Superman Renounces U.S. Citizenship

[Technicka]

Green Lantern has this issue covered, sure they always U.S. citizens (I think), but its officaly known the Green Lanterns are protectors of entire sections in space, not just a country.

Actually GL are part of the JLA, so they're considered agents of the U.S. gov't (at worse) or the U.N. (at best). They had an issue long ago where Hal chased a villain into Russia, and all sort of political crap went on because of it.

Also note, I didn't say THE american symbol. I'd certainly make the strong argument he stands shoulder to shoulder with Captain.Even just on a fact basis, Cap is a much better American Superhero. While I did suggest Captain America is just a better character than Superman, it was more that he is more "American" than Superman. It is probably shown best during the Civil War arch in the Marvel comics. Superman just saves the world, Captain America actually gets involved on a more closer level to what is right and what is law.

Civil War was bad, and you should feel bad for using it to support how awesome Cap is.

And you should not tell me how I should feel about something that I obviously disagree with you about.

Please, feel free to sound more persnickety over a joke comment.

Civil War had it's moments, if you like heavy-handed topical storylines, but there are better stories that show Cap fighting for what right, and not what's (currently)legal.

I did not see anything humorous in the slight with your last comment. Maybe its your own fault for not being funny.

It's a pretty common phrase used online: "____ is bad, and you should feel bad." That you've never encountered it is hardly my problem. But if it makes you feel better to view it as a genuinely personal slight, then carry on.

And it should not be my problem that I do not have such poor humor to laugh at your lack at delivering a supposed joke comment. I dont always get bad sarcasm either, as much as I use it, but if that was really the case, you could have simply said so instead of being a jerk.

And you could've simply asked if I was trying to be funny instead of taking a confrontational stance and assuming it was an insult. We can go at this all nite/day, really.

 

[Saelune]

Green Lantern has this issue covered, sure they always U.S. citizens (I think), but its officaly known the Green Lanterns are protectors of entire sections in space, not just a country.

Actually GL are part of the JLA, so they're considered agents of the U.S. gov't (at worse) or the U.N. (at best). They had an issue long ago where Hal chased a villain into Russia, and all sort of political crap went on because of it.

Also note, I didn't say THE american symbol. I'd certainly make the strong argument he stands shoulder to shoulder with Captain.Even just on a fact basis, Cap is a much better American Superhero. While I did suggest Captain America is just a better character than Superman, it was more that he is more "American" than Superman. It is probably shown best during the Civil War arch in the Marvel comics. Superman just saves the world, Captain America actually gets involved on a more closer level to what is right and what is law.

Civil War was bad, and you should feel bad for using it to support how awesome Cap is.

And you should not tell me how I should feel about something that I obviously disagree with you about.

Please, feel free to sound more persnickety over a joke comment.

Civil War had it's moments, if you like heavy-handed topical storylines, but there are better stories that show Cap fighting for what right, and not what's (currently)legal.

I did not see anything humorous in the slight with your last comment. Maybe its your own fault for not being funny.

It's a pretty common phrase used online: "____ is bad, and you should feel bad." That you've never encountered it is hardly my problem. But if it makes you feel better to view it as a genuinely personal slight, then carry on.

And it should not be my problem that I do not have such poor humor to laugh at your lack at delivering a supposed joke comment. I dont always get bad sarcasm either, as much as I use it, but if that was really the case, you could have simply said so instead of being a jerk.

And you could've simply asked if I was trying to be funny instead of taking a confrontational stance and assuming it was an insult. We can go at this all nite/day, really.

But to me there was no sign of funny or anything other than being rude. Thus the only outcome was to think it was a rude comment. I do ask people to explain their comment if I think there is more to it though. This was not one of those times.

 

[Trolldor]

This actually makes me very sad. Superman is an american icon, a symbol of values we once had. I understand from a thematic stand point it makes sense, it's just a very startling sign of the times that we can't even have Superman representing america anymore.

At least we still have Batman

Batman never represented America.

 

[Taylor Long]

The Superman is real, and he's American.

 

[norwegian-guy]

I'm more suprised on how bad some people take it. I kinda hoped the black/white idea had sorta started dying out, but now people start to freak out due to a comicbook-character making an argument that he don't want to have the "american superhero"-brand.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I think it's a... strange move. Not earth-shattering, but different. Honestly, they should just make it a small point and let it be. The only thing story-wise this can do that really changes things is that the US military now has official reason to not like Superman (They did have a big issue with him before. Did that change recently?). A shocking twist... but really, what does it contribute?

It does render the "Truth, Justice, and the American way" thing useless. Everything else shouldn't really matter.

 

[Aurgelmir]

I never even knew he had citizenship. I always thought people just never questioned him being an illegal alien (in the most literal sense of the word) because he could rip you in half like a phone book.

Well Clark Kent has one Since his parents adopted him.

Superman could never run for president though

This actually makes me very sad. Superman is an american icon, a symbol of values we once had. I understand from a thematic stand point it makes sense, it's just a very startling sign of the times that we can't even have Superman representing america anymore.

At least we still have Batman

Captain America is a better "American Superhero" in every sense.

Better maybe, but then again he has renounced America on several occasions too you know... Nomad, the Captain....

But I guess he still stand for your "core values"

 

[tzimize]

the comments there on the comics alliance site are soooooo stupid it makes me wish I could punch people tho the internet

Agreed.

This actually makes me very sad. Superman is an american icon, a symbol of values we once had. I understand from a thematic stand point it makes sense, it's just a very startling sign of the times that we can't even have Superman representing america anymore.

