Sony is Doing Their Damn Job

[Awexsome]

I've been on Sony's side ever since the Geohotz debate, let alone having a bunch of cyber-criminals intrude into their network. Facts have been made up on both sides during the whole thing so it comes down to me trusting a legally liable company than a bunch of criminals on the internet.

 

[Defense]

And, by the by, they were running up to date software as well.

That's just as much speculation as the original statement that they were running old software in the first place. Just like how the guy (Stafford or something, I can't be assed to go look his name up now) admitted he can't be 100% positive of what saying, the guy who went looking around in Google archives for some server message on a Playstation site said he can't be certain he's right either.

Stop taking the latest rumor of the day and spreading it around as fact, please.

http://bitmob.com/articles/detective-work-reveals-psn-servers-up-to-date
agh, damn it nevermind, didn't read your whole message. I don't think it's wrong though, especially since lying about their security to Congress would create even more trouble.

And, by the by, they were running up to date software as well.

If they have no damn firewall, they're software could be from the fucking future and it wouldn't make a bit of difference, now would it?

Bottom line is that this could have been avoided, had they just done the bare essentials of their job before this happened. So of course they're doing their job now...they kinda want to avoid being a COMPLETE failure as a company.

They showed at their press conference that the hackers bypassed 3 firewalls. They could be lying, but they hardly have good PR as it is. And lying to Congress is usually frowned upon.

 

[Fidelias]

Well, my problem is that Sony shouldn't have been able to be hacked in the first place. I know someone who does major work on keeping corporate business systems working. They have tons of requirements and testing all the time so that something like this doesn't happen. Nobody who didn't leak information from the inside should've been able to hack Sony, Sony just got lazy and tried to cut corners.

Now don't get me wrong, the hackers definitely should be held accountable, but the truth is this shouldn't have happened.

 

[FalloutJack]

They'll be fine. The funny part is that this may be the end of Anonymous as we know it.

 

[Trolldor]

They'll be fine. The funny part is that this may be the end of Anonymous as we know it.

I've heard that before. Several times. I'd need a few more hands to count it on my fingers.

Well, my problem is that Sony shouldn't have been able to be hacked in the first place. I know someone who does major work on keeping corporate business systems working. They have tons of requirements and testing all the time so that something like this doesn't happen. Nobody who didn't leak information from the inside should've been able to hack Sony, Sony just got lazy and tried to cut corners.

Now don't get me wrong, the hackers definitely should be held accountable, but the truth is this shouldn't have happened.

You're confusing "shouldn't" with "not possible".
The Sony market is simply too tempting not to attack. The hackers quite successfully used the attacks by Anonymous as disguise to steal that information.

 

[FalloutJack]

They'll be fine. The funny part is that this may be the end of Anonymous as we know it.

I've heard that before. Several times. I'd need a few more hands to count it on my fingers.

And I'm getting tired of nay-sayers and doom-propheteers. Notice a pattern here? The fact is, I see a ton of people seeing the glass as not just half-empty, but GONE. And for any substantial reason? Hell no. I've been watching these arguments and the only thing I can say is "Give it a rest.". Let Sony look after Sony.

 

[Nomanslander]

Honestly, to me this is still the year for the PS3.

As much of an inconvenience this all PSN coming back up is. I'm still looking forward to the line up of games. Xbox360 hasn't really blown me away this year with Gears3 as much as I'm looking forward to it....=/

 

[Nieroshai]

They'll be fine. The funny part is that this may be the end of Anonymous as we know it.

Surprised this was actually said. Not only is their popularity dropping like a stone from this, they're also having an internal revolt because some Anon admin started a heirarchy as his personal Anon "hit squad" and the other Anons want the heirarchy gone so they can go back to the Robin Hood days of Anon instead of attacking companies' customers.

 

[Grotch Willis]

Well they dug their own grave when that buttclown Kevin Butler posted the PS3 jailbreak code on his twitter account.

 

[TelHybrid]

Oh joy... yet another Sony defence thread.

They're a big multi-billion dollar industry. They don't need defending.

Also http://www.gamebreakers.co/video-game-news.asp?article=281&Sony%27s%20PSN%20was%20Unsecure%20and%20Unsafe

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/05/psn-servers-were-unpatched-and-had-no-firewall-installed-secu/

"had an unpatched and outdated verison of Apache with no firewall in place"

Not exactly "up to date software".

