"That's not cheating" - A Pokemon arguement

[chadachada123]

Your game exploded, meaning that you are now unable to take your completely legit Pokemon from that game to the next generation when you decide to buy the next game in the series.

In my opinion, this justifies making a new party to replace the old one, so long as you don't give yourself any advantage. Being your game, it's all up to you, and it sucks that your party won't be tourney-legal anymore, but I don't blame you in the slightest for wanting to get back what you already worked for.

Legendaries included. If they were legit the first time, the second time shouldn't be considered "cheating" in the general sense (even if it is in the technical sense).

 

[RollForInitiative]

Altering the game? Yes, you're cheating. Playing by yourself? Then nobody cares.

It's a tree falling in the forest. The only question is whether anybody will be around to hear it fall. As long as you stay out of multiplayer fights, then I don't see an issue.

Still cheating though.

 

[Polaris19]

Not cheating. You got cheated of some of your favourtie pokemon (or rare), so your just getting back what you lost.

As long as that's all you use it for, your fine.

 

[spacecowboy86]

I respect your opinion, but sort of disagree. While you have just motives, I think any sort of meddling with your game like that is "cheating", even if it completely sucks.
On another topic, I thought that maybe this was gonna be an argument similar to one a friend of mine had with me recently about pokemon, which is that switching out without having a move like volt switch or U-turn, is "cheap".

 

[chadachada123]

While thats the other issue; if I ever to go to an official event of kind, I would get thrown out, because even though my team would be completely legal (I'm not using to actually make illegal Pokemon here, no WonderTombs or anything like that), the manner in which I'd have to get them would get me disqualified, even though I'd have no actual advantage.

Well lets say for intense we were talking about winning the Olympic 100 meter dash instead. You and this other guy are the only real competitors and have a shot at winning the gold. Lets assume you two had entirely equal muscle masses/strengths in all places. Now lets say he trained his ass off doing whatever Olympic athletes do and you just shot up steroids. Would you say that you have the advantage? You have everything he does; you just got it a different way.

That's a completely false analogy, though. It'd be as if he trained his ass off, and you ALSO trained your ass off, but then lost your legs in an explosion. After getting false legs that are purposely stunted to ONLY equal what your leg strength used to be, re-entering the Olympics.

I'd still say you shouldn't be allowed in the Olympics, but I'd have a lot of sympathy for you, because you didn't cheat your way up or try to get an artificial advantage.

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Regarding the "stupid" new Pokémon [http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/302]

 

[Solo-Wing]

If your not using it in multi-player then who gives a damn. Hell I got a AR for my PS2 and I can't remember the amount of times I gave myself Infinite health on Resident Evil 4 and killed all the enemies I found with Melee attacks. Of course I did this after beating the game because I didn't want to spoil the experience but after? I went AWAL on those villagers.
If you don't cheat multiplayer then go nuts.

 

[charlest92]

as long as you raise them from the beginning who gives a damn.

 

[Risingblade]

As long as you aren't off bragging about what AR got you and aren't using those pokemon in against others it's all good

 

[Jopoho]

If you really hate all of the new pokemon, I would say just pick up an older gba pokemon game (or a new platinum cartridge) and do a nuzlocke run.

On Topic: It's cheating, yes, but it's not on the same level as just whipping up a super team.

 

[Baneat]

Does anyone care? I don't and I am sure Nintendo doesn't.

Actually, Nintendo does. If he shows up to any events with that team, he'll be booted out faster than he can say "Pokemon".

The point is, it IS cheating. Whether you're okay with cheating or not is up to you, but that doesn't change what it is.

Haha you absolutely cannot prove any pokemon is manufactured artificially at all. They only have so much information assigned to them, and Pokesav can spoof every single thing. As long as your stats are within the parameters of the game (No EV/IV beyond possibility), the trainer ID is correct and it's not actually impossible to have (Like 2 mewtwos caught by the same guy or whatever) it's undetectable.

As long as you adhere to the in-game rules I see no issue with ARing for events anyway, why should guy X beat guy Y because when he caught some pokemon it randomly had better IVs than X's?

 

[zedel]

Yes it is cheating. You are using a device specifically meant to hack the game. I can understand why you are doing it, but it is still cheating. You were supposed to start with tepig/oshawott/snivy, not cyndaquil. Cheating to get pokemon that you are unable to get in the game is still cheating.

It doesn't matter if the conditions to get them are ridiculous or even if it is no longer possible to get them, because that was the point of making them event only pokemon. It is still cheating if you are doing it to unlock something that will eventually be unlocked anyway.

I don't really care if you are cheating (which you are), as long as you don't use your "illegitimate" 'mons online.

TL;DR: It is cheating, but if you keep it out of multiplayer, it makes no difference to me.

Its cheating if you use it to make you impossible to beat in battles against people. But in a single player game, what you do to increase enjoyment is your own buisness.
I want to catch every single pokemone up to Gen 3, but I intend to "cheat" to do so. How? Simply giving myself the promotional items for the boat so I can legitmatly catch Mew, Jurachi, Celebi and Deoxys.
Not my fault Game Freaks set impossible goals for us. Gotta Catch Them All? Fine. But Ill need aid.

