So Prop. 19 didnt go through (the one about Legalizing Marijuana)

[RaikuFA]

Damn, it seems that once again my plan to destroy the good, christen, moral fabric of America has failed.

For my next plan I will legally sell cigars to pregnant teenage girls, Mwahahahaha!

i do that here in jersey

 

[PorkChopXpress]

I blame the new age/hippie crowd. If they would've gotten off their asses and voted perhaps things would be different. But no, they refused to shut off the Spongebob re-runs instead of making the effort.

Policy doesn't change by lack of action, you've got to DO SOMETHING...fucking procrastinators.

 

[Timbydude]

I mean...it's an election. The idea is that you do what the most people want, not what you individually think is right. It's a small majority, but clearly the majority of Californian votes did not want marijuana legalized.

Personally, I have nothing against its legalization, but I'd say that listening to the majority has worked pretty well for this government so far.

 

[Icarion (aka Stockholm)]

A sad day for mankind (at least the states) Hopefully other californian laws will also be struck down.

 

[Cuppa Tetleys]

If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, I don't see why marijuana can't be - I think the only effect would be a growth in the economy, and once it becomes openly available it'll discourage the dealings on the streets.

 

[Sodoff]

I Weep!

I was planning to live the rest of my life in KarliFornia!

 

[capin Rob]

i guess California is still as ass-backwards as ever, especially since it was SHOWN that this would generate tax revenue for the government that they could have given to schools or to fixing roads.

so by this logic we should also vote yes on all propositions that make revenue. If they put prop P up for vote which allowed you to whore out children and the people voted it down would you have the same response. "come on you retards it will generate money!" No you wouldn't unless your a pedophile. You're only responding this way because people didn't vote the way you think they 'should'. Sorry a majority of people who actually did vote didn't share the same dream with you about being able to one day smoke weed legally outside and giggle like a school child while doing it.

Did you just compare Smoking Pot to being a pedophile? Because by that logic, drinking Hard liquor would be equal to being hitler

Yes, but OBVIOUSLY it was only as an analogy limited to the terms of countering the argument that "it should have gone through just for bringing in more tax money"

I suppose a more politically-correct answer (if you are really going to be so fussy about this) is comparing this to a hypothetical Proposition of Doubling the Taxation rate.

That's right, everything double.
Sales tax: double
Income tax: twice what everyone pays for each band
Fines: double (they're effectively a tax)

Now do you see the flaw in your initial statement? That increased tax income isn't necessarily great. Where else would tax be poached from.

I'd also point out your fallacious implication that gbemery stated child abuse and substance abuse were anyway similar in their heinousness. It should be obvious to everyone that the child prostitution was brought up because there is ABSOLUTELY NO ambiguities that it is both illegal and immoral to be the basis of the analogy.

But you seemed to choose the route of "scoring points" in this argument by negative insinuation.

How would I be "Scoring points" In the argument... I'm not some pot advocate, and I barely talked about the issue of the thread, And it was just a joke

 

[Treblaine]

I mean...it's an election. The idea is that you do what the most people want, not what you individually think is right. It's a small majority, but clearly the majority of Californian votes did not want marijuana legalized.

Personally, I have nothing against its legalization, but I'd say that listening to the majority has worked pretty well for this government so far.

Agreed... mostly.

But this assumes it was 100% voter turnout, or some kind of proportional strata. No, this is a referendum.

What if people who held the opinion that Cannabis should remain illegal (and would have voted against this proposition) felt more strongly and so were MORE LIKELY to vote?

What if people who would have voted to legalise weed did not feel AS STRONGLY to go to the effort of the trip to the poll booth?

This is what's known as a selection factor in statistics, it's like if you were doing a forest survey and you had to catch each animal to record it's population. You may find the forest is mainly made up of slow and dull creatures, that's just because they are easiest to catch.

Referendums far more capture the general WILL of the public rather than what is the absolute majority opinion. Of course, it would be the other way around, and the pro-cannabis demographic had a higher turnout, really the best way to gauge this is with a very sophisticated study that evenly targets all strata of the voting public, but that's just going to be their opinion.

You may get an honest opinion on which way they intend to vote, but if they will be bothered to actually turn up to vote, that's a self judgement they cannot be reliable on.

But those are the foibles of democracy. Not as bad as Military Dictatorship though.

 

[Theron Julius]

Marijuana is pointless, like alcohol or cigarettes. Doing any of them is stupid.

 

[Xpwn3ntial]

It doesn't matter what the outcome was, marijuana was made illegal most recently by a Supreme Court case. This means you need another Supreme Court case to overturn the decision, making it legal not just in California but in the whole of the United States. It can only be medicinally legal state by state.

