teach people how to grow the stuff what i dont get is that when everyone was talking about how great it would be but it is still illegal by federal law to sell it and federal law it would over rule state law i dont know why everyone is so worried about it being sold in california as long as its against federal law i doubt any state will ever be able to sell any illegal drugs
(stupid need to rant)
 

The Austin

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Kurt Cristal said:
Actually not voting DOES have a point. Just ask George Carlin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
George Carlin doesn't have the answer to everything. In fact, he doesn't have the answer to most things.

OP: Bummer. Could have paved the way for progress, I might have even tried it.
 

Gaz6231

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Legion IV said:
YES!!! Didnt go through Woooooo!!!! Happy day!
I assume then that the mountain of positive evidence that's been thrown at you in other threads hasn't swayed your irrational views?
 

SenseOfTumour

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Firstly, I'd have to say that I don't think you'd have the current problem of cheap untaxed import smokes (I'm looking at the UK here, might be different there), as with tobacco, there's an 80% + tax rate to support the strain on healthcare that smoking causes.

I'd personally support higher taxes on alcohol and junk food too, so long as you leave us the hell alone after you're done taxing us.

With marijuana, there's not the health issues tobacco has, so they could have a reasonable tax level, and the sheer convenience of being able to pick up a quarter ounce in Walmart would negate being able to get it 10-20% cheaper by meeting your dealer at a certain time in a certain place to trade.

Secondly, as for voting, I'd suggest that even if your vote wouldn't change the outcome, it can change the tactics of the politicians, I believe that the more popular gaming becomes over the next few years, the less support you'll find for 'banning these evil child warping murder simulators' as they realise the people voting for them actually enjoy them and perhaps even work in the industry, the US has a strong games industry like the UK.

If a vote passes 53-47% for, then the politicians still have to consider 47% of voters don't agree. They're probably not going to be strongly vocal about that issue, whereas if voters don't turn out and it passed say 78-22% for, then they know they're pleasing a strong majority by voting against weed legalisation.

Most politicians just want to stay in power, they'll change their opinions to suit what keeps them there.
 

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Kurt Cristal said:
Actually not voting DOES have a point. Just ask George Carlin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
I watched that and what I gleaned from that was that... let's say if I voted Republican and the Republican person got in. Then, the Republican person didn't do what I thought that he had promised to me. That was basically his point. What about if I had voted Democrat and the Republican got in? I didn't vote in the corrupt guy. My vote didn't go to that guy! I wanted someone who I thought could have been much better! Also, this sort of reminds me of this thing where Latinos were being urged to stay home and not vote Democrat, because they didn't want to support the Democrats for not doing enough, but still didn't want to vote Republican, who usually put forth policies that most Latinos would definitely not approve of. Now, that just seems stupid. Wouldn't you rather have somebody who doesn't do enough but is still with you than somebody who is actively against you? Ha ha ha ha ha. Silly people.

OT: You didn't vote, so don't complain. I myself would like to see marijuana legalized, not that I ever have done nor will even touch the stuff. Mainly I would like to see marijuana legalized because of my political views, not personal.
 

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Gaz6231 said:
Legion IV said:
YES!!! Didnt go through Woooooo!!!! Happy day!
I assume then that the mountain of positive evidence that's been thrown at you in other threads hasn't swayed your irrational views?
Ah your back. I must admit before i was annoyned by you but its pretty intresting agruing back and forth. As for the info. Most of those things can be debated sure, i've seen people change but like you said most likley not. But i will not respond to your blasphemous veiws on things like "jesus happy juice" its just so crzy to respond to. Your other things are debatible though and i respect your veiws. Am sorry if i seemed hostile. Despite our gaint diffrences you seem like a cool guy.
 

Hobonicus

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I'd also like to add that I voted to legalize it. I've never smoked in my life, but it is faaaaar outside my jurisdiction to decide what other people do to their own bodies within their own home. Prop 19 legalized it for people over 21, using a small dosage, in private residences only (and specific designated areas, whatever that means). All you Escapists abhor the Australian government for censoring video games in fear of bad influences and then you turn right around and say marijuana is bad because potheads are annoying or dumb? Seriously? In my opinion none of you should be allowed to criticize whether you voted or not because you clearly have a personal agenda of unnecessary manufactured hate to spew.

Marijuana is not anywhere near as unhealthy as other very legal substances. All of your arguments against it reek of either an inflated sense of entitlement or just plain ignorance. You have no right to think you should stop someone from doing what they want to themselves. You'll defend gamers' rights to play violent games because it pertains to you but because marijuana is such a taboo subject suddenly it's all "Noooo, weed is bad nobody should do it." You're not protecting anyone out of benevolence, you're not aiding anyone with your flawed medical logic. Who the hell do you think you are deciding for me what I can and cannot do solely to myself?
 
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Snowalker said:
GrinningManiac said:
Democracy triumphs again.

That wasn't sarcasm, btw. People made a decision. It may or may not be the right one, but it's A decision
The fuck?

thats like saying, Nature triumphs again ever time you take shit. Hell yeah it part of the fucking thing. How could you have democracy fail? them not reach a decision even though they all voted? is that even possible?
If you want an example of democracy fail, just look at America from 2000-2008. Just because the majority wants something doesn't mean the majority isn't fucking retarded.
 

Samus Aaron

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mr_rubino said:
Samus Aaron said:
seydaman said:
Samus Aaron said:
I don't really care. What's gonna happen, all the addicts are going to whine about not getting their fix? "Get the government out of my marijuana, I deserve the right to smoke it." Oh, please, even if they do care about those rights, it's rarely the principle that they are arguing for; they just want to get high. Besides, those who really want it will find a way to get it anyway. The laws in place only keep it from getting ridiculously out of hand.
Uhm, you realize you sound like a retard?
Marijuana isn't addictive...at all....someone just failed hardcore.
Edit: You should go watch the movie The Union, should clear this up for you.
Wow, I guess you're right - I'm a total retard. I forgot that there was no such thing as a "stoner".

But honestly, you realize that YOU sound like a retard? You're actually going to tell me that marijuana is not addictive at all? Even things like television, video games, sex, and food can be addictive. In fact, literally everything can be addictive if you have it enough times.
I like the cut of your gib.
Ban everything! People can become psychologically-addicted to them.
Wow, did you even read my original post? I never once said (in either post) that we should ban marijuana or other things that are addictive. I merely stated the fact that they are addictive to some extent. For all you know, I could have voted in support of Prop 19.
 

Gaz6231

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Legion IV said:
But i will not respond to your blasphemous veiws on things like "jesus happy juice" its just so crzy to respond to.
So you'd deny that Jesus (had he existed) and other religious figures used cannabis oil when anointing people, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they did? sounds kinda blasphemous to me...
 

Gaz6231

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Samus Aaron said:
I never once said (in either post) that we should ban marijuana or other things that are addictive. I merely stated the fact that they are addictive to some extent.


Proof. [http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth9.shtml]