So Prop. 19 didnt go through (the one about Legalizing Marijuana)
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It's not bizarre at all, it's a simple question. I'm not asking you if you think ostriches are good poker players, what I'm asking is do you, or do you not, support the irrefutable evidence that early judeo-christian cultures used cannabis oil in anointing ceremonies? Because if you do, your entire argument up to this point becomes invalid. If you don't, you're turning your back on both logic and your religion.Legion IV said:
You're thinking of tobacco there, which has almost all of those chemicals artificially added and is, of course, perfectly legal.Mimsofthedawg said:
I don't see why anyone is surprised. Marijuana is still too much of a taboo thing in our culture for a bill like this one to pass.
But damn....a 7% difference...
But damn....a 7% difference...
The day that a majority of the people who smoke weed actually and honestly want to get it legalized for the benefit of their country rather than get it legalized so they can get high all they want will be the day I vote for it's legalization. Until then, I'm fine with it staying illegal.
Whether you are being sarcastic or not, keep in mind that every friday and saturday night there must be plenty of people partying with obnoxiously loud music and drinking plenty of alcohol somewhere around your house or close to your neighborhood.RamirezDoEverything said:
So try telling me how they have the unalienable right to do that but us who want to smoke pot don't have the right to do so despite being confined in our homes because the law would have been very strict on where it is ok to smoke it.
JSDodd said:
That was my thought as well. When I saw the statistics, I felt slightly better. It wasn't a one-sided issue. People are now starting to wise up and see that marijuana is and never was a substance that was in need of illegalization. Hopefully this measure will be brought up for ballot in the next election and we will finally have the majority vote to have it passed.NeutralDrow said:
It's a shame that it didn't pass. Mind you a fair amount of people voted to have it, but still...I have to go through chemotherapy at the moment, and I would enjoy anything that would make it easier on me, whether it would increase my appetite or just plane help me relax. But I live in Alabama so that's never going to happen legally (I try not to go outside the law for obvious reasons).
Anyone who smokes pot should be glad that this didn't go through or they are acting like a total fucking hypocrite.
You all hate how the governments control people's lives, you hate the sheep that follow what the man tells them to do, but you want nothing more for the Government to control your drug habbits and tell you that it's okay to smoke pot, we don't mind anymore. You want the government to control you, really. You want them to provide you with a substance that you enjoy and love to consume, but you aren't addicted to of course. Addiction is a nasty word. You want the Government to control how much you consume, how much you pay for it and how old you need to be to consume it, because that is freedom. Wanting the Government to control your drug usage is pathetic. It's pretty much saying "I don't mind if you fuck me sideways politicians, just give me what I like and then I'll shut up!" Anyone who puts freedom of choice in the same paragraph with government regulation is a moron and does not care about freedom of choice at all, they just want to get what they want easily. Hell, weed isn't that hard to get if you know the right people, and I'd be willing to bet all of you know the right people. Nah, what is is about (and always has been about) is convenience. Those voting to legalize probably just want to use the lowest amount of enegery possible to get high and they don't care about what they sacrifice on the way, which is pretty pathetic. It's better for smokers to keep it illegal. Sure you might have to run around like a criminal to get it, but at least you aren't being someones ***** to get a drug.
Most people bring up taxation as a good reason for legalization. That makes sense I guess, except that you'll still have a large amount of people growing an illegal crop and selling it for less than the government could charge. The people who bring it over from Mexico or grow it in their back yard will always be able to sell it for less than the Government who would impose taxation on the drug. As a means of 'protest' most stoners will oppose the taxation and buy the cheaper product. I said above that most people will fuck freedom for convenience, but most will fuck convenience for a cheaper product. I suppose it depends on just how cheap it is, but to compete with people who only need to cover to cost of the water and fertilizer to grow the plant the taxation will have to be very, very low to the point that it will be small change to the taxation of cheese. [http://cheese.about.com/b/2009/02/02/roquefort-cheese-tax.htm]
But it will stop crime some people argue. Correction; it will stop one type of crime, that is crime linked with Marijuana. There has been a lot of news recently about the drug violence in Mexico and how the drug cartels pretty much control the north of the country and how many people are being killed. Broken logic will dictate that to fix this problem all we need to do is make Marijuana legal and the problem will go away. Well actually, the problem will go away if you don't buy drugs in the first place, but not many smokers are willing to give up weed over something as petty as human suffering. In the end the problems in Mexico, drug wars and things like that, are a result of the consumer, not the politicians keeping the laws. Don't buy drugs and there will be less people willing to die and kill to get you their product. But even if weed was legalized, there are still other markets for them to tap into. There is cocaine, heroin, meth, ice and weed if people want to cheaper (and most probably laced/stronger) stuff. Prohibition is brought up a lot about how if something isn't illegal it stops being a problem, but what these people forget to mention is how the Mafia turned to racketeering, drugs, weapons, illegal gambling and blackmail to keep their profits up. If weed is made legal, there is no reason for the criminals involved to give up their illegal activities. There will always be a more powerful and more illegal drug for them to follow up on.
Every single postive to legalizing weed has an equal or greater negative. There are a fuck ton of problems involved with legalizing the stuff (for your convenience) and I think that California made the right choice here. I also doubt that anyone will even read this post and if they do than chances are they'll ignore the parts they don't like and assure their own belief that even though they are lazy pot heads willing to fuck over the world for their own needs they are still fighting the good fight.
