Sony Slams Wii, 360 For Offering Less Value Than PS3

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DarthKaos666 said:
The question mark is this: Will the PS3 really be able to produce games that can not be duplicated on other systems? If the exclusives being released can demonstrate that the PS3 is the most powerful console, the price gets dropped, and PS2 owners jump in, developers will swing back to concentrating on maximizing the power of the PS3.
You said it right there.
Atm, Sony are not showing us any reasons why we should buy the PS3 and it's awesome hardware, as it's awesome hardware is no where near being used at full capacity. When it is, then it's worth paying the huge excess.

I think Sony are just aiming their console at a too small audience (the big rich fatcats that love big, new, shiny things mostly) and relied on the popularity of the PS2 to sell it for them.
 

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Omega 2521 said:
2. I don't own any Blu-ray movies.
so you never bought a dvd player because you never owned a dvd player? that's a stupid reason because i'm sure once you got a dvd player you also got dvds as well, so if you had a blu-ray player you'd get blu-ray movies

Harbinger_ said:
1: Sony right now is guilty of nothing that other companies haven't done in the past. Yes it is mudslinging and everyone is guilty of it just like the majority of posters in this thread. If you can't take it then grow an extra layer of skin.
yup once again it's "omg evil sony look at what horrible stuff they're doing" when everyone else has done the same thing in the past
No, well personally, I have never purchased a DVD player nor have had any reason to do so.
 

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I don't get it guys, they are talking about price-tag comparison and they aren't too far off, and this whole "witch one is better" shit should stay in the original post, if you want to act all holier than thou then stick to it and don't fan the flames that original post sparked.

All you have to do to make a product not seem good is to downplay it.

"OMG BLU-RAY IS USELESS! I don't even see the difference! A DVD is just fine."

"PS3 DOESN'T COME WITH THE 10 DOLLAR HD CABLES YOU CAN BUY AT FRYS OR BEST BUY! Sony is SHIT"

"No backwards compatability! (this applies to both)"

"At least I pay for QUALITY with Xbox Live! hurr fucking hurr"

"I know someone who doesn't like this system, and prefers the other system, therefore, that system is better."

Obviously, no one gives a shit unless it's a pissing contest like this one.

Hell, I know people who have spent 400-500 dollars on xbox's, so it's really the arcade's price tag that makes the xbox look like it's "super duper cheap!"

-and remember, calling someone a fanboy before they call you one still makes you a fanboy.
 

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ElArabDeMagnifico said:
I don't get it guys, they are talking about price-tag comparison and they aren't too far off, and this whole "witch one is better" shit should stay in the original post, if you want to act all holier than thou then stick to it and don't fan the flames that original post sparked.

All you have to do to make a product not seem good is to downplay it.

"OMG BLU-RAY IS USELESS! I don't even see the difference! A DVD is just fine."

"PS3 DOESN'T COME WITH THE 10 DOLLAR HD CABLES YOU CAN BUY AT FRYS OR BEST BUY! Sony is SHIT"

"No backwards compatability! (this applies to both)"

"At least I pay for QUALITY with Xbox Live! hurr fucking hurr"

"I know someone who doesn't like this system, and prefers the other system, therefore, that system is better."

Obviously, no one gives a shit unless it's a pissing contest like this one.

Hell, I know people who have spent 400-500 dollars on xbox's, so it's really the arcade's price tag that makes the xbox look like it's "super duper cheap!"

-and remember, calling someone a fanboy before they call you one still makes you a fanboy.
Um... excuse me but it seems to me as if you're fanning the flames of some of the posts on here. Isn't that specifically what you're asking the rest of us not to do? Just pointing it out thats all.
 

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and then you twist my words when I try to put the flames out. Thanks bud. I'll just see myself out while everything is on fire. I know when I'm not wanted.
 

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Omega 2521 said:
No, well personally, I have never purchased a DVD player nor have had any reason to do so.
if you own a 360 and/or a ps2 you own a dvd player cause both are dvd players
 

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What I love is people who rush to topics like these to wave their Nintendo flags, because Nintendrones see the current market situation as just desserts for Sony for having the audacity to knock Nintendo off of the mountain top with the PS1. I love it when people make blanket statements like. "The Wii is more fun!", "The Wii has a better online system.", The Wii has a larger install base.", "The Wii has cured several types of cancer and will bring us the advent of intergalactic travel." and so forth. The problem with statements like these is that they are half-truths at best and out and out lies at worst.

The Wii isn't all that fun. I mean it's fun for a couple days, but it quickly wears out it's welcome. Of course if you're a 6 year-old pokemon fanatic or an 80 year bowling granny then you're probably running your Wii ragged and haven't turned it off since you purchased it.

