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AndyFromMonday

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Erm, no, it doesn't. They've never done that. They harvest sentient races, as they did with the Protheans.
The Reapers do bombard from orbit and if you've played Mass Effect 2 and explored just a little bit you're sure to find worlds with a description akin to "this planet has marks of orbital bombardment". Still, it makes no sense to expose themselves like that. If they want to harvest humans then it's easier to just send in minions to do their bidding. Sure, it takes a while but as evidenced by the hologram on Ilos the Reapers DO take their time when it comes to harvesting. It took decades to harvest/wipe out the Protheans.

Bottom line: They choose a race they deem worthy and then preserve their culture and civilization by merging them all together into a single conciousness.

Daedalus1942 said:
I paid attention to the plot for the first half of the game. When nothing made sense in relation to the first game, I lost interest pretty quick.
-Tabs<3-
If you didn't bother paying attention to the story then why are you trying to debate lore? I'm not against expressing opinions but since you expressed your inability to concentrate on the plot due to losing interest is there any reason you should bother debating it?


I wrote an entire essay regarding a lot of things but mostly concerning plot holes and rabble. It's big, rambly, incoherent and it's my take on part of the ME2 mythos. I thought of deleting it but giving that now and then I get a bit... "creative" I decided not to and leave it here for anyone who cares. Maybe we can have an actual discussion regarding the ME universe. I mean, I'm not the only one who enjoys talking about fictional universes, right?

Other civilizations are wiped out. For e.g., the Protheans were NOT the only race at the time. The difference between the current cycle and the last is that the Protheans were way more technologically advanced than other races so they were the dominant species in the galaxy. When the Reapers came they not only destroyed the governing body but the governing body of other species that achieved FTL travel since any species that did so was probably either part or collaborated with the Prothean led government at the time. They enslaved the Protheans and wiped out any race capable of FTL travel through the use of the Mass Relays and, wait for it, orbital bombardments. Due to the fact that the Protheans were designated for harvesting they were not as prompt in wiping out evidence of their technology which is why they are hailed the way they are in the current cycle.


I'd like to know how the Reapers managed to get to the Milky Way in the span of a few years(Shepard is alive and combat ready so it took anywhere between 1 to 17 years to reach the Milky Way but knowing Bioware the range is probably between 1 month since the ending of ME2 to a year. I understand FTL travel exists but it's impossible to catch the Milky Way as it's also moving faster than light through the Universe which means you'd just end up chasing it for eternity. But if they managed to solve that problem and actually reach the Milky Way with no problem why the fuck did they bother with Sovereign and the Collectors? They lost one of their own aka an entire culture was destroyed and also lost a very important agent, the Collector General. If all they needed to get to the Milky Way was time then, giving that they are machines and basically have for all eternity, they could have just fly to the Milky Way and reach there with the full support of the Collectors and the rebel Geth. There's just no reason for a machine to act this way. Machines do not make mistake. They calculate their every move to perfection and this does not seem characteristic of a machine. My theory is that they somehow reached the Galaxy this fast through the use of some secret passageway or some shit like that since its highly unlikely they'd go through all that shit just to return if they could just reach the Milky Way through the use of FTL engines or some other magical engine we have no idea about.

Still, giving that the Reapers made these gaping mistakes its only logical to assume that maybe they're not machines. Maybe they're just organics with the shell of a machine which honestly seems most likely giving their way of reproduction. I'm guessing the conciousness created through the merging of all those organics ends up creating a mind inherently plagued by flaws exhibited by organic minds which could explain the Reapers illogical actions up until now. This could make for an interesting turn as you'd have to choose between destroying the Reapers and basically commiting genocide against a race or let them preserve the civilization for basically eternity. It's interesting because ultimately, all technology will do is lead us down the path of destruction and by wiping out FTL capable civilizations you're assuring that cultures endure and survive. So, in a way, the Reapers are actually doing a service to the galaxy by preserving what's worth preserving. Ultimately, however, the thing that will matter the most is Bioware revealing WHY the Reapers are doing what they're doing and who created them. There's got to be a reason more complex than just preserving civilizations just for culture and I'm sure as hell the Reapers had a beginning.
 

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SyphonX said:
Mass Effect 2
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Dragon Age 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
Diablo 3
Portal 2

Stand the fack back, 2011 is franchise overload year, and you may want to order a new epic meter, 'cuz it's broke.
It's Mass effect 3 not 2 and you forgot Elder Scrolls 5. Can I be frozen untill November 2011? BECAUSE I AM PUMPED! *FLEXES*
 

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AndyFromMonday said:
Reapers had a beginning.
Perhaps another race created skynet billions of years ago? And Skynet achieved FTL travel or some shit like that? Might make sense since the Reapers goal seams to be preventing any race from becoming a tier 3 society.
 

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I just can't wait for this moment.

