Space Marine "Rips Off" Gears of War

[Use_Imagination_here]

Someone actually think gears of war was original enough for anyone to be ripping of well, anything about it and not really be ripping of something else?

Really?

 

[conzan]

nope, its a 3rd person shooter doesn't mean it rips of gears of war, gears is a cover based shooter I am sick of hearing this about every game "rips of such and such" no its just in the same genre now please piss off.
space marine trys to get you away from cover and in to the enemy's with a huge chainsaw and when it is making you shoot your armour is the cover, that's right space marine is actually a more many version of gears, kinda odd that

 

[Inkidu]

Gears clone? Really? I was hoping that reviewers would be more enlightened.

You're right. Space Marine does ripoff Robert A. Heinlein's military science-fiction masterpiece Starship Troopers. See you on the bounce!

Come on you apes! You wanna live-forever?

I always call Starship Troopers the grand-daddy of Space Marines but in this game, the combat is far too slow and close to be called a rip-off.

In Space Marine the combat is so slow?

 

[WalkableBuffalo]

As soon as I saw "At its simplest, Space Marine is a Gears clone" I just thought, well fuck me, all it did was clone big clunky guys, and then is pretty much it apart from maybe the 4 weapon selection, it is almost nothing like Gears. Not the weapons, not the setting, not the enemies, not anything, apart from the big guys of similar size.

 

[lockeslylcrit]

I see quite a few people chimed in with "Warhammer 40k came first!" without actually reading the article. It wasn't comparing Warhammer 40k to Gears of War, it was comparing Space Marine to Gears of War, specifically the gameplay elements and not the setting. In fact, there are only TWO lines that make a gameplay comparison.

Seems like more people need to read before rushing to something's defense.

 

[CScuff]

Cover-based third person shooters are a dime a dozen anyway :L

These ones are just skinned similarly.

 

[LogicNProportion]

U mad bro?

Seriously though, the reviewer gave it a 7/10 and all his points were more than valid. Could you point me to the place where he said, literally, that its a "gears ripoff"? Maybe im missing it. Because all I can find is this:

At its simplest, Space Marine is a Gears clone with a hair-raising health system which sees you healing by performing execution kills. Given how flagrantly Relic apes the Epic juggernaut elsewhere - weapons are swapped via the same D-pad system - being unable to stick to cover feels unnatural at first, but you soon acclimatise. New cannons and a Fury mode unlock at half-hourly intervals as you progress through corridors and arenas, nabbing Servo Skulls (Warhammer's audio diary of choice) to flesh out the plot's few secrets.

Which is... Well... PERFECTLY VALID AND COMPLETELY FUCKING RIGHT.

TL;DR: Stop whining, write your own review if you disagree, dont write off a reviewer just because he doesnt like a game you do, or rather, just because he doesnt like it as much.

Fucking hell, he gave it a 7/10 for fucks sake. If you seriously think that Space Marine deserves more than that... Jesus.

You are aware that the selection of the review you just quoted disproves your statement, right?

1. You don't heal in Gears via execution.
2. Can't 'own' control schemes. Games did it before Gears.
3. You don't stick to cover in Space Marine, being shooty eventually kills you. Sticking to cover is Gears' main combat theme.
4. You get new weapons as you progress through the game!? The nerve!
5. Gears has no fury mode.
6. Gears has no audio diaries, they have those crappy info reports that break up the actions way too much. Even if Gears did do it, other games did it first.
7. Nothing you said just made sense.

Aaaaaaand posted.

 

[darksakul]

Space marines are nothing new, before Gears of War or War hammer 40k, there was Star Craft, and before that Quake and Doom. Hell some of the old Star Trek books mention "Space" marines.

Space Marines are a part of Science Fiction the way Elves, Orcs, Wizards and Swordsmen are apart of Fantasy. I don't see Wizards of the Coast calming Legend of Zelda Ripped off the Original Dungeons and Dragons.

You seem to think that Blizzard didn't rip off the story/ideas for both Warcraft and Starcraft from GW. A little history lesson, a long time ago the two companies had agreed to work together to create said games... but that didn't work out. (Who broke up with who for what reason is debatable, though Blizzard most certainly ran away with much of the Warhammer lore.)

If you ever bother to read the backstory of Warhammer and the stories of Warhammer 40k, you'll notice that Warcraft was originally a clear lore rip from Warhammer, similarly for a lot of the Starcraft story but with some things changed from Eredar to Protoss, and the such.

GW invented, for lack of a better word, the modern Space Marine persona, just as Tolkein invented the modern persona of Elves. Their ideas are taken from past creations, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that what you see in modern days is a direct copy of their work.

