The Avengers and Hawkeye [Mass Opinion Centered]
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I liked him. Despite only having a bow and arrows, he held his own pretty well alongside a team of superheroes.
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1. guy gets brainwashed insantly
2. he only screws the ship up like that because of his gadgets i mean id like to see him do that with a normal arrow
3. he doesnt really do much for the good guys he just takes out a few bad guys with his arrows and all the call stuff he does are because of the gadgets he was given
4. black widow knocks him out cold and beats his ass
5.the whole build up for his beef with loki ends up in failure... i wanna put an arrow in his eye oh look at that he caught it... because hes against at 21st century archer
1. guy gets brainwashed insantly
2. he only screws the ship up like that because of his gadgets i mean id like to see him do that with a normal arrow
3. he doesnt really do much for the good guys he just takes out a few bad guys with his arrows and all the call stuff he does are because of the gadgets he was given
4. black widow knocks him out cold and beats his ass
5.the whole build up for his beef with loki ends up in failure... i wanna put an arrow in his eye oh look at that he caught it... because hes against at 21st century archer
TheCaptain said:
I think that his time spent under Loki's control was where he shined, he completely tore through all of shields defences and made shield look pretty incompetent (admittedly that isn't hard to do) he seemed like an actual threat.
He did get overshadowed in the final battle though but i still think 'lesser' characters are needed for the story.. You can't have Iron Man sitting on a roof as a lookout, you need Hawkeye for that.
EDIT: also for people saying using a Bow is lame... how would guns have improved him? Half of his usefulness came from the fact his bow has extreme range and his arrows are multi purpose. Unless you can get a sniper rifle with timed explosive rounds or grappling hook rounds, his bow is just about the best thing out there.
"Lame" is pretty much the best word that could be used to describe him, as far as I can tell. Judging by The Avengers movie alone (and I'm sure he's much better in the comics etc), he's just crap. His personality is not interesting (does he actually have one?), his super power is "being good at shooting a bow" for Christ's sake and he does precisely one memorable thing in the entire movie, which is that explosive arrow part.
You could remove him from the film entirely and it wouldn't change in the slightest. The mooks would attack and destroy the Shield aircraft by themselves with a bazooka or something, and I dunno, Iron man would blast Loki at that one part I guess. Or whoever else was nearby.
"The guy, with ONE FUCKING ARROW makes an explosion so large in the Shield aircraft's turbine that the whole thing was at risk to plummet."
Yeah, that's not impressive at all really. Wasn't he given explosive arrows? The only impressive part about him is his aim (as far as I know after watching the movie), and that alone isn't really enough to make me care.
You could remove him from the film entirely and it wouldn't change in the slightest. The mooks would attack and destroy the Shield aircraft by themselves with a bazooka or something, and I dunno, Iron man would blast Loki at that one part I guess. Or whoever else was nearby.
"The guy, with ONE FUCKING ARROW makes an explosion so large in the Shield aircraft's turbine that the whole thing was at risk to plummet."
Yeah, that's not impressive at all really. Wasn't he given explosive arrows? The only impressive part about him is his aim (as far as I know after watching the movie), and that alone isn't really enough to make me care.
Take out the "origin" part and you got yourself a deal.DVS BSTrD said:
By that logic doesn't Stark do literally nothing without his suit ? I'd like to see him restart the helicarrier's engine in an Armani.fatmrbunko said:
Erm. Batman doesn't have to revolve everything around an obsolete weapon that's his sole purpose for existing. He might write "bat" on everything he owns, but that's not the same as making everything an arrow.remnant_phoenix said:
Now, if he had a magic bow and arrows, fine, Thor has a magic hammer, whatever. As it is, it's just silly.
Just dawned on me, you're right. It was far more impressive when he took out the Helicarrier engine - with the careful taking aim and still hitting the inside of the engine through the wind and whatnot - than the overly flashy stuff in the final battle (like when he shot the "Chitauri" behind him without even looking) which made him look like Legolas.Ilikemilkshake said:
Well, the suit and the tech are kinda part of Tony. Also, he gets to be more entertaining both in and out of the suit.toomuchnothing said:
Also, even if we go with the statement that both are only as good as there gadgets... If you could have either a full flying spiffy-looking suit of power armor with a built-in link to your personal assistant AI or a pretty usual-looking modern bow and a quiver that screws a variety of arrowheads on yout arrows, which one would you want?
