**Terror in Oslo** UPDATE: Anders Breivik gets 8 weeks of custody

[Ledan]

- We've also made quite a bad impression on the people in countries with muslim religions because some years ago, some guy made a caricature of Mohammad, their holy prophet. This infuriated a lot of muslims, and I believe they are still burning flags and Norwegian stuff down there, as well as right after the caricatures, they started assaulting Norwegian Embassies.

Wasn't that in Denmark?

That was a Danish comic, but Sweden and Norway got shit from it as well because many people (not just Muslims) can't tell the difference between us......

 

[e033x]

There has been an exchange of gunfire on utøya, not far from oslo.

At a labour party youth convention with at least one prominent politician attending. The PM was sceduled to hold a speech there tomorrow. The PM's party's headquarters was near the explotion in Oslo as well. Deliberate much?

EDIT 2: Oh, and the PM's office was in the most severly damaged building. Someone must hate teh labour party with all their heart.

Que fuck?

EDIT:

- We've also made quite a bad impression on the people in countries with muslim religions because some years ago, some guy made a caricature of Mohammad, their holy prophet. This infuriated a lot of muslims, and I believe they are still burning flags and Norwegian stuff down there, as well as right after the caricatures, they started assaulting Norwegian Embassies.

Wasn't that in Denmark?

That was a Danish comic, but Sweden and Norway got shit from it as well because many people (not just Muslims) can't tell the difference between us......

We also posted the caricatures in our nwespapers several times.

 

[Ninjasander]

Like you, I didn't want to go into detail.
But here's a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

But don't try to tell me that any religion is better than the other, because they aren't.

Also, did you know that only 6% of all the terrorist attacks done in the U.S. are done by muslims?

EDIT: But lets stop before we turn this thread into religion vs. religion, someone has already commented on it. If you want to continue this discussion, lets do it with PMs.

Mkay, you don't seem to understand the scale of current muslim violence (KKK? Please.) if you're going to compare that with what you just linked. And I'm not even talking about terrorism just on foreign ground. The stuff they do to each other just because they're of a different denomination does not compare to anything christians have done in Northern Ireland, which is the largest case of in-fighting in christianity.

And again, if this wasn't clear enough, I'm not saying christianity is all that much better. It's just as irrational and groundless as Islam. In terms of current threat to society, though, there's no comparison.

I understand the scale, and I did not try to use that link as comparison. I was just trying to make an example.

And I can say that I actually agree with everything you said just now, I probably just didn't like the way you worded yourself the first time. If I misunderstood what you meant, then I'm sorry.

Now, let this be the end of the discussion!

 

[DracoSuave]

How can a "suspicious car" ( a van stuffed with explosives should mark suspicion ) get so close to such a important building in Oslo? I don;t know about you , but if I wanted to park my car outside the Parliament 1. I wouldn't be allowed if I wasn't a employ , 2 I would almost immediately trigger the security system .

Not trying to minimize the tragedy , but Norway might want to tighten its security in these troubled times . Also , lets not kid ourselves , this has terrorist attack all over it . Norway residents are very peaceful people ( 1 crime per year or even 0? ) and have it better than most of Europe now due to oil , so , no , I am 100% sure a Norwegian wouldn't be able to do this . This is the way we Europeans are repaid for allowing foreigners to live their lives here , almost always with religion freedom ( Oh , hai , France ) . Think it's time we stop and make a more drastic immigration policy , especially for the likes that may cause harm to our citizens ( people that seem to not be able to understand anything past the Quran ,former terrorist members now going "good" etc)

1) Ismaili and Asmadi Islam denounces acts of violence and terror. These are the most numerous sects of Islam in the Europe. Why? The Quran tells them it is very very very wrong.

The more you know!

2) Most terrorist attacks are performed by nationals, not by foreigners.

 

[Spacewolf]

How can a "suspicious car" ( a van stuffed with explosives should mark suspicion ) get so close to such a important building in Oslo? I don;t know about you , but if I wanted to park my car outside the Parliament 1. I wouldn't be allowed if I wasn't a employ , 2 I would almost immediately trigger the security system .