No, I think the above ripped off older Sci-Fi Novels dating as far back as the 1950's.

Also to those who tell me I do not know what a space marine is, I was in the Untied Sates Marine Corps. So please do not assume that I do not know what a Marine is. And yes I believe Space Marines are just Marines adapted to fight in SPACE. It is part of what real MARINES do, they ADAPT to the situation and surroundings.

So you have all of this stuff in you?
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Creation_of_a_Space_Marine#Implants

Now you are being ridiculous, as you know none of that exist(Yet) maybe in a hundred years.
That real modern day marines are expected to be in top physical condition. To have the same physical fitness of a Pro athlete, being able to carry heavy loads (like a 100 lbs pack not including weapons and ammo) for hours on end. Be in the worlds top 10% for marksmanship. And to be smart enough top operate some of the most hi-tech and sophisticated weapons tech to-date. That part always was a requirement, as as you see that requirement will not change, even in the future where science will pick up the slack for human biology.

 

[LogicNProportion]

Except Space Marines aren't gay

Why would there be no gay space marines? Space marines need love too you know?

Most are castrated and after the implants, genetically similar. Gay Space Marines would be like...bro incest.

Have you read how they procreate? They're pumped full of strength hormones (Testoreone/Steroids), given a pseudo-womb with a pseudo-ovum, which on their death, is torn from them and implanted into another manly male soldier.

So...yeah...no inclinations towards heterosexuality there at all. It would be more accurate to call it Pseudo-necro-bro-incest. There's a meal time thought for you.

That's only chaos marines, and even then, only that one warband of Iron Warriors from the Ultramarine series.

Loyalist astartes are fitted with their implants right on an operating table by the trusty Apothecaries of the chapter and their serfs. The only mainstay chapter that does thing slightly different to my knowledge are Blood Angels, as they stick their boys into coffins for a long while as they 'get used to all that juicy new testosterone.'

 

[Frank Han]

That review is dildos. The reviewer must be a gears of war fanboy.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

That's only chaos marines, and even then, only that one warband of Iron Warriors from the Ultramarine series.

I thought they all had the gene-seed that was grown inside of them and passed on to keep their genetics clean?

 

[darksakul]

Also to those who tell me I do not know what a space marine is, I was in the Untied Sates Marine Corps. So please do not assume that I do not know what a Marine is. And yes I believe Space Marines are just Marines adapted to fight in SPACE. It is part of what real MARINES do, they ADAPT to the situation and surroundings.

What the hell does this have anything to do with the USMC? We're talking about a science fiction IP created by the British in the 1980's.

Silly little geek. If you look at the culture the Space Marines have in Gears and in Warhammer 40k, there the same as the real world military. The can-do nothing can top us spirit, the training and physical conditioning to make them selves the best they can be, the team work and sense of brotherhood they have for each other, the attitudes are all traits both "space marines" and real marines have. Only thing the space marines have that unique it sci-fi tech (includes fanciful medical alterations of space marines). Ever saw the Live action Training Commercial for Halo ODST, that mirrors real life military training almost down to a T. Even in Fiction, you got to have source from somewhere. Writers write from what they know. Imaginary space marines are based on real life Marines. The British in the 1980s based there Space Marines of the British Royal Marines and the USMC (which the 2 have alot on common).

 

[romanator0]

Space marines are nothing new, before Gears of War or War hammer 40k, there was Star Craft, and before that Quake and Doom. Hell some of the old Star Trek books mention "Space" marines.

Space Marines are a part of Science Fiction the way Elves, Orcs, Wizards and Swordsmen are apart of Fantasy. I don't see Wizards of the Coast calming Legend of Zelda Ripped off the Original Dungeons and Dragons.

You seem to think that Blizzard didn't rip off the story/ideas for both Warcraft and Starcraft from GW. A little history lesson, a long time ago the two companies had agreed to work together to create said games... but that didn't work out. (Who broke up with who for what reason is debatable, though Blizzard most certainly ran away with much of the Warhammer lore.)

If you ever bother to read the backstory of Warhammer and the stories of Warhammer 40k, you'll notice that Warcraft was originally a clear lore rip from Warhammer, similarly for a lot of the Starcraft story but with some things changed from Eredar to Protoss, and the such.

GW invented, for lack of a better word, the modern Space Marine persona, just as Tolkein invented the modern persona of Elves. Their ideas are taken from past creations, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that what you see in modern days is a direct copy of their work.

No, I think the above ripped off older Sci-Fi Novels dating as far back as the 1950's.