Those 2 bolded words. They contradict each other. If you are cheating you are not getting it legitimately.

I had typed out a response only to realize that the post directly above the "Reply to Thread" box had already covered my response... Anyway, I share xdom's general opinion.

I would, however, like to add that I feel the stigma surrounding single-player "cheating" is somewhat silly. If you want to alter the game to increase your enjoyment, that's your business. : /

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Well, you aren't cheating any more than what you were cheated out of from having your game explode. As long as you're not beefing up in a way that wouldn't be aligned with natural gameplay, then people who take it too seriously are just... people who take it too seriously.

this.

as long as you aren't going into online play with a E-penis the size of the titanic, and your just doing it for single player amusement, why not? honestly? it's your game, no big deal.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I wouldn't say it's "cheating" per-se, but I'd advise against it, just because I reckon it'd take away from the game. Most of the fun of playing a new pokemon game is going through the trials and tribulations set in the story.
I'd advide you use the AR after you finish the story. Think of it as a reward.


Also, you really think this looks stupid? Because I reckon it's sufficiently tits and/or awesome. I thought the same thing as you when I first saw the new pokemon, but I've grown to accept and really enjoy fighting new and exciting things in the game. . .

. . . Like Maractus, the awesome dancing maracca cactus! And lets be honest, is it really any stupider looking than most of the older pokemon?

actually out of all the new pokemon, i fucking hate those crocodile based pokemon. fuck them, they are annoying as piss, they are like what koffing/zubat was to team rocket, just annoying and over-used.

 

[Death God]

Not if your just using it to reclaim what you earned. If you use it for getting extras with them, then yes. But no, your not cheating.

 

[AugustFall]

Cheating. By that logic I could just give myself every pokemon I want with perfect IVs rather than finding them and catching them a million times to get a good one.

That's like the people who play MTG with cards they've just printed out.

Edit: Wait, if you're just playing single player then go for it. That's fine.

 

[pigmy wurm]

I think it is cheating and the process of starting with a bunch of sub par pokemon and watching some hold their value while finding that others suck and have to get replaced is part of the charm. If a pokemon game gave me a complete team right off the bat and they were all great pokemon that would get really good as they evolve I would probably get bored of it. But, that is what I get out of it, so if you want to cheat the game that is fine. And yeah it is cheating, but I remember when no one cared if you cheated in video games. If you enjoy it, and it isn't being done at someone else's expense who cares

And I think someone might have said this but it is possible to legitimately get every single pokemon that legitimately released in black and white either through the game it's self or through trades with diamond/platinum and heart gold/soul silver.

Although I do think a lot of the event pokemon stuff is BS. I got back into pokemon with black and white after not having played it since gen I (also played fire red, but same pokemon)so it's not just that I wasn't in japan; I simply wasn't playing when a lot of this stuff happened. Now, I don't actually want a super legendary team, and while I would like to be able to have a complete pokedex I don't care that much, but it is still really annoying. Also the only way to get Zorua or a Zoroark in black and white is through event pokemon from a previous generation, and they aren't even legendary them selves. I was looking for a decent dark type to round out my team, saw zoroark on bulbapedia, went to look where I would get it, and found that I would need either a special event version of one of the legendary beasts or a Celebi. Now I probably could find a way to get them legitimately if I wanted to, but while I expect that you have to do special stuff for legendary pokemon and that some are given out as exclusives (hence why they are so over powered) it was really discouraging to not be able to get a completely normal pokemon through the game it's self or a simple trade.

 

[Aris Khandr]

I was looking for a decent dark type to round out my team, saw zoroark on bulbapedia, went to look where I would get it, and found that I would need either a special event version of one of the legendary beasts or a Celebi. Now I probably could find a way to get them legitimately if I wanted to, but while I expect that you have to do special stuff for legendary pokemon and that some are given out as exclusives (hence why they are so over powered) it was really discouraging to not be able to get a completely normal pokemon through the game it's self or a simple trade.

Actually, Zoroa is breedable, so it wouldn't take much to trade for one.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

You can do whatever you want in your solo game, you bought it so it isn't cheating. As long as you don't do anything to affect online competitions then you are fine.

By the way Black and White was leaps and bounds better than the Diamond/Pearl fiasco.

 

[mjc0961]

However, when I mentioned that if I did get Black or White I would also most likely get an Action Replay in order to get back the Pokemon I lost from my former game, and to make it so that I don't have to use the new Pokemon (use the AR to force National Dex from the start, give myself the basic forms of my team from before to train up just like I would've in the older games), he called me a cheater, and was quite insistent about it.

Yep. That is absolutely, 100% cheating. You aren't supposed to have the National Dex at the start, nor are you supposed to start with a full team of 6 previous generation Pokémon. You're meant to get access to those things after you defeat the Elite Four and the events that happen right after that, and you're altering the game so you have them from the start. To deny that you're cheating is foolish. However, as long as you're not going online with a bunch of Wonderguard Spiritombs with 31 IVs and 252 EVs in everything, you are not some evil whatever it was you said.

tl;dr: You're cheating, but as long as you're not screwing over other players with your cheating, enjoy your game.

Also, you really think this looks stupid?
http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/krookodile.jpg

It has a giant penis for a nose. Of course I think it looks stupid.