Consumers have a right to be pissed off, leave them to it. I haven't yet seen a single "let's boycott Sony" thread, or anything along those lines. Generally the fan base have taken it quite well, and made a bit of a meme of it. It's people like you OP, stirring shit up.

Quite frankly I'm pissed off that not only did Sony allow my details to get stolen, they didn't do a good enough job to protect them in the first place.

Stop making whiney threads defending Sony, especially when you're obviously talking out of your ass.

Edit: Just looked at OP's name. Damn it... >.<

 

[robobengt]

Oh joy... yet another Sony defence thread.

They're a big multi-billion dollar industry. They don't need defending.

Also http://www.gamebreakers.co/video-game-news.asp?article=281&Sony%27s%20PSN%20was%20Unsecure%20and%20Unsafe

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/05/psn-servers-were-unpatched-and-had-no-firewall-installed-secu/

"had an unpatched and outdated verison of Apache with no firewall in place"

Not exactly "up to date software".

Consumers have a right to be pissed off, leave them to it. I haven't yet seen a single "let's boycott Sony" thread, or anything along those lines. Generally the fan base have taken it quite well, and made a bit of a meme of it. It's people like you OP, stirring shit up.

Quite frankly I'm pissed off that not only did Sony allow my details to get stolen, they didn't do a good enough job to protect them in the first place.

Stop making whiney threads defending Sony, especially when you're obviously talking out of your ass.

Edit: Just looked at OP's name. Damn it... >.<

Or...you could actually read some of the links provided so you wouldn't have to post links to people making unsubstantiated claims and using that info to form your opinion.

 

[Trolldor]

Oh joy... yet another Sony defence thread.

They're a big multi-billion dollar industry. They don't need defending.

Also http://www.gamebreakers.co/video-game-news.asp?article=281&Sony%27s%20PSN%20was%20Unsecure%20and%20Unsafe

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/05/psn-servers-were-unpatched-and-had-no-firewall-installed-secu/

"had an unpatched and outdated verison of Apache with no firewall in place"

Not exactly "up to date software".

Consumers have a right to be pissed off, leave them to it. I haven't yet seen a single "let's boycott Sony" thread, or anything along those lines. Generally the fan base have taken it quite well, and made a bit of a meme of it. It's people like you OP, stirring shit up.

Quite frankly I'm pissed off that not only did Sony allow my details to get stolen, they didn't do a good enough job to protect them in the first place.

Stop making whiney threads defending Sony, especially when you're obviously talking out of your ass.

Edit: Just looked at OP's name. Damn it... >.<

Hey, here's a link you could try reading as well:

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/09/report-sonys-psn-servers-were-up-to-date/

Guess which of the two views have any evidence at all to support them.

Oh, and the guy at congress suggested that Sony 'may have been', not 'they were', at least as far as the initial articles suggested.

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

The rampant speculation, naive scaremongering, and self-righteous whining is getting obnoxious.

Even with the best security, these things happen. There are plenty of people trying to manage this against any company as large as Sony and it's pretty inevitable that a vulnerability will be found even in the best systems from time to time. They've managed the situation pretty well all things considered. I can't really see how they could have done a better job.

And I think the lack of PSN service is mostly your fault - you, all of the complainers and speculators. They've been put in a position where they need to look like they're really working hard to fix things even though there's a very good chance that nothing predictable went wrong and it's almost assuredly a very simple fix relative to how large a scandal people have made this. Changing security software on the servers doesn't take this long, which means they're doing more major changes, largely to assuage the unrealistic fears that have now been created. It makes me sad to think that people are likely being fired over this just to slake the public's uninformed, naive thirst for blood.

 

[erbkaiser]

I don't mind if the store remains down for the time being, but as many services on the PS3 and even some games (or parts of them) or depending on PSN being live, I hope at least the logging in part will go back up really soon.
Perhaps one lesson Sony can take from this is to make their other online services less dependent on a centralized login server, so that if PSN goes down again in the future the impact can be lessened somewhat. Especially for games and services that use their own servers and are not dependent on PSN for anything but authentication, this might be replaced by perhaps a local fallback in the future.

And yeah I am annoyed that my personal data might now be in the hands of criminals, but that is becoming an unavoidable risk given how much must be shared with multiple parties these days. This time it happened to Sony, but even banks and governments have been successfully hacked before so it's not like I blame Sony for being the victim here. The steps they are taking seem to me to be good ones, so I hope that this scenario will not occur again.