Also to those who tell me I do not know what a space marine is, I was in the Untied Sates Marine Corps. So please do not assume that I do not know what a Marine is. And yes I believe Space Marines are just Marines adapted to fight in SPACE. It is part of what real MARINES do, they ADAPT to the situation and surroundings.

So you have all of this stuff in you?
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Creation_of_a_Space_Marine#Implants

Now you are being ridiculous, as you know none of that exist(Yet) maybe in a hundred years.
That real modern day marines are expected to be in top physical condition. To have the same physical fitness of a Pro athlete, being able to carry heavy loads (like a 100 lbs pack not including weapons and ammo) for hours on end. Be in the worlds top 10% for marksmanship. And to be smart enough top operate some of the most hi-tech and sophisticated weapons tech to-date. That part always was a requirement, as as you see that requirement will not change, even in the future where science will pick up the slack for human biology.

You're very much right. It's ridiculous to expect a standard marine to have a number of genetic enhancements that will turn them into a super human.
It's also extremely ridiculous to compare yourself, a standard marine, to a fictional being who has neither a body nor a mind that have any similarities to you at all.
Space Marine =/= US Marine. Sorry.

 

[darksakul]

What's with this stupid "Warhammer came first, that means it's better!" stuff going about? All this started out by one reviewer saying that the controls where similar because you switch weapons with the D-pad and that it looks similar. That's kinda stupid as Battlefield Bad Company lets you switch weapons with the d-pad too. God I hope that doesn't mean some genius let Haggard into the Blood Ravens or one of the other charters.

The aesthetic point brought up is stupid. Both games go for the gritty, dark, gory as hell depiction of war. You're gonna have some parallels in the games looks.

Back to the "it came first", I know what yall mean. This new upcoming Aliens Colonial Marines game is clearly ripping off Space Marine! Yes, here you have angry cursing space marines taking the fight to those inhuman xeno.....morphs! Forget a mere aesthetic resemblance these guys are going after key plot points! Just as Space Marine draws it's roots from the Warhammer 40K tabletop game that started in 1987, this game dared to be based of the movie Aliens which came out in......1986. Huh.........

How dare that Robert Heinlein fellow! Having a bunch of burly men in bulky power armor with stupidly overpowered weapons such as a nuclear rpg fight those damn bugs which are very clearly just freaking rip off the Tyranid!

My point is look at culture, literature, technology hard enough and you'll find outside influences in damn near everything. Sometimes to prevent stagnation people will take cues from other's works to improve their own. Warhammer 40K takes from books like Heinlein's works and from movies like Alien and it's sequel Aliens. You can not tell me that the tyranids creatures are completely original works after doing a side by sie comparison of all of them to the xenomorphs and their queen from Aliens. Hell, I think GW may as well just hire Giger. Same goes for the fantasy version Warhammer. Yes, Warcraft took more than a few pages from Warhammer's books, but then again Warhammer can't complain as it did the exact same to Middle-Earth. Then Warcraft took some pages directly from the source. Lich King, Witch King?

Well spoken. I was trying to point out the connection fantasy Space Marines have to their real life counterparts only to encounter RETARDED nerd rage. "Do you have this fantasy medical augmentation"? No that do not exist. But your post, "it hits the nail on the head" accurate.

 

[Brodie Jenkins]

It's just nerd baiting guys calm down

 

[darksakul]

Space marines are nothing new, before Gears of War or War hammer 40k, there was Star Craft, and before that Quake and Doom. Hell some of the old Star Trek books mention "Space" marines.

Space Marines are a part of Science Fiction the way Elves, Orcs, Wizards and Swordsmen are apart of Fantasy. I don't see Wizards of the Coast calming Legend of Zelda Ripped off the Original Dungeons and Dragons.

You seem to think that Blizzard didn't rip off the story/ideas for both Warcraft and Starcraft from GW. A little history lesson, a long time ago the two companies had agreed to work together to create said games... but that didn't work out. (Who broke up with who for what reason is debatable, though Blizzard most certainly ran away with much of the Warhammer lore.)

If you ever bother to read the backstory of Warhammer and the stories of Warhammer 40k, you'll notice that Warcraft was originally a clear lore rip from Warhammer, similarly for a lot of the Starcraft story but with some things changed from Eredar to Protoss, and the such.

GW invented, for lack of a better word, the modern Space Marine persona, just as Tolkein invented the modern persona of Elves. Their ideas are taken from past creations, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that what you see in modern days is a direct copy of their work.

No, I think the above ripped off older Sci-Fi Novels dating as far back as the 1950's.

