Something nobody ever mentions about Assassin's Creed...

[Woodsey]

There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...

Because Altair and his descendants moved around a lot to tackle different Templar threats across the planet (he took his sons to fight Genghis Kahn at one point).

People move around.

And Ezio's great grandfather changed his last name so he could pose as a Noble when he arrived in Italy (I assume that's what you mean when you say "pure-blood").

It's all explained in the game if you look for it.

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...

Immigration...

 

[Zhukov]

Italy was once a major stopping point on the journey between western europe and the holy land.

There is no reason why one of Altair's kids couldn't have migrated.

 

[Squarez]

I was discussing this with my brother earlier, actually.

Because earlier I set the language from English to Italian to make it more authentic, but it also did so to Desmond and co. and I said that if you think about it, it makes more sense that they're Italian too (especially as they somehow drive a van to a villa in Italy) because it means that it makes that an Italian has an Italian ancestor and it's entirely posible that he also had an Israeli ancestor.

 

[Vrach]

There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...

Probably the same way modern day people use bats instead of guns?

 

[shootthebandit]

allow me to explain

Spoiler

when an italian and a middle-eastern love each other very much, the italian puts his boneration into a middle-eastern seperation to increase the population of a future generation

 

[beniki]

Well they're all in Mediterranean. People there are all a bit mixed together. Same with us Brits and people around the North Sea and Northern Europe.

And as for the Italillian-American connection... er, you've at least heard of the God Father right? New York pizza? Joey Triviani?

Ah fagedabout it.

 

[Zanaxal]

A little something called crusades (there were 2). Issued by the pope (yes he reigned from italy), think of it as the modern day iraq wars but just with catholics from most parts of europe.

Also the city of Jerusalem was occupied by Templars forces for several years at a time which were also italians among other.

They probably moved to italy to combat the source disguised as templar troops? not that i care much for video game middle east lore anyhow. I've been busy enough reading stuff like Guillo's Arn.

And also Earlier The Byzantian empire was once with italy included(probably after the fall of roman empire, im no historian) and that also included parts of the middle east.

Point is, europeans have moved around alot then they went to america, not farfetched..

Also the dev's are from france and other european nations, i doubt they will mess around with the historical background history too much.

 

[AWDMANOUT]

They actually explain the transfer between countries in a DLC bit involving the Auditore (spelling?) tomb in Monteggeroni (again, spelling?). One of your ancestors traveled there after Altair with Marco Polo, nonetheless.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Altair had 2 children with that girl who was decoying robert de sable.

Seeing as how Altair was possibly half European anyways (it's said his mother was Christian, and father was Muslim or something), and his child's mother was completely European, it's likely that the children moved to Europe and lived there.

 

[hermes]

Auditore was an assumed name. Ezio's great-great grandfather wasn't a real Italian nobleman; he was using Marco Polo's money to masquerade as such. The bloodline could have come from anywhere before that.

This. The story is included in the Auditore vault in AC2.

Also, no one menction that the Auditore was pure-blood Italian...

 

[hansari]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Italy

When the war for expansion was over, enough muslims stayed behind to make a lasting impression. Same thing with Spain.

History lesson over.

 

[Netrigan]

It's not really that surprising. Cleopatra, the most famous Egyptian Queen of all time, was Greek. There was a lot of movement across the Mediterranean back then. There was Spanish royalty of Moorish descent.

And in the North Atlantic, there's a whole lot of Viking & French in the English genetic background.

In Assassin's Creed II, we learn he impregnated an English woman named Maria Thorpe. Which is pretty much the point. Mix different groups together for whatever reason and nationality can quickly change.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...

They explained that actually, you must not have been paying attention. Altiar met Maria in AC 1. Maria is from Europe. Europe has a country called Italy in it Europe was also commiting the crusades in the Middle East.

Between the timelines of AC 1&2 (cutscene was shown in AC 2) Altiar and Maria had sex to put it bluntly. Maria got preggers. Maria went back to Italy. Auditore ancestry explained.

It was all there in the game, how could you have missed it? it was a pretty lenghty cutscene.

 

[Truly-A-Lie]

It's explained between Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines and AC2's codex pages. Altair moves around the world to deal with Templar threats and sets up in Italy for a while.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

allow me to explain

Spoiler

when an italian and a middle-eastern love each other very much, the italian puts his boneration into a middle-eastern seperation to increase the population of a future generation

other way around

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

I'm looking at all the comments here.

Has no one played AC2?

 

[Ordinaryundone]

Who said the Auditores were full-blooded Italian? Sure, they have the accent, but they also have darker skin and hair than most of the other characters we meet, a clear remnant of their Middle-Eastern heritage. Desmond is what most of us would consider American, but you can still see the Middle-Eastern in him despite nearly 1000 years between him and Altair.

 

[Something Amyss]

A lot can happen in 180 years or so, many generations between then, especially if life expectancy wasn't to be counted on

Not to mention:

Altair wasn't all that dark. Italians are fairly dark for "whites."

There was a lot of immigration into Europe from Africa and the Middle East. People always portray this stuff as though Europe was wholly white, but it really wasn't. Intermingling with someone of "Arabic" descent might be a taboo, but it'd be easy enough to cover. It happened.

NONE of this is surprising, in the end. And when they suggested a Mayan game, people did suddenly start asking "why" and "how."