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Depends on the child. I think spanking is a good tool to use, but never to be abused with. Probably a more effective way of punishing a kid would be to take away certain privileges. Like TV or video games. It worked for me whenever I misbehaved.
Who the fuck spanks an infant? How the hell is a child too young to understand how to tie their shoelaces going to be able to comprehend what they are doing is wrong?Koroviev said:
Anyway, it mentions on the second page that telling a child not to touch the stove is ineffective. And this is true. Do you know what my sister and I did when we were kids? We would sit in front of the stove with our hands hovering inches away from it and say "I'm not touching it!"
This was before my mother resorted to spanking. We didn't actually learn not to fucking touch it until my sister burnt her hand.
Parents - single parents especially - do not always have the time to carefully observe every action their child makes. A lot of these alternatives require more time and patience than is afforded to any parent with three kids, a job, a serious illness and a fucking court case to deal with.
When we were old enough to listen and comprehend why our mother was telling us not to do things, she stopped smacking. Beforehand, it was mostly used to keep us out of danger.
Sure, she would sometimes snap and give us a tap to break up fights, but can you blame her? I mean, maybe YOU can blame her, but you have absolutely no idea the kind of shit she was dealing with at the time.
Yes, I agree spanking is not the most effective solution. Nor is it the only one. It is, however, the simplest and quickest one.
I notice that most people who believe SPANKING SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN are not parents themselves. I am not sure if you have noticed, but raising a kid is really fucking difficult, even with help. Smacking is not the best solution, but sometimes it is the only one you have.
Besides. It didn't exactly fuck me or my siblings up in future life. I don't know if I'd spank my own kids, but I am not against it.
When I was growing up I was smacked very rarely, but I learned from the mistakes and stupid things I did. If I ever got spanked or smacked, it was because I deserved it.
Unfortunately, my parents and I have a great deal of trouble dealing with my younger brother at times. All conventional wisdom goes down the pan when it comes to dealing with him at his worst.
Unfortunately, my parents and I have a great deal of trouble dealing with my younger brother at times. All conventional wisdom goes down the pan when it comes to dealing with him at his worst.
You said you didn't like the usage of anecdotes but I was referring to myself anonymously as a child.Koroviev said:
Alright as I child I was happy with my computer and my ps2, I never felt like I needed anything more than that so any attempt of reward my parents tried to give me I didn't care about I was content with what I had. When they got fed up with my grades dropping they tried grounding me or taking away my computer, needless to say it all failed. I didn't listen and I didn't obey. If they put me in a corner I'd just walk away. To prevent me from using my computer they locked it with a password and took the power cable and turned off the circuit breaker. It wasn't hard for me to turn it back on find a spare cable and guess the password. Also words didn't have any effect on my, good job and bad job were just words (and to really annoy my parents when they started yelling I would just recite the sticks and stones saying). What would you do with a brat like that?
After a month of this my mom bent me over her lap and spanked me. I quickly learned after that I should listen to her if I wanted to avoid any more pain. To me, that was way more effective than anything else they've tried.
Well, we need to save space here so things dot get long and overdrawn, but at a certain age, spankings shouldnt be used. BUt a young age, where "kids" equal something less then ten, since ten is around the age of pre teen (at least, I'm going to assume thats what he menas), they need to learn because they dont know yet. So a healthy spank at first, then to say thats the last you'll get is the best. Also, a spanking can be any form of punishment. Physical, psychological, anything.Koroviev said:
I agree, no study can be perfectly replicated. A population is a population, however, each sample taken from that population is subject to subtle variations. This is why it is necessary that those conducting research employ careful sampling methods so as to limit the bias of a particular sample.-Samurai- said:
Well, I'm afraid that I'm about to quote you. However, it is not my intention that you and I dance around in circles.
Pain is a great positive punishment(hopefully you aren't using it as a negative reinforcement). For spanking to really have an effect you need to reinforce behaviors you want to increase the frequency of. If your kid does something good like get an A in biology or save a woman from a fire then you need to acknowledge it and reinforce the behavior. If your kid does something bad like break the vase or find daddy's porn stash you need to punish the behavior (hopefully with spanking). Most people just do the latter which makes the attention people give their kids(via spanking) is actually acting as a positive reinforcement to act up for the attention. Another thing is consistency. You want to consistently punish the bad behavior and reward the good behavior. Another concept most people don't get.Koroviev said:
Evidence doesnt support that non spanking methods work in practice either. I could tell my cousins they're in time out and they laugh. when i go tell them to grab my belt (because i carry one with studs and leather) that sobers them up quick. And I'm sure most anyone here on this site will vouch a similiar story.Koroviev said:
No, no experiment can be perfectly replicated but to have any weight they need to land within a certain standard deviation. Spanking having an effect on 10% of the kids in one study and 70% in the next means both studies are meaningless. The thing is a lot of psych studies are meaningless because they cannot isolate the variable they are trying to test.Koroviev said:
No, it does not necessarily follow that both of these hypothetical studies are meaningless. Rather, there is more than one possibility. Could it be that both studies were conducted using questionable methods? Certainly. However, it could also be that only one of the studies employed poor methodology, while the other is indeed valid.crudus said:
"The thing is a lot of psych studies are meaningless because they cannot isolate the variable they are trying to test."
Where is the support for the above claim?
Actually, whether spanking is a punishment or reinforcement depends on how often a child beats spanked. Imagine a child gets spanked at 3pm everyday unless the kid brings home a loaf of bread. The child is being negatively reinforced to bring home bread.Koroviev said:
Punishment(with reinforcement) needs to be done because a child may bring home straight A's, but still doesn't know not to punch the cat, for example.
When I have kids, I plan to just give them the ole stern talking to. My dad has never hit me once, and if he did I'd probably leave the house for a bit. I trust him enough to trust me to trust him not resort to that kind of thing. He gets the job done by shouting at me anyway 
However, obviously it would depend on the situation. If my kid, at 13 years old or something, starts getting into drugs or any of that serious things, you'd better believe I'd give him/her a good smacking across the face. I'd hope that I would raise them to know better.
However, obviously it would depend on the situation. If my kid, at 13 years old or something, starts getting into drugs or any of that serious things, you'd better believe I'd give him/her a good smacking across the face. I'd hope that I would raise them to know better.