Also to those who tell me I do not know what a space marine is, I was in the Untied Sates Marine Corps. So please do not assume that I do not know what a Marine is. And yes I believe Space Marines are just Marines adapted to fight in SPACE. It is part of what real MARINES do, they ADAPT to the situation and surroundings.

So you have all of this stuff in you?
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Creation_of_a_Space_Marine#Implants

Now you are being ridiculous, as you know none of that exist(Yet) maybe in a hundred years.
That real modern day marines are expected to be in top physical condition. To have the same physical fitness of a Pro athlete, being able to carry heavy loads (like a 100 lbs pack not including weapons and ammo) for hours on end. Be in the worlds top 10% for marksmanship. And to be smart enough top operate some of the most hi-tech and sophisticated weapons tech to-date. That part always was a requirement, as as you see that requirement will not change, even in the future where science will pick up the slack for human biology.

You're very much right. It's ridiculous to expect a standard marine to have a number of genetic enhancements that will turn them into a super human.
It's also extremely ridiculous to compare yourself, a standard marine, to a fictional being who has neither a body nor a mind that have any similarities to you at all.
Space Marine =/= US Marine. Sorry.

This is the nerd rage garbage I am talking about.
Yes real life Solders are not going to have armor and medical augmentations of sci-fi/fantasy solders. It is fantasy. What is the same are the attitudes, the Esprit de corps, the level of training (as top notch as it can get). All writers have to base fantasy characters from something, the good writers based from what they know. Tolken based the Lord of the Rings from 2 world wars and the people how fought them. Do not dare to even think that you can sling around the word Marine with out a real life Marine taking notice. You kids (I don't care if your 25- 35) understand nothing of real world people.

 

[Fetzenfisch]

Well it would be hard to make a space marine game that would be different. gamewise its nowhere near original or new. But its fucking good at what it does. You cant get more powerarmored awesomeness into a game than a WH40k Space Marine game. It feels like a dozen games i played before, but the athmo, look, grit of it is just top tier.

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I really hope you DO NOT share the attitude of a sci-fi/fantasy space marine, because that would be obedience without ever questioning the flawless orders of the superior beings that stand above you in society. And that would make you a damn bad kind of soldier.or the perfect tool for the dystopian dictatorships that are portraited in those stories and games.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Also to those who tell me I do not know what a space marine is, I was in the Untied Sates Marine Corps. So please do not assume that I do not know what a Marine is. And yes I believe Space Marines are just Marines adapted to fight in SPACE. It is part of what real MARINES do, they ADAPT to the situation and surroundings.

What the hell does this have anything to do with the USMC? We're talking about a science fiction IP created by the British in the 1980's.

Silly little geek. If you look at the culture the Space Marines have in Gears and in Warhammer 40k, there the same as the real world military. The can-do nothing can top us spirit, the training and physical conditioning to make them selves the best they can be, the team work and sense of brotherhood they have for each other, the attitudes are all traits both "space marines" and real marines have. Only thing the space marines have that unique it sci-fi tech (includes fanciful medical alterations of space marines). Ever saw the Live action Training Commercial for Halo ODST, that mirrors real life military training almost down to a T. Even in Fiction, you got to have source from somewhere. Writers write from what they know. Imaginary space marines are based on real life Marines. The British in the 1980s based there Space Marines of the British Royal Marines and the USMC (which the 2 have alot on common).

Silly little military meat head. Apparently you believe that because you have some military experience that you're the first and foremost expert on anything with "Marine" in the title, fictional or otherwise. Comparing a science fiction fighting unit called "Space Marines" who undergo massive genetic enhancements, implantations and follow their leader with crusader like fervor, hell bent on purging the unbelievers to the US marines is still absurd. Well, maybe not so much the part about following their leader.

 

[Slim-Shot]

Anyone and everyone that says this game is a Gears clone is a complete tool. Its like saying that Call of Duty is a Halo clone, coz its an fps.

I enjoy the gears of war game. Why? Because it is a highly polished tactical 3rd person shooter which is designed to be 2ic on Flagship Xbox!

Space Marine is a game with a smaller budget made predominantly for 40K fans. It is also significantly less tactical and much more hack'n'slash. I've only played the demo, but speaking as a 40k fan, I thought it was absolutely amazing! I think it is an excellent realisation of media from an entirely different mode of entertainment - and good translations such as Space Marine are very rare.

 

[wooty]

Hmmm, they are similar from my point of view. Both games which involve big burley men, with big burley guns shooting aliens\whateverthelocustare that are also big and burley with equally burley weapons......also from reading some posts and from what I remember from being a child, 2 equally rabid fanbases, which is also the reason why I left both "hobbies".