Wii Online is awful. Anyone who's played SSBB can tell you this as Nintendo measures the success of SSBB in the number of crashed wi-fi matches. Granted Mario Kart Wii had slightly better online, but it was still no stranger to the mid-race wi-fi crash. At this point I had given up on the Wii so I really don't have any other examples.

Yah, the Wii may have a larger install base. Aiming for people who don't play games seems like a nose-pickingly idiotic idea on paper, but for some reason people who hate gaming keep buying the Wii in droves. Funny thing about the Wii is, that aside from your hardcore Nintendo supporters most Wii owners only have purchased Wii Play and Wii Fit. So what's the point of cashing in thousands of systems when you're not selling any games. Unless you're plan was to point at the NPD numbers and do a little dance because you think it justifies your position when it just tells actual gamers who you kicked in the teeth at E3 that you're doing it wrong.

PS3 is not without it's problems. Yah, it needs more exclusives. And I think that's kind of sad because I was kind of hoping we could get to a point in gaming where Microsoft and Sony would be able to exchange a good portion of their games to each other, but I guess that defeats the point of competition. I'm not an economist, mind you, but I guess I just have a utopian vision where all gamers can play games in harmony without all this silly console bravado, but then all you fanboys would have to find something new to ***** about.
What I love is people who rush to topics like these waving their Sony flags because Sony fans arrogantly believe they know everything about what their competition is thinking. Saying blanket statements like "They think it's just desserts for the PS1!" and "Home is actually good!" and "We don't need backwards compatibility!" and "Blu-Ray is the future!" and "Ports to the PS3 don't suck!" and "Folding @ Home really and seriously will cure cancer through the magical cell processor, you guys!" and so forth. The problem with statements like these is that they are half-truths at best and out and out lies at worst.

I highly doubt every single person, even every single person who likes Nintendo, is thinking about the PS1 at a time like this. Granted we can blame Sony and the PS1 for fostering in the culture of arrogance that dominates gaming today, and led to mass e-peen waving before XBox Live was even a glint in Bill Gates' money-grubbing eye, but no, I doubt people are thinking about the PS1.

Wii Online has never given me a single problem. Perhaps it is because I don't spend my time wangsting about things that got changed from version to version of a game. And since I have played SSBB online without problems, I think we can easily point out that since I must count as a "someone" out of "anyone" that one cannot say a phrase like "Anyone who's played SSBB can tell you this as Nintendo measures the success of SSBB in the number of crashed wi-fi matches"

Number of Crashed Wi-Fi matches for me? Zero. Moving on.

Wii not fun? Oh I guess I must be some kind of goober for playing Metroid Prime 3 and SSBB, and Mario Kart Wii, and Rock Band (friend's Wii since I own a 360 as well), and Metal Slug Anthology. Granted the Wii does not get as much play time as it used to but I still play it, and I still have fun with it. And seeing as how I've been gaming for over 19 years I really don't see how anybody is allowed to tell me my business on what I play, on what platform I play it on, and if I'm enjoying myself. I own a 360, a Wii, a PS2, and a DS. I enjoy all of them equally. I will not ever be buying a PS3 because of experiences with the company itself and because none of the exclusives interest me enough to justify another $400-$500 purchase.

Sony has tried to corner an HD Market that really doesn't exist yet. Speaking from the perspective of someone who doesn't "get" HD in any sense, why would I want a blu-ray player? Especially when DVDs are still strong? Simple Answer: I wouldn't. I would like a games console but not only do I have those already, but the PS3 seems to be some sort of movie downloading machine that connects to a bland and uninteresting version of second life, at least that's what the most recent ads might have you think (the first part more than the second)

I could go on and on and talk about how Sony has lied to its own fans about every little thing they couldn't possibly do for the PS3, like get rumble in its controllers. And I could go on and on about how Sony the company has a history of pathological lying and attempted media monopolizing that is known to me personally. But really I just want to get down to brass tacks, and the crux of my counterpoint

You, Mr. Esteemed poster I have quoted, do not think for anybody but yourself. If you are going to attempt to tell me how I should be enjoying my gaming experiences and what platforms I should be buying, then you are doing nothing more than proving the dissenting opinion regarding this stupid chart Sony has come up with. And if you're going to go act like a fanboy while decrying fanboys? Well you just look silly, now don't you.

*is aware of the hypocrisy*
 

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As much of a bane as it would probably be for the economics of video games I think alot of this flaming could very much be resolved if all three companies worked together or vowed to never make a game again.
 

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They can argue that the system itself is great, however, the XBox 360 has more games out for it that interest me, ergo, I have an XBox 360, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks like this.
 