 

[deleted_by_strongbad]

First, as consumers, we should always be demanding of the corporations we like, we have to want perfect flawless products and cry havok when it doesn't happen or else we get coke 2, so screw the idea of not criticizing a major corporation. They get paid to sell us good services if they aren't always doing that they aren't doing their jobs.

Second, from the perspective of ANY area of IT, down time == death. Look at any major corporation's network to client relationship, if say Geico's network went down for 2 weeks I can guarantee they would have an employee purging and maybe even farm out their network to a third party while they get their ducks in a row. To not put Sony to the coals for this amount of downtime is ridiculous.

I don't have a ps3, I don't personally care about the breach, sony, geohotz, but I can't believe it when gamers become the most complacent consumers.

 

[TelHybrid]

Oh joy... yet another Sony defence thread.

They're a big multi-billion dollar industry. They don't need defending.

Also http://www.gamebreakers.co/video-game-news.asp?article=281&Sony%27s%20PSN%20was%20Unsecure%20and%20Unsafe

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/05/psn-servers-were-unpatched-and-had-no-firewall-installed-secu/

"had an unpatched and outdated verison of Apache with no firewall in place"

Not exactly "up to date software".

Consumers have a right to be pissed off, leave them to it. I haven't yet seen a single "let's boycott Sony" thread, or anything along those lines. Generally the fan base have taken it quite well, and made a bit of a meme of it. It's people like you OP, stirring shit up.

Quite frankly I'm pissed off that not only did Sony allow my details to get stolen, they didn't do a good enough job to protect them in the first place.

Stop making whiney threads defending Sony, especially when you're obviously talking out of your ass.

Edit: Just looked at OP's name. Damn it... >.<

Hey, here's a link you could try reading as well:

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/09/report-sonys-psn-servers-were-up-to-date/

Guess which of the two views have any evidence at all to support them.

Oh, and the guy at congress suggested that Sony 'may have been', not 'they were', at least as far as the initial articles suggested.

That "evidence" within the article lead to bad links.

I stand by the computer sciences professor.

 

[TelHybrid]

Oh joy... yet another Sony defence thread.

They're a big multi-billion dollar industry. They don't need defending.

Also http://www.gamebreakers.co/video-game-news.asp?article=281&Sony%27s%20PSN%20was%20Unsecure%20and%20Unsafe

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/05/psn-servers-were-unpatched-and-had-no-firewall-installed-secu/

"had an unpatched and outdated verison of Apache with no firewall in place"

Not exactly "up to date software".

Consumers have a right to be pissed off, leave them to it. I haven't yet seen a single "let's boycott Sony" thread, or anything along those lines. Generally the fan base have taken it quite well, and made a bit of a meme of it. It's people like you OP, stirring shit up.

Quite frankly I'm pissed off that not only did Sony allow my details to get stolen, they didn't do a good enough job to protect them in the first place.

Stop making whiney threads defending Sony, especially when you're obviously talking out of your ass.

Edit: Just looked at OP's name. Damn it... >.<

Or...you could actually read some of the links provided so you wouldn't have to post links to people making unsubstantiated claims and using that info to form your opinion.

I have, and quite frankly I'll trust the professor of computer sciences over some random person on a forum posting articles that lead to bad urls.

Also I stand by what I say that it's fact that consumers have a right to be pissed off. Stop being such a butthurt fanboy, ok?

 

[Aphex Demon]

I do agree with the OP actually, although they brought this shit storm on themselves, I do feel kinda' sympathetic for them.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

Yeah, and so was BP.

I'm sorry, but the bitching is justified, because this NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

 

[The Cake Is Annoying]

I lol'd at sony initially, but now I just feel sorry for them. Sony deserves better from its public whining about how their network is down.
It is down because Sony is trying to get the service working, not trying to get it back up. They could have put it up a day after they took it down but they'd rather find the flaws and secure their shit.
And, by the by, they were running up to date software as well.

And no, I don't own a PS3 and I don't plan to.

Sony is doing their damn job? They're closing the stable door after the horse bolted off with approximately 77,000,000 user's private information.

But that doesn't change the fact that you're right. YES. Put it back together better and learn from the lessons, so this stops being the "New Coke" moment of consoles. YES. And it really shouldn't need saying.

Sorry, pissed off Sega fanboy here who misses seeing their bits of circuit board hiding plastic with their logo on them. It bothers me that the Saturn & Dreamcast get made fun of as failures when the likes of the biggest personal information leaks are caused by the likes other consoles.

One day I'll evolve and not even be mad.