This is in reply with everyone, YES. Joss Whedon is amazing with team balancing and just having a team blend well together. I personally wouldn't had thought Bruce and Tony would become best buddies, and Black Widow as a character was pretty threatening.Dastardly said:
Cept in that last battle...I think her dinky little pistols weren't that effective. At least Hawkeye's arrows could fucking explode.
And yes, when I ask people personally "Oh yeah, Hawkeye was a bamf." But when I look across the internet, I don't see any of that. Like many people said, for being on a team with a rage monster, a god, a super soldier and a suit of armor, Hawkeye does a pretty good job at holding his own weight.
Not to mention he nearly murdered all of them half way through the movie.
I wasn't bothered by Black Widow being a woman at all. Only here on the internet I read the typical teenage-male reactions.
I'm fine with all characters. Hawkeye was in my opinion just as good as the others - the accuracy has with a bow is nearly godlike anyway ~_~
I'm fine with all characters. Hawkeye was in my opinion just as good as the others - the accuracy has with a bow is nearly godlike anyway ~_~
Exactly. Magic him magic or go away. Or have him played by Milla Jovovich, I guess.Spot1990 said:
First of all I don't believe I ever said either was only as good as their gadgets since I was responding to someone else's comment that was along those lines. Secondly,its not a matter of want or choice you get both because they are on the same team. The whole last 40 minutes of the film showed that they complemented each other and thats the only reason they came out on top.TheCaptain said:
Just take for example when Hawkeye is calling out group movements and patterns and Stark is being chased down by 6 or so speeders, Hawkeye points out the fact that they can't turn on a dime and suggest Stark take them into some sharp turns. He does exactly that killing them all. Could Hawkeye or Stark have done that alone? No.
This isn't making a sports team and deciding who gets to play and who gets benched.
Out of the group, Hawk Eye and Blackwidow are boring. How they can survive along with super powered group mates is unrealistic. They would both be fucked within the first fight. She cant go toe to toe with the villians and Hawkeye can be killed easily and its not like he is a sniper who kills from afar. He is there in the middle of it all.
Honestly, I think Ironman is a better representation of Batman, but that's my thinking. Although I do agree, Batman is at the same level of useful in the Justice League as Hawkeye is in the Avengers. But someone once said, the Justice League isn't much of a team, but a collection of heroes to give them an excuse to team up easily. The Avengers on the other hand are actually a team of heroes, each specialized to do their part. Hawkeye isn't just there to be there, he has a reason for being there. Hawkeye and Black Widow, as the movie hints at, and the comics play out, are the Infiltration pair. Black Widows' the spy, Hawkeye's the sniper.remnant_phoenix said:
Hell, the Avengers fall under this specialized team thing so well, you could literally pair every member with a role in an MMO. Hell, I spent a long while thinking who was what D&D class. Hawkeye's a ranger, Black Widow's a rogue, Iron Man's a caster, Hulk's a barbarian, Thor's the Paladin and Captain America is the fighter-tank bred. Now granted, you could easily argue Hulk, Captain and Thor all could fall under each others' roles, but the rest are set in stone.
It isn't just 'a bow', though. It's a SHIELD designed super tech bow, and Hawkeye is the best in what he does. Someone says that he sounds more like an Olympic archer. You know what? Olympic archers don't shoot moving targets in the middle of a battlefield with precise aim and constant awareness of their surroundings.thaluikhain said:
As to people complaining Black Widow was useless, she was the one that actually proved capable of outfoxing Loki, the God of Tricksters and Deceit! Plus she managed to do a decent job of holding her own in the war with her specialized handgun and hand-to-hand skills.
Hawkeye and Black Widow are essentially the best-trained agents SHIELD has, aside from Nick Fury who runs the damn place.
And why are people complaining that Captain America is underpowered? He's the god-damn super soldier! He has increased strength, speed, agility, endurance, reflexes, pain endurance, and a ton of balls. Not to mention the indestructible shield that he can throw around better than any Olympian can throw a discus. He's probably even made of tougher stuff in general, considering his arms didn't shatter when Thor smacked his shield, and he was able to get up and walk off an alien blaster shot to the gut.
Only thing I find wrong with Hawkeye is the lack of a mask. Everyone else gets a pretty accurate costume, and Hawkeye just gets his colors (Well Thor lacks his helmet, I hate that tooDrgoFx said:
)Besides I feel HawkEye and Black widow proved you don't need to have super powers to be useful.