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I'm going to try not to be a fanboy by saying this, but the PS3 really does not interest me at all. The only Metal Gear Solid game I enjoyed was 3, and I never finished the others, so MGS4 is out. LBP might be fun...but that's really it for me. And one game, maybe more in the future, is not enough of a reason for me to buy a console this expensive.
 

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"The Wii's lack of enhanced features comes at the expense of a comprehensive entertainment solution," the statement continued.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoyp71xw3w (mostly SFW)
 

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cikame said:
controllers with vibration, thats an additional purchase for the ps3.
WRONG! The DualShock 3 is now standard with the PS3.
We might want a moderator in here at all times to stop this once the flaming starts.
 
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Indigo_Dingo said:
thebobmaster said:
I'm going to try not to be a fanboy by saying this, but the PS3 really does not interest me at all. The only Metal Gear Solid game I enjoyed was 3, and I never finished the others, so MGS4 is out. LBP might be fun...but that's really it for me. And one game, maybe more in the future, is not enough of a reason for me to buy a console this expensive.
You seriously don't finbd anything entertaining about a ferret wielding a nuclear weapon?
Are you talking about Ratchet and Clank? That's a series I've thought about starting, but haven't, so it isn't a factor one way or another.
 

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Harbinger_ said:
*sighs* After reading all of this I figure I might as well throw my hat into the ring but then I realized I don't wear a hat so I figure I'll throw my controller instead.

1: Sony right now is guilty of nothing that other companies haven't done in the past. Yes it is mudslinging and everyone is guilty of it just like the majority of posters in this thread. If you can't take it then grow an extra layer of skin.

2: It's all well and fine to complain about a lack of exclusive titles on the Playstation 3 but if you know how video games are made you realize that the companies that make the games get to ask the big-wigs ((Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony.))

Whether they want the game or not. They are under no obligation to put it simply to one company and to generate more fans of their work and get more revenue they'll more than likely want to put it on more than one console.

3: In my humble opinion from what I seen of the chart Sony is simply mentioning what is available out of the box. We should all also remember that due to people all being different and special... ((Unless you're a clone.)) That we all like different things in our consoles so the people that don't use Wi-Fi are understandably not going to be caring too much about it.

The same for the titles that a console has with it. Personally I can't stand the Wiimote and I really don't like having to pay to play online like with Microsoft but I also can't stand the fact that Sony dropped the ball on backwards compatibility. It's called preference and having an opinion and people shouldn't be penalized for it.

All the systems are good in their own way:

The Wii offers more simple enjoyable games to a larger demographic at a more affordable price but with lower additional options for the gaming enthusist.

The 360 offers a middle-ground melting pot of enjoyable games to a somewhat smaller demographic at a somewhat higher price with some more options.

The PS3 offers to virtually the same demographic as the 360 but due to the larger amount of options available with it the price is understandably higher.

Demanding of a company that they lower the price of their console to make you happy is not a good way to go about things. Thats like demanding an ice cream vendor to put more ice cream in the scoop because you simply want more. The more things that are added into a console and the more goods and services that come with it logically means that the price is going to be higher.

At one time I owned a Playstation 3 and I owned a 360. I used to play a Nintendo Wii my roommate owned regularly. I ended up selling my 360 because I didn't want to pay for XBL(A) and at the time Gears of War and Mass Effect were coming to the PC with Bioshock on the horizon for the PS3.

As I mentioned before I don't like the Wii's controller and I already own all of the older games so there wasn't really any appeal for the Wii to me. I had a library of PS2 games and I managed to get my claws on a 60GB and I enjoyed it until I unfortunately had to sell it to keep up with bills.

I still miss the 360 for some of the games it had and I still sometimes enjoy playing a game or two on the Wii but I miss my PS3 the most. I had fun with all the consoles so simply saying one provides more fun really depends on what I've been trying to mention all along.

PREFERENCE!
I approve of this statement because I own a PS3, 360, and a really powerful PC but I prefer to play my PS3 over all of them because of the free online, my huge library of PS2 games, and my blu ray movies. For all of you saying blu ray is useless, give me a break okay? Like Harbinger_ said its all preference and my PS3 gave me more bang for my buck so I give it more attention.
 

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*snip* A lot of interesting arguments, but it became a bit unwieldy.

y8c616 said:
I too think both consoles are good, though i prefer the ps3 myself, and im no fanboy,Il admit the ps3 has faults; biggest of all is the rice- no matter how much more functionality it has, it wont sway an on-the-fence consumer. The ps3 upscales dvds and ps2 games as well; while better than standard, it still isnt quite as high quality as blu ray. The difference is visible on any HDTV 1080i or above i think.
The wifi works fine; i think ive lost connection once or twice, when i was having issues with my ISP, so not really the ps3's fault. Also, everyone says that live is better than psn, but ive seen no proof. From what ive seen, live is slightly more polished, but for all the money it makes, it should be. Psn has plenty of exclusive dlc, and you can browse the web on it.
The extra £10 i spent on my Gold plated sony HDMI lead is'nt much of an issue really, seeing as i have a comparable online service free, saving me £50 a year.
All that is just extras though; most people buy consoles for exclusives, and i got my ps3 for MGS4, in the same way that im sure many people got their 360's for halo3
I'm sorry. I know this is just a typo, but I damn well near spewed coffee in my lap top seeing this image in my head of my PS3 having issues with the rice. For some reason it's the funniest thing I've seen in a while. And it's not even funny. Anyway, sorry.