"Shepard! It's the Turian Councilor, we're under attack by enormous... umm, ships and need your help!"
"Say it."
"What? Shepard there's no time."
"Say it."
*Sigh* "Reapers."
"What? But Councilor, we have dismissed that claim."
 

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RobCoxxy said:
I genuinely think I may have ejaculated a smidge.
I feel your pain. I may or may not need to change my underwear...

Thank you, guy who posted the link. I saw the trailer, and my jaw dropped as far as it possibly can. Now all that's left is to suffer through the next year without this game.
 

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All I can say is
[HEADING=1]MASS EFFECT FUCKING 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/HEADING]
I agree. Who cares if it appears to be "the tired old alien invasion on earth scenario" or if "the Reapers should be nuking Earth not landing on it" any any other crap. The gorram Reapers (do you see what I did there?) are finally here. That's all I needed for the trailer to be epic.
 

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Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
AndyFromMonday said:
Reapers had a beginning.
Perhaps another race created skynet billions of years ago? And Skynet achieved FTL travel or some shit like that? Might make sense since the Reapers goal seams to be preventing any race from becoming a tier 3 society.
We don't know that. All information regarding the Reapers we currently have was salvaged from Prothean technology and they could have just been mistaken. They weren't gods in any way and giving that the Reapers have been doing this cycle for probably millions if not billions we can't know for sure if a more advanced civilization ever existed since we don't exactly have any data cache from the races before the Protheans. Only bits and pieces like a few ruins here and there.
 
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SyphonX said:
Mass Effect 2
Star Wars: The Old Republic
Dragon Age 2
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
Diablo 3
Portal 2

Stand the fack back, 2011 is franchise overload year, and you may want to order a new epic meter, 'cuz it's broke.
exactly my thoughts.

thats a good 400 dollars or so on just games that i have off the top of my head..

added in other ones along the way. i could end up spending a good 600-700 dollars on games in a year. holy. shit.

im gonna be such a fat kid.
 

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Yassen said:
I just can't wait for this moment.

"Shepard! It's the Turian Councilor, we're under attack by enormous... umm, ships and need your help!"
"Say it."
"What? Shepard there's no time."
"Say it."
*Sigh* "Reapers."
"What? But Councilor, we have dismissed that claim."
That would be so awesome, it will now seriously hurt my opinion of the game if something along those lines isn't in there.
 

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Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
SyphonX said:
games list
It's Mass effect 3 not 2 and you forgot Elder Scrolls 5. Can I be frozen untill November 2011? BECAUSE I AM PUMPED! *FLEXES*
Yeah, I posted it in haste. I was going to add a bunch of others too, like Duke Nukem Forever.

Also, at least 2 of those games release on the same day, that is unless the release dates change.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Dragon Age 2 both release on March 8, 2011. Epic RPG day of the new decade. Also, Homefront is slated for March 8th as well, afaik. So all in all, March is excellent.
 

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Wow... Now Karpyshyn's writing about how the reapers attack Earth...
I should have known, he ripped off Authur C Clarke for the plot of the first game, then the 2nnd plot was batshit insane, and made no sense next to the first game.
Now he goes and pulls this shit...
Karpysyhn really is a hack and he's run out of ideas.
In all honesty... this looks shit, and if it's anything like the 2nd game, I will not be buying it (or even pirating it).
-Tabs<3-
It is very hard to make anything original nowadays, this is more of an adaptation than a ripoff, if you think the second plot was insane, than you just didn't understand or weren't paying attention, I challenge you to come up with plot holes that can't be explained away, and I must have missed that war of the worlds bit where sentient spaceships descend from past the galaxy and screw everything over (I know that isn't in this post, but you did say so in others.)
Here you are. This guy echoes nearly everything I thought about the mass Effect series and I agree with him wholeheartedly.
-Tabs<3-
-edit- it might help if I'd actually posted the link yeah...? >.<
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=7004
Actually, I read that article befor you posted it and had a lot of problems in it. This is a long post so it is in spoilers [spoiler

]I fail to see how killing then reviving shepard is a rewrite, a rewrite is only a rewrite IF they changed things in the past, they didn't bring you back as you were before, they enhanced you with cybernetics, the reason that the cerberus logo doesn't stop you is because everyone thinks of cerberus as a morally questionable PMC, and if you talked to EDI she would tell you the SEVERAL of the alliance members donate millions to billions supporting cerberus, and your original crew DOEN'T suddenly rejoin you, remember Tali? she doesn't join until AFTER her own mission was complete, Ashley (for me), Liara and Wrex DON'T JOIN YOU AT ALL! That's less than half of your original team back, the only other crew members who rejoins is joker who signed on with cerberus immediately and not the alliance, and if you talk with chakwas, she tells you the real reason she joined is because she has some sort of motherly affection for Joker which Shamus Young obviously didn't do.

