Something nobody ever mentions about Assassin's Creed...

[Dango]

I could tell you the link between the 3 countries but some people have already stated it and I doubt you want a history lecture...

 

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There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...

That's due to three things:

1): We don't have the whole story, it could all be revealed with time.

2): Their bloodline is never set in stone, at no point have they referenced being of 'pure X' blood.

3): It's a game, it sacrifices many different forms of realism (the whole idea of the conspiracy itself, not to mention the technology) to make it fun, and sometimes the developers just don't care about the little nitty gritty bits like this. I'm not saying they shouldn't bother, I'm saying that it's possible that they just didn't care.

 

[Dogstile]

See I knew there'd be an explanation. But I just couldn't work out how Ezio eventually came from Altairs bloodline.

Also, and this is just me being pedantic now...it kinda bugs me how Altair, Ezio and Desmond all look EXACTLY the same, facial features-wise. I get their all decendants of each other, but it's highly unlikely that 3 guys from one bloodline, especially since all bloodlines get mixed in with everyone else's, would all look visually identical.

and all walk the same way...

I can explain the walking the same way. Desmond does not go back into the animus and just watch, he actually does the actions. So it really is him walking, stabbing, running. Ezio would have probably moved differently if he just watched

 

[kidwithxboxlive]

adoption.
Next question?

 

[maturin]

its not so farfetched, imo... but Ezio is way too pureblood Italian. looking at him and listening to him, he doesnt seem even 1/16th middle eastern.

Not really how ethnicity works. He could be from almost any part of the Mediterranean and fit in visually with native Italians if he was born and raised there. No such thing as homogeneity and pure blood in the old Roman Empire, ffs.

 

[dancinginfernal]

In the Auditore Tomb in AC2 (Uplay "DLC") it shows that Ezio's ancestor was a sailor, which fills us in a bit.

 

[Jon Shannow]

What i find more annoying is the fact that i'm forced to wear a strange suit, they say it's so you can blend in but it seems im the only person in italy who wears something with hood so why can't i dress like the plebs?

 

[Ordinaryundone]

What i find more annoying is the fact that i'm forced to wear a strange suit, they say it's so you can blend in but it seems im the only person in italy who wears something with hood so why can't i dress like the plebs?

Have you taken a look at the clothes those plebs wear? Renaissance Italy was one of the most foppish points in history. Ezio hardly stands out, especially among wealthier folk (armor nonwithstanding).

Though really, the Assassin robes were meant as more of a statement than a disguise. Its very clearly a uniform

 

[ryai458]

At some point the arabs controlled a very large portion of spain so maybe a Itilain helped liberate it and got a little frisky with one of the arab women.

 

[Netrigan]

There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...

You could say that his ancestors migrated to Sicily, and since at one point in history Sicily was an Islamic emirate you could say he converted to Islam, and then when the Italians took it over and expelled the Muslims he went into the Middle East.

I don't know much about Assasin's Creed but that's the best explanation I could think of.

The rich & powerful often marry into prestigious families in other countries.

The British Royal family changed their name to Winsor to hide their German heritage (WWI if I recall correctly). Happened all the time back then. If a prestigious family needed money or protection, they'd marry into it. Give it a couple of generations and it's just part of the family history.

 

[kuyo]

A bigger question I've never seen answered is all the problems with Lucy cutting off her finger. How didn't Vidik notice that? She spends all her time typing, I think it would come up. Seeing how he spends his time rooting around in assassins' minds, he should know exactly what that means. Furthermore, why the hell did she cut off that finger? I thought at the time that the hidden blade had probably become outdated by this time, but AC2 reveals that even in the renaissance they'd figured out how to not cut off the finger. So why the hell would they keep it as a tradition when it only alerts templars to your identity?

She didn't... Bend your ring finger inwards and look at the back of your hand

Okay, then what's up with the ritual burning off the finger in AC2 and bro.hood? I think they just want to imply that Rahm Emanuel is an assassin, but it's the wrong finger.

They aren't burning the finger off, they are branding it with a little Assassin symbol. Sort of catering to tradition without the unnecessary hassle of losing a finger.

that still would be just as hard to overlook and just as pointless

 

[philosophicalbastard]

A bigger question I've never seen answered is all the problems with Lucy cutting off her finger. How didn't Vidik notice that? She spends all her time typing, I think it would come up. Seeing how he spends his time rooting around in assassins' minds, he should know exactly what that means. Furthermore, why the hell did she cut off that finger? I thought at the time that the hidden blade had probably become outdated by this time, but AC2 reveals that even in the renaissance they'd figured out how to not cut off the finger. So why the hell would they keep it as a tradition when it only alerts templars to your identity?

Maybe she had that mark and the only way to get rid of it was to cutoff her finger. The Templars would never suspect an assassin to use such an outdated tradition.

 

[kuyo]

A bigger question I've never seen answered is all the problems with Lucy cutting off her finger. How didn't Vidik notice that? She spends all her time typing, I think it would come up. Seeing how he spends his time rooting around in assassins' minds, he should know exactly what that means. Furthermore, why the hell did she cut off that finger? I thought at the time that the hidden blade had probably become outdated by this time, but AC2 reveals that even in the renaissance they'd figured out how to not cut off the finger. So why the hell would they keep it as a tradition when it only alerts templars to your identity?