Eugh, these threads piss me off.
You all hate how the governments control people's lives, you hate the sheep that follow what the man tells them to do, but you want nothing more for the Government to control your drug habbits and tell you that it's okay to smoke pot, we don't mind anymore. You want the government to control you, really. You want them to provide you with a substance that you enjoy and love to consume, but you aren't addicted to of course. Addiction is a nasty word. You want the Government to control how much you consume, how much you pay for it and how old you need to be to consume it, because that is freedom. Wanting the Government to control your drug usage is pathetic. It's pretty much saying "I don't mind if you fuck me sideways politicians, just give me what I like and then I'll shut up!" Anyone who puts freedom of choice in the same paragraph with government regulation is a moron and does not care about freedom of choice at all, they just want to get what they want easily. Hell, weed isn't that hard to get if you know the right people, and I'd be willing to bet all of you know the right people. Nah, what is is about (and always has been about) is convenience. Those voting to legalize probably just want to use the lowest amount of enegery possible to get high and they don't care about what they sacrifice on the way, which is pretty pathetic. It's better for smokers to keep it illegal. Sure you might have to run around like a criminal to get it, but at least you aren't being someones ***** to get a drug.
Most people bring up taxation as a good reason for legalization. That makes sense I guess, except that you'll still have a large amount of people growing an illegal crop and selling it for less than the government could charge. The people who bring it over from Mexico or grow it in their back yard will always be able to sell it for less than the Government who would impose taxation on the drug. As a means of 'protest' most stoners will oppose the taxation and buy the cheaper product. I said above that most people will fuck freedom for convenience, but most will fuck convenience for a cheaper product. I suppose it depends on just how cheap it is, but to compete with people who only need to cover to cost of the water and fertilizer to grow the plant the taxation will have to be very, very low to the point that it will be small change to the taxation of cheese. [http://cheese.about.com/b/2009/02/02/roquefort-cheese-tax.htm]
But it will stop crime some people argue. Correction; it will stop one type of crime, that is crime linked with Marijuana. There has been a lot of news recently about the drug violence in Mexico and how the drug cartels pretty much control the north of the country and how many people are being killed. Broken logic will dictate that to fix this problem all we need to do is make Marijuana legal and the problem will go away. Well actually, the problem will go away if you don't buy drugs in the first place, but not many smokers are willing to give up weed over something as petty as human suffering. In the end the problems in Mexico, drug wars and things like that, are a result of the consumer, not the politicians keeping the laws. Don't buy drugs and there will be less people willing to die and kill to get you their product. But even if weed was legalized, there are still other markets for them to tap into. There is cocaine, heroin, meth, ice and weed if people want to cheaper (and most probably laced/stronger) stuff. Prohibition is brought up a lot about how if something isn't illegal it stops being a problem, but what these people forget to mention is how the Mafia turned to racketeering, drugs, weapons, illegal gambling and blackmail to keep their profits up. If weed is made legal, there is no reason for the criminals involved to give up their illegal activities. There will always be a more powerful and more illegal drug for them to follow up on.
Every single postive to legalizing weed has an equal or greater negative. There are a fuck ton of problems involved with legalizing the stuff (for your convenience) and I think that California made the right choice here. I also doubt that anyone will even read this post and if they do than chances are they'll ignore the parts they don't like and assure their own belief that even though they are lazy pot heads willing to fuck over the world for their own needs they are still fighting the good fight.
Eugh, these threads piss me off.
So marijuana didn't pass. It's not like this will really change anything, who's to say people won't keep doing it.
And as previously mentioned, the most probable reason it didn't pass was because most stoners thought "Well obviously it'll pass so I don't need to vote". Either that or they got too high and forgot.
This doesn't mean I actually like marijuana though
And as previously mentioned, the most probable reason it didn't pass was because most stoners thought "Well obviously it'll pass so I don't need to vote". Either that or they got too high and forgot.
This doesn't mean I actually like marijuana though
So you're trying to tell me that it is physically impossible to get addicted to marijuana? It is possible to get addicted to literally anything if said thing is used repeatedly, even things like television, which is not physically consumed. Christ, I said this exact thing already. Not to mention, my original argument was not even about addiction in an way, but about Prop 19. You know, Prop 19? The thing that this forum is about, rather than about whether marijuana is addictive or not?Gaz6231 said:
Try again when you can smoke in a bar again. Smoking anything makes you practically a pariah these days.
That's certainly the most convincing argument I've ever heard/read (even if you did sound a bit arrogant in it). But still, even though I wasn't for legalization in the first place, you've got some really convincing stuff here, and I thank you for it.Fire Daemon said:
It's really a matter of freedom. The United States has so many problems with it right now it's not even mildly funny. The fact that a case against video game's first amendment rights even made it to the Supreme Court is scary. But the fact that a substance that has been proven non-addictive, much less harmful than already legal substances like tobacco, and to have potential health benefits to those undergoing difficult medical treatments is still illegal to possess and use is bullshit. Things should be legal unless there are reasons for making them illegal.Gaz6231 said:
*shrugs* I honestly can't give a shit about this, seeing as I don't give a shit aboot weed. Hooray for indifference!