At least we still have Batman

I think you, as a ton of people are missing the point. I havent read the entire comic, but from what I gathered from the scans the point is that when Superman wants to support the american way (which is not exactly values that are copyrighted by americans btw...) some place else than the U.S., the U.S. will suffer politically because of his citizenship.

I think there is little that has made as much sense as this for Superman. Because he is from space, and from a planet that is destroyed it is easier for him than for anyone to see the big picture. It also helps that he can just fly up and literally see it

He is not throwing away old values, he just wants to fight for them on a global scale, instead of just in the U.S.

And Batman?...even though he is probably my favourite hero, I'm not sure how much sense it makes for a country to want him to represent itself. Paranoid, distrustful and cold, using fear as his main weapon. I could make a rude political comment here, but I'll refrain (in all ways but the hint that is).

Back to Superman. He is the perfect ideal, but dont forget that other people than americans want freedom, peace and respect. I think it makes a lot of sense for him to want to help everyone, instead of just a few.

 

[tzimize]

Civil War was bad, and you should feel bad for using it to support how awesome Cap is.

I actually found Civil War to be immensly interesting. And without having read every Captain America issue back to back I have to say that he was at his most interesting ever by FAR in that series. His conflict with Iron Man was just fantastic, as was the issue: The Confession.

GREAT comic work.

 

[Axolotl]

Man the comments on those blog posts are hilarious.

 

[Technicka]

Civil War was bad, and you should feel bad for using it to support how awesome Cap is.

I actually found Civil War to be immensly interesting. And without having read every Captain America issue back to back I have to say that he was at his most interesting ever by FAR in that series. His conflict with Iron Man was just fantastic, as was the issue: The Confession.

GREAT comic work.

If you haven't already, do yourself a favor and grab Brubaker's run on Cap, if you want to read a really well written Steve (and Bucky).

I've come to discover that most of the people that really enjoyed CW weren't big followers of Marvel's stuff before the event. Most of the long time fans were left slack jawed at how out of character a lot of the heroes were being. But I'll totally admit that Confession was some great stuff.

 

[Boba Frag]

This actually makes me very sad. Superman is an american icon, a symbol of values we once had. I understand from a thematic stand point it makes sense, it's just a very startling sign of the times that we can't even have Superman representing america anymore.

At least we still have Batman

Captain America is a better "American Superhero" in every sense.

He's a great character too, but not everyone is from America on planet Earth.

What I always liked about Supes was the Kryptonian heritage and that he could stand for everyone on his adopted planet, not just his adopted country.

Read Red Son, where baby Kal El's ship crashes in Siberia, and not Kansas for a very interesting and awesome take on the story.

Also, if people don't follow the books or even like the character, why bother posting?
Surely it won't matter a jot to you if he flies around naked with his arse painted blue?

I think this is a natural step and an interesting one.

And before I get flamed as being a fanboy, look at my avatar for my allegiances.

 

[For.I.Am.Mad]

DC's trying to get that international money.

 

[tzimize]

Civil War was bad, and you should feel bad for using it to support how awesome Cap is.

I actually found Civil War to be immensly interesting. And without having read every Captain America issue back to back I have to say that he was at his most interesting ever by FAR in that series. His conflict with Iron Man was just fantastic, as was the issue: The Confession.

GREAT comic work.

If you haven't already, do yourself a favor and grab Brubaker's run on Cap, if you want to read a really well written Steve (and Bucky).

I've come to discover that most of the people that really enjoyed CW weren't big followers of Marvel's stuff before the event. Most of the long time fans were left slack jawed at how out of character a lot of the heroes were being. But I'll totally admit that Confession was some great stuff.

Thanks for the tip! I'll see if I can get a hold of it somehow

 

[Worgen]

This actually makes me very sad. Superman is an american icon, a symbol of values we once had. I understand from a thematic stand point it makes sense, it's just a very startling sign of the times that we can't even have Superman representing america anymore.

At least we still have Batman

they actually added for the america way later on... I think either during ww2 or the 50s when we were afraid of the commies and really with all the brouhaha over immigration and all that bs its not like he would exactly feel welcomed even if everyone did smile to his face, really the most surprising thing is that they waited till now to do it, during the bush years would have made much more sense

 

[ZtH]

Superman adds tax evasion to his list of super powers...

This whole thing is pretty silly honestly, who cares where he has citizenship with? Why do people care that he renounced his citizenship? Why do people mind that he's going to be a global superhero?

 

[DocBalance]

Also, Watchmen. The bad guy wins.

Nitpick: Is it really the bad guy winning if his scheme is to create world peace? Yeah, he pulled some dick moves to get there, but in the end he actually helped everyone. Needs of the many vs. Needs of the few, etc.

OT: This really just seems like shameless political maneuvering on the part of DC, and I'm a bit disappointed that someone behind Batman Beyond would sink to that level. I'm not going to say that DC has sold out to the "left agenda" or anything that blatantly retarded, I'm just saying that with all the generalized hatred of America, the majority of which is really directed towards a man who no longer has any power, it's just a cheap cash-in of political cred, imho.

 

[TheRundownRabbit]

I liked Superman when he was just a super-hero fighting bad guys, now they fucked it up by dragging realism and political correctness into it

 

[Plurralbles]

Super heroes dont' really work anymore.

If you're starting to think of the real world-like ramifications of what superman does, you've lost your heart for comics- especially if you're busy putting your political views in yoru work.