Not trying to minimize the tragedy , but Norway might want to tighten its security in these troubled times . Also , lets not kid ourselves , this has terrorist attack all over it . Norway residents are very peaceful people ( 1 crime per year or even 0? ) and have it better than most of Europe now due to oil , so , no , I am 100% sure a Norwegian wouldn't be able to do this . This is the way we Europeans are repaid for allowing foreigners to live their lives here , almost always with religion freedom ( Oh , hai , France ) . Think it's time we stop and make a more drastic immigration policy , especially for the likes that may cause harm to our citizens ( people that seem to not be able to understand anything past the Quran ,former terrorist members now going "good" etc)

one of the reasons that security is so tight in britain is that British police have been dealing with terroists longer than others even then look at what the IRA got away with when they where bombing manchester etc

 

[Buddhika Kasun]

Rip That killed people , but they must know it , government must know it. Norway supported L.T.T.E on past 30 years , gave money weapons etc... , did you now how many people killed, over 100,000 , they were our families , so how we was suffer past 30 years , can u guess

 

[Ledan]

How can a "suspicious car" ( a van stuffed with explosives should mark suspicion ) get so close to such a important building in Oslo? I don;t know about you , but if I wanted to park my car outside the Parliament 1. I wouldn't be allowed if I wasn't a employ , 2 I would almost immediately trigger the security system .

Not trying to minimize the tragedy , but Norway might want to tighten its security in these troubled times . Also , lets not kid ourselves , this has terrorist attack all over it . Norway residents are very peaceful people ( 1 crime per year or even 0? ) and have it better than most of Europe now due to oil , so , no , I am 100% sure a Norwegian wouldn't be able to do this . This is the way we Europeans are repaid for allowing foreigners to live their lives here , almost always with religion freedom ( Oh , hai , France ) . Think it's time we stop and make a more drastic immigration policy , especially for the likes that may cause harm to our citizens ( people that seem to not be able to understand anything past the Quran ,former terrorist members now going "good" etc)

You obviously don't know how tight the immigration policy for Scandinavian countries already is. To get into Sweden from a 3rd world country, you must already have a job there or have family ties to the country (including marriage), and papers recognized by the government. An you have no right to discriminate simply because people come from a certain part of the world.
BTW, it would be EASIER fora Norwegian to do this and they are completely capable. All it takes is one nut with access to explosives.

 

[drisky]

Doing some research, this could have something to do with it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

"In December 2010, a report in al-Quds al-Arabi asserted that the Palestinian Authority no longer regards itself as being bound by the Oslo Accords; however, as of June 2011 the PA has not made any official declaration to that effect."

I don't want to point fingers but thats about all I could find for reasons why Olso would be targeted.

I have to say that I just hope the attacks are done, with that shooting there could be several planed attacks and it has me worried.

 

[Vampire cat]

Rip That killed people , but they must know it , government must know it. Norway supported L.T.T.E on past 30 years , gave money weapons etc... , did you now how many people killed, over 100,000 , they were our families , so how we was suffer past 30 years , can u guess

This is your first post on the forum, please don't troll us...

 

[e033x]

Rip That killed people , but they must know it , government must know it. Norway supported L.T.T.E on past 30 years , gave money weapons etc... , did you now how many people killed, over 100,000 , they were our families , so how we was suffer past 30 years , can u guess

Source? AFAIK Norways involvement in the Sri Lanka conflict was of a purely political/diplomatic nature.

 

[Amondren]

I pray for the family of those who died.

 

[Ninjasander]

I won't point any fingers (yet), but everytime I see the "well, Christianity used to be really violent too!", my blood boils. In WHAT WAY does that excuse what is happening now? If, for example, a black man murders someone, is this excusable with "well, white people are murderers too!". It's not even related.
I'm also ashamed about the fact that I have to point this out, but my statement of a black / white person above has NOTHING to do with my own views on any "race", if you even wish to put people into different "races". The example works even if you change places of the black and white man.

Keep in mind, I'm not defending christianity, islam, buddhism, ANYTHING. Nor am I blaming anything. I just want to point out the ignorance of the argument in itself.

On topic: I really hope there won't be more attacks of this kind. Norway is a great example of a successful country, and they haven't done jack to deserve this as far as I am informed of.
I wish you the best of luck from your neighbour, Sweden!

Oh damn, sorry! I did not plan for it to be taken like that. I was not trying to excuse the things being done today.

I myself hate when others blame the religion as a whole instead of the people actually executing the attacks.

But trying to explain everything I was trying to say would just be pointless and serve no purpose in this thread.

I'm sorry for my earlier post, I should've been better at wording myself.

 

[andeve3]

According to eyewitnesses four people have been shot on utøya. Police are rushing there fully armed.

