Something nobody ever mentions about Assassin's Creed...

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Lazarus Long

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Sgt. Sykes said:
After all, you know why Sicilians have darker skins than Italians, right? :p (Who recognizes this reference, gets a cookie.)
Because you are part cantaloupe.
 

Irony's Acolyte

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Who said that Altair and Ezio are directly related to each other? I've got ancestors that I'm related to that aren't related to each other. Desmond might have some Middle Eastern and Italian blood in him coming from his two parents. All just because he's related to the two of them doesn't mean they're related to each other.
 

Brian Hendershot

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Just throwing this out there but the Ottoman Empire was literally next to Italy. I don't know if that could mean anything.
 

irani_che

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I have a few Freinds who are half Palestinian and half Italian or half romanian or half english.

With all the wars in that area the arabs who live there are frequntly displaced and end up in europe
 

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ReservoirAngel said:
There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...
It's actually explained pretty clearly. Maria (the woman you almost kill instead of the final target in AC1) gets knocked up by Altair in a cutscene in AC2. The codex in AC2 also mentions how Maria went back to Italy. This then leads on to Ezio's family and since America is just a melting pot of races then it's likely they moved over there at some point.
 

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kuyo said:
MagicBucket said:
kuyo said:
A bigger question I've never seen answered is all the problems with Lucy cutting off her finger. How didn't Vidik notice that? She spends all her time typing, I think it would come up. Seeing how he spends his time rooting around in assassins' minds, he should know exactly what that means. Furthermore, why the hell did she cut off that finger? I thought at the time that the hidden blade had probably become outdated by this time, but AC2 reveals that even in the renaissance they'd figured out how to not cut off the finger. So why the hell would they keep it as a tradition when it only alerts templars to your identity?
She didn't... Bend your ring finger inwards and look at the back of your hand :)
Okay, then what's up with the ritual burning off the finger in AC2 and bro.hood? I think they just want to imply that Rahm Emanuel is an assassin, but it's the wrong finger.
They aren't burning the finger off, they are branding it with a little Assassin symbol. Sort of catering to tradition without the unnecessary hassle of losing a finger.
 

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A lot can happen in 180 years or so, many generations between then, especially if life expectancy wasn't to be counted on
"Good job explaining, Hobo."
"Heres a sharpened tooth brush shank for your travels."
 

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ReservoirAngel said:
Ezio came from Altairs bloodline.
Wait! What?! They're related?! I only just got the second one and haven't played the first one, so I know nothing about what is going on.
 

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the arabs occupied sicily for a long time, plus venice, genoa, pisa all traded a lot with the middle east, so the idea isn't too far fetched
 

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Assassin travel the world. Plain and simple. Who knows how much midevil booty Altiar's child tapped when we was travling the world.
Yeah, but you can't get pregnant that way...(Cue awkward silence)
 

DarkRyter

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Ezio is descending from Altair AND Maria. You know, the Christian white lady from Europe?

Not hard to believe an Italian would come from her line at some point or another.
 

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ReservoirAngel said:
There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...
the middle eastern man as a crusader, most crusaders were originally european, he went home. then the family emigrated to the us with the mafia.
 

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its not so farfetched, imo... but Ezio is way too pureblood Italian. looking at him and listening to him, he doesnt seem even 1/16th middle eastern.

i guess Maria would have to have had a daughter, who married an Auditore, and Ezio is like their great grandson.
 

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ReservoirAngel said:
There's just a minor thing I've never seen ANYONE, despite whatever criticisms they throw around, mention at all about the Assassin's Creed series, and it's this:

How is a modern-day American man decended from an Italian nobleman, who is himself decended from a Middle Eastern bloke?

The Italian-to-American thing I can understand, but I'm not currently aware off any historical link between Italians and Middle Easterns that would allow a Middle Eastern bloke to have pure-blood Italian ancestors a few generations later.

There probably is an answer to this, but to me right now it seems massively unreal...
Not that I know the real back story but Altair and Ezio don't have to be directly related to each other in order to both be related to Desmond they could just be great great great and great grand parents of Kids who become Apart of Desmond's Family wouldn't even need to be at the same point in history.

Edit: Also Anyone could be/gain the Guild of Assassin's I think those two just happened to be best/biggest ones of their times.
 

Aesir23

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Well, considering there's at least a 250 year gap between Altair and Ezio, that's a lot of time for Altair's descendants to go to Italy. If you read the writings on the wall of the Auditore crypt in Monteriggioni in AC2 (Part of the map pack DLC) it'll detail how the Auditores came to be in Italy. And the time gap between Ezio and Desmond is around 500 years so that's more than enough time for the bloodline to immigrate to America.

Not to mention Bloodlines (PSP) basically has Altair travelling to Cyprus (Greece) in 1192 AD.

So with all that brought together, it's pretty plausible for the bloodline to go from the Middle East (Israel presumably) to Italy to the U.S.

Also, no one ever said they were pure-blooded Italians. :)
 

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Nothing proves Altair is even an Arab. His biography only says his father was Muslim and his mother was Christian and that sometime in his childhood he left to join the assassins. That leaves a lot open to interpretation. Even his name could have been something his parents used as a sign of piety or something he adopted when he came into an order of Arabic hitmen. He could easily be a full-blooded Greek.

Add on 200 years between the two games and an, as far as I know, heavily implied relationship with some girl in a tower in the first game, there's no reason one of his descendants couldn't be adopted or married into the Auditore family. Especially if they're assassins themselves.

Full-blooded Italian is a pretty loaded term, anyway. The peninsula has seen its share of invaders. If you go to the Northern parts people look different than the Southern parts because of different histories.
 

maturin

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Muslims conquered Sicily. The world is more complex and interesting than most people realize. The end.
 

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ReservoirAngel said:
See I knew there'd be an explanation. But I just couldn't work out how Ezio eventually came from Altairs bloodline.

Also, and this is just me being pedantic now...it kinda bugs me how Altair, Ezio and Desmond all look EXACTLY the same, facial features-wise. I get their all decendants of each other, but it's highly unlikely that 3 guys from one bloodline, especially since all bloodlines get mixed in with everyone else's, would all look visually identical.

and all walk the same way...
But they actually don't. What we see of the assassins is Desmond himself in the animus, not the ancestors as they were. Or at least that's what I thought when I first played the games. I might be quite wrong though.
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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I think It's all to do with migration, and Altair was maybe only distantly related to Ezio's family.

Besides, Altair travelled all over the world, as shown on the codex map.