 

[TrogzTheTroll]

So you didn't vote, but you're complaining about the outcome? You realize if you DID vote you could have made a difference, and I can guarantee the people who fall into the "I don't vote" category is huge. People who don't vote shouldn't complain about the outcome. You didn't do your part to make a difference, or even attempt to, so why should you be bothered about how it went?

if i voted that would mean my vote still didn't matter by..... 528896 votes against me

yeah, i TOTALLY would have made a difference

Okay ,think of it this way, when your country votes for a president, only HALF the people legal to vote actually do. lets say only half the voted on this as well. Suddenly you're not just one person anymore are you?

Only half the Americans that can vote do, then they ***** about the president. Get off your lazy ass and vote, or shut the fuck up about your apathetic decision to not make a difference

LOL THERE WAS ALREADY A MOVIE ABOUT THAT Omg GET THE POPCORN KIDS ITS MOVIE TIME oh jeez do we use netflix or what? I could drive to the rental store.. think it will be in? Honey where are the keys I think I'll drive to Rent-n-watch. What? Ok I'll pick you up a butterfinger on the way back, but you better start working out because you're not the curvy woman I once fell in love with. Ok back with the movie popthatsuckerin lets get going lets watch this thing. Loading good okay everythings fine nothing can go wrong no-

Boom Power outage. What were we talking about again?

 

[Tdc2182]

Dissapointing. Its due to the whole ad campaigns that destroyed it. Some people just don't realize the benefits of it I guess, and still think it's "The Devil's leaf to Destroy America".

Cool, There's really no reason for M

Yet again, this was for Medical Marijuana. There literally was absolutely no reason for any body to vote against it.

And anyways, stoners are getting there hands on it regardless, why not make it legal? Look as Amsterdam. Extremely low crime rate, marijuana is legal there.

 

[ninjajoeman]

this is why marijuana will never be legal because all the pot smokers don't want to get of their assess and vote.

 

[ThreeDogsToaster]

Drugs should be illegal everywhere, altogether, no matter what kind it is.

And this comes from a guy living in the Netherlands, where the dumbasses who actually get legal weed and such waste their time on the crap.

Is it your job or right to judge weather or not people can waste their time and what on?

 

[Fwee]

1. abotu what heppened?

2. Read the rest of my posts.

3. atleast I voted, atleast I spoke up, and atleast I sided with what I believed in.

4. TL;DR: Don't single out ONE person out of conveniance, read the rest of my posts, and too bad if you don't like the opinions of most of the people in this thread

5. since dealing with the open pot heads being idiots under the viel of "Hey man, pot is legal" would get annoying. I'm looking at it in a short term sense though, as the moment pot became legal, every stoner in montreal (ALOT OF THEM) would be smoking up 24/7, going to work stoned, going to school stoned, and I don't really wanna deal with that, thought I'm sure it would calm down after a bit

I'll start by apologizing for getting into this thread first thing in the morning when I knew this bullshit was going to drive me nuts.

1. Are you high? Spell correctly mofo
2. Oh, sorry Professor I didn't get caught up on all the required reading
3. "AT LEAST"
4. Spelling, spelling, spelling! Read the rest of MY post: you can't spell, you're prejudiced, and screw Montreal. Which leads me to:
5. People from the entire spectrum of human experience imbibe cannabis. Many of them are smart, successful, responsible, and courteous people who contribute every day to society. They can hold down important jobs and raise happy families. AND they vote.
Voting? Look up Gallup's research into voting patterns. If the remaining percentage of voters who didn't show up actually DID get up in the morning and show at the polls? Guess what: The results stay the same because NOT ALL NON-VOTERS VOTE THE SAME WAY.
My problem is not with the person who says Non-voters can't complain, it's with the idea that non-voters can't complain. If someone comes to your house and kicks your toilet off its brackets and your house floods, can't you complain about that? If you participate in voting, you're the one who's contributing to the problem and you have no right to complain.
Gaaaah, I need a break from this...

 

[ANImaniac89]

but is that really going to stop anyone from smoking pot?
I lived in California for almost a year and it was the only time in my life when I have smoked pot (a wealthy friend of mine had the Good shit and a medical card) and I come from/am currently living near a place where getting caught with pot is only a $25 fine if and nothing more, and thats if the cop chooses to be an asshole and give you a ticket in most cases they don't give a shit.

yeah its kind of a joke the prop 19 failed but it really doesn't change anything, People who smoke pot will still smoke pot, and the government just won't be able to collect taxes on it.