The reason you didn't know the Illusive man is because He Is Ellusive. People aren't supposed to know who he is, if they did know who or where he is they could do assasination attempts, and YOU CAN ***** AT HIM FOR THE SOLE SURVIVOR BACKGROUND AND THE CERBERUS OPERATIONS IN THE FIRST GAME. You only have to constantly antagonize him, and they will show up.

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So first he bitches about something that applies to personal preference, which nobody can argue for or against, then about the ressurection, there is nothing to stop them from taking the body, or completely destroying it, and it took two years for them to find and bring you back last time, it would take less than that for the collectors and reapers to mobilize.

The only thing I can argue against that isn't personal preference is maybe they COULDN'T leave themselve a quick path back to this galaxy, no one relay can go to any other relay, they have range, and you can't have relays floating orbiting nothing, or leading to you, you would be discovered before that civilization was at it's peak, and the citidel was the only relay big enough to get to them, that was their way back, through the keepers who were supposed to act, but thanks to the protheans didn't. Also, all other questions that he has are answered by PLAYING THE GAME, except that cycle, which they can explain in the third.

the collectors to start off, ARE NOT ORGANIC. They have most if not all of their systems replaced with cybernetics, they are what the protheans became when turned into something that could manage the reapers, as they said they needed maintenance in the first game every while (millions of years probably). Almost everything in that argument is destroyed when you realize that, and you can EASLIY get millions more if you pick off colonies that they can blame on other things like natural disasters, or other species/pirates WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING. Colonies are not small. Also they are constructing a reaper, yes, you always lay put groundwork first, the first is more of an experimentation before they make several more which are much worse.

Here's something, PEOPLE WERE LEAVING IN MASS DROVES, BUT THEIR WAS ALMOST NOWHERE ELSE TO GO! Did he not listen to those news reports? And even if they could find where the ship took off, how would they identify it? All they could put in is "unidentified blast" which could very well lead to no trace as a report if they don't want to spark public panic.

He could have very easily found a bug that hadn't quite died and disintegrated yet on one of the colonies you visit, or traded for it as he knew the collectors and they will trade minor things for minor things as established earlier, or picked it off of somebody who did trade with the collectors.

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Actually there is a lot that an organic metal can do that regular metal can't like slight self repair, or give constant updates, maybe it is more resilient and light, resulting in less use of the mass effect drive, maybe they make a better mass effect drive.
Everything in this argument is literally nothing more than Shumus not understanding things, who said it was biped? it doesn't have legs, so he assumes, which he does a lot.
I can think of a number of good uses for a massive almost unkillable ship that can grab, like making ship shields that can now deflect you shots obselete, as seen in the first game, soveriegn destryed several ships by ramming them, and the hands could easily have weapons on them. Finally, yes if a reaper is made out of humans it is a human reaper, they are supposed to reflect what species they are made out of, but why have variety shamus?

Here is personal preference, shepard could have said anything, and it would have worked, just insert your own, secondly, they don't approve of destroying the base, they DISAPPROVE of yuoou giving it to an organization that want humans to rule the univers. Big difference. The next part makes me sad though, yes those are all great reasons to keep the stations, SO KEEP IT. There is an option for a reason.

Here is why you can only give it to cerberus: Your ship has it, and it works for cerberus, and it would've given it to cerburus the moment it could, this isn't hard to figure out, if you gave it to the alliance, although I just said you couldn't, THEY would give it to cerburus and you would have the same problem as mentioned, many alliance heads love cerburus and they have the best scientists.

Finally, why would they need more than one? What would be their purpose to build more than one? They believed themselves to be invincible so they thought they could not fail.

Also, you learn of several differnt things that can be used against the reapers and gain several different species to your side (rachni (if saved), krogan, many geth, possibly quarians) if you listend to dialogue, you would have learned of matter that causes supernovas, if you read, you would learn that turians salvaged sovriegns corpse, and reverse engineered their weaponry, and that is why you cannon is so much stronger.
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In conclusion: You'll notice a lot of my statements are "if you read/pay attention to *insert this here*" and that is the thing about shamus this time, he didn't.
 

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Irridium said:
Daedalus1942 said:
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Irridium said:
Why would the Reapers invade Earth instead of just nuking it from orbit like any other smart being would do?
Because intercepting nukes or losing Earth the second the game starts isn't entertaining.
But it completely goes against what the Reapers are, creating quite a big contradiction of who they are. Just rubs me the wrong way is all.
No. They harvest organic material. They need you to bend to the knees and walk into a glass of organic cocktail. Their plan is to destroy enough for people to listen and get enslaved. Indoctrination effects come in handy later, too.

To reiterate, they harvest. And then totally destroy what's left.
 

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that trailer reminded me too much of war of the worlds. i assume that is what they were going for, but still.