 

[Dieter Meyer]

The global helpers of Jihad has taken the blame for the attack, according to what I just heard on a Norwegian newschannel.

Political youth camp shooting: So far there have been 4 casualties out there, people are now trying to swim from the youth camp to the mainland (about 1km)

 

[thelonewolf266]

It's funny that you say that because throughout history, christianity has been a very violent religion. The Crusades, I'm looking at you.

And the Bible is full of bad morals, and so is the Quran, mainly because they both are old outdated books. But both books also contain good morals.

And christians being more tolerant and less violent; there's no truth in that, unless you can show me proof. Don't try to blame all the muslims for what very few of them does.

Something I don't like about this is all the people jumping on the "muslims did it" bandwagon.
Just check the comments on the youtube video and see what I mean.

Yes, this was probably done by an EXTREMIST muslim group. Don't judge all of them because what very few of them does.

It pisses me off!

An extremist muslim is still a muslim. So, if a muslim extremist group did this, the people saying "muslims did it" are, in fact, factually correct.

Yes, it is. But that was not my point.
I don't like that they try to put all muslims in the same group!

Racism is just going to get worse in this country after this.

Well, they do all get their 'moral' teachings from the same books. The fact that followers of islam in general are more violent and intolerant than the followers of christianity, for instance, speaks volumes for the reason of xenophobia towards muslims.

Look at me, railing on muslims like that. If I say much more, I'm likely to get warned, so enough about them.

It's funny that you say that because throughout history, christianity has been a very violent religion. The Crusades, I'm looking at you.

And the Bible is full of bad morals, and so is the Quran, mainly because they both are old outdated books. But both books also contain good morals.

And christians being more tolerant and less violent; there's no truth in that, unless you can show me proof. Don't try to blame all the muslims for what very few of them does.

Thank you finally someone with some sense the crusades where much worse than anything that extremist Muslims have done in the modern age and the reason you don't see many Christian extremists on the same level as Muslims is A the media wouldn't report it because it wouldn't be popular at all and B A lot of Christian live in developed countries and therefore aren't being invaded by said developed countries and so aren't pushed to the point where they think killing themselves and other people is the only way forward.

 

[Macrobstar]

I wish the terrorists could keep to bombing each other instead of us, what did Norway do to anger them?

Just a few months ago they tried to set off a bomb in Sweden aswell, luckily the guy messed up and only he died, but still. Sweden is one of the countries that takes in the most immigrants from the Arab countries, you would think they would be grateful, guess not.

How do you know the terrorist was an arab?

 

[Deadlock Radium]

The global helpers of Jihad has taken the blame for the attack, according to what I just heard on a Norwegian newschannel.

Political youth camp shooting: So far there have been 4 casualties out there, people are now trying to swim from the youth camp to the mainland (about 1km)

I just heard that too from Radio Norway, and I think it's terrible. At the same time, someone should get their boats out and help the escaping people, as some of them might not be able to swim 1km in the ice cold ocean.

 

[Sunrider]

I won't point any fingers (yet), but everytime I see the "well, Christianity used to be really violent too!", my blood boils. In WHAT WAY does that excuse what is happening now? If, for example, a black man murders someone, is this excusable with "well, white people are murderers too!". It's not even related.
I'm also ashamed about the fact that I have to point this out, but my statement of a black / white person above has NOTHING to do with my own views on any "race", if you even wish to put people into different "races". The example works even if you change places of the black and white man.

Keep in mind, I'm not defending christianity, islam, buddhism, ANYTHING. Nor am I blaming anything. I just want to point out the ignorance of the argument in itself.

On topic: I really hope there won't be more attacks of this kind. Norway is a great example of a successful country, and they haven't done jack to deserve this as far as I am informed of.
I wish you the best of luck from your neighbour, Sweden!

Oh damn, sorry! I did not plan for it to be taken like that. I was not trying to excuse the things being done today.

I myself hate when others blame the religion as a whole instead of the people actually executing the attacks.

But trying to explain everything I was trying to say would just be pointless and serve no purpose in this thread.

I'm sorry for my earlier post, I should've been better at wording myself.

I didn't neccessarily mean you and only you. I just see it each and every day on several different forums and on several different topics.
I didn't mean to throw any dirt on you either, it's all cool. =)

 

[Logarithmic Limbo]

Pic from the aftermath

Spoiler: Kind of graphic

According to some reports there are four more dead from the shooting at Utøya, and several wounded. The shooting at Utøya is still ongoing.