Maybe she had that mark and the only way to get rid of it was to cutoff her finger. The Templars would never suspect an assassin to use such an outdated tradition.

No, but if Vidik saw Lucy missing a finger, his first thought is going to be assassin. Abstergo didn't get this far by taking stupid risks. So what if she's good at her job; the game never said she was the only one who could do any of that stuff, just get someone else to do the calibrations or whatever Lucy does until after interrogation/mind probing. Maybe bring in Garrus, he seems down with working for terrorists.

*edit: maybe I should have just made a new thread instead of causing this offshoot.

 

[philosophicalbastard]

A bigger question I've never seen answered is all the problems with Lucy cutting off her finger. How didn't Vidik notice that? She spends all her time typing, I think it would come up. Seeing how he spends his time rooting around in assassins' minds, he should know exactly what that means. Furthermore, why the hell did she cut off that finger? I thought at the time that the hidden blade had probably become outdated by this time, but AC2 reveals that even in the renaissance they'd figured out how to not cut off the finger. So why the hell would they keep it as a tradition when it only alerts templars to your identity?

Maybe she had that mark and the only way to get rid of it was to cutoff her finger. The Templars would never suspect an assassin to use such an outdated tradition.

No, but if Vidik saw Lucy missing a finger, his first thought is going to be assassin. Abstergo didn't get this far by taking stupid risks. So what if she's good at her job; the game never said she was the only one who could do any of that stuff, just get someone else to do the calibrations or whatever Lucy does until after interrogation/mind probing. Maybe bring in Garrus, he seems down with working for terrorists.

*edit: maybe I should have just made a new thread instead of causing this offshoot.

Didn't vidik save Lucy from a Templar hit squad? He probably knew she was an assassin and is simply setting up an elaborate trap. That would also explain why he went after you with a bunch of hired goons with sticks at the end of the second game.

 

[kuyo]

A bigger question I've never seen answered is all the problems with Lucy cutting off her finger. How didn't Vidik notice that? She spends all her time typing, I think it would come up. Seeing how he spends his time rooting around in assassins' minds, he should know exactly what that means. Furthermore, why the hell did she cut off that finger? I thought at the time that the hidden blade had probably become outdated by this time, but AC2 reveals that even in the renaissance they'd figured out how to not cut off the finger. So why the hell would they keep it as a tradition when it only alerts templars to your identity?

Maybe she had that mark and the only way to get rid of it was to cutoff her finger. The Templars would never suspect an assassin to use such an outdated tradition.

No, but if Vidik saw Lucy missing a finger, his first thought is going to be assassin. Abstergo didn't get this far by taking stupid risks. So what if she's good at her job; the game never said she was the only one who could do any of that stuff, just get someone else to do the calibrations or whatever Lucy does until after interrogation/mind probing. Maybe bring in Garrus, he seems down with working for terrorists.

Didn't vidik save Lucy from a Templar hit squad? He probably knew she was an assassin and is simply setting up an elaborate trap. That would also explain why he went after you with a bunch of hired goons with sticks at the end of the second game.

So, Lucy's a double agent and the aliens did a good thing killing her (not that we didn't already think that was a good thing.)
Still, why the hell would they do all this? Rather than trusting Lucy to betray everyone rather than hand the enemy important information, why not take the more secure path and just interrogate the crap out of her and take out every assassin installation she knows of with ninjas and orbital strikes? They have mind probes and space lasers, they don't need double agents and they don't need goons with sticks.
Unless the entire assassin team you're working with are just templars from the theatre department trying to convince you to willingly help, which isn't necessary because everything was working out fine in the first game.

 

[DanielBrown]

I'm Swedish, but I also have some Bulgarian and Indian heritage that's only a few generations back. People don't point it out since it's so damn obvious. People migrate. Derp a derpa.

Just had to answer to a question that was answered a lot of times before.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Assassin's creed takes place in an alternate universe where every major town and place is within a few hours horse ride so I'd say it's probably not that hard since Italy and the Middle East are probably about two days away.

 

[philosophicalbastard]

Didn't vidik save Lucy from a Templar hit squad? He probably knew she was an assassin and is simply setting up an elaborate trap. That would also explain why he went after you with a bunch of hired goons with sticks at the end of the second game.

So, Lucy's a double agent and the aliens did a good thing killing her (not that we didn't already think that was a good thing.)
Still, why the hell would they do all this? Rather than trusting Lucy to betray everyone rather than hand the enemy important information, why not take the more secure path and just interrogate the crap out of her and take out every assassin installation she knows of with ninjas and orbital strikes? They have mind probes and space lasers, they don't need double agents and they don't need goons with sticks.
Unless the entire assassin team you're working with are just templars from the theatre department trying to convince you to willingly help, which isn't necessary because everything was working out fine in the first game.

She isn't a double agent, she was just manipulated by Vidik. Vidik is using you and the assassins to do all the work for him. I'm sure there is something more to Vidik's plans than just retrieving the apple, it probably has something to do with the aliens (though technically they're not aliens).

 

[Blindswordmaster]

Hey, I'm from a large southern family that traces back to an English knight that then traces back to Troy. What sense does that make?!