Other than that, well I enjoy my PS3 and I like the Wi-fi and my 320 gig of HDD. It allows me to have my music on the PS3 and clearing up some much needed space on the computer (which incidentally I couldn't afford to upgrade on account of buying the PS3). Hehe. Goes to show.
I honestly don't know which console comes with the best features out of the box. For my needs it was the PS3 with Wi-fi and cheap HDD upgrades, but for others it may well be other things. Oh, and also, I have a hard time paying to play online. I really don't feel like I should have to. It's for that reason I don't play MMO's and stuff like that. I won't pay to use a product I already bought so to speak. But again, that's just me. I'm sure Live is great, but I refuse to pay. Each to his own. (At some point I will get a 360 though. There are some games I wanna play.)
 

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teh_gunslinger said:
*snip* A lot of interesting arguments, but it became a bit unwieldy.

y8c616 said:
I too think both consoles are good, though i prefer the ps3 myself, and im no fanboy,Il admit the ps3 has faults; biggest of all is the rice- no matter how much more functionality it has, it wont sway an on-the-fence consumer. The ps3 upscales dvds and ps2 games as well; while better than standard, it still isnt quite as high quality as blu ray. The difference is visible on any HDTV 1080i or above i think.
The wifi works fine; i think ive lost connection once or twice, when i was having issues with my ISP, so not really the ps3's fault. Also, everyone says that live is better than psn, but ive seen no proof. From what ive seen, live is slightly more polished, but for all the money it makes, it should be. Psn has plenty of exclusive dlc, and you can browse the web on it.
The extra £10 i spent on my Gold plated sony HDMI lead is'nt much of an issue really, seeing as i have a comparable online service free, saving me £50 a year.
All that is just extras though; most people buy consoles for exclusives, and i got my ps3 for MGS4, in the same way that im sure many people got their 360's for halo3
I'm sorry. I know this is just a typo, but I damn well near spewed coffee in my lap top seeing this image in my head of my PS3 having issues with the rice. For some reason it's the funniest thing I've seen in a while. And it's not even funny. Anyway, sorry.

Other than that, well I enjoy my PS3 and I like the Wi-fi and my 320 gig of HDD. It allows me to have my music on the PS3 and clearing up some much needed space on the computer (which incidentally I couldn't afford to upgrade on account of buying the PS3). Hehe. Goes to show.
I honestly don't know which console comes with the best features out of the box. For my needs it was the PS3 with Wi-fi and cheap HDD upgrades, but for others it may well be other things. Oh, and also, I have a hard time paying to play online. I really don't feel like I should have to. It's for that reason I don't play MMO's and stuff like that. I won't pay to use a product I already bought so to speak. But again, that's just me. I'm sure Live is great, but I refuse to pay. Each to his own. (At some point I will get a 360 though. There are some games I wanna play.)
Haha reading that back it is mildly amusing. I blame the fact that the keys have become well worn and slippy on my laptop:p
I think the ps3 is the most feature-rich out of the box, but i think its downfall is its lack of choice. EG if you don't need wifi and don't have a HD TV, then a Premium 360 will be sufficient. Also i agree on not paying for something you've already payed for, like MMO's and XBL; if you bought a game, i think that should entitle you play it online free of charge.
I need a new console when i move out in september (seeing as me and my dad went half's on our ps3) if its a weak year for the ps3 and/or they don't drop the price, i may be getting a 360, just for the multitude of Halo spin offs.
 

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teh_gunslinger said:
*snip* A lot of interesting arguments, but it became a bit unwieldy.

Oh, and also, I have a hard time paying to play online. I really don't feel like I should have to. It's for that reason I don't play MMO's and stuff like that. I won't pay to use a product I already bought so to speak. But again, that's just me. I'm sure Live is great, but I refuse to pay. Each to his own. (At some point I will get a 360 though. There are some games I wanna play.)
Thats how I feel about Live as well. As a college student I'm not made of money and so I'm not willing to pay for live. Why? Well I'm already paying for my freakin' internet service you tart! I don't want to have to pay for gaming online if I already have to pay for my internet. (That seemed very redundant)