The Avengers and Hawkeye [Mass Opinion Centered]
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Hawkeye was really cool after he got going. I loved what Tony called him, too. I won't say as some may not have seen it yet.
I'm not too upset over Thor's lack of a helmet. I mean, you can tell it's Thor by his outfit. But I did think Hawkeye's outfit was a bit...not hawkeye. Black Widow is easily excused since her outfit is meant to be a black jumpsuit. Loki I wish they had done a bit more with his design, make the antlers a tad bit smaller. I was laughing at him for a while...then he went insane at Romanoff and I just was stunned. Guy was pretty threatening.Aurgelmir said:Only thing I find wrong with Hawkeye is the lack of a mask. Everyone else gets a pretty accurate costume, and Hawkeye just gets his colors (Well Thor lacks his helmet, I hate that too)
Besides I feel HawkEye and Black widow proved you don't need to have super powers to be useful.
And again, too many people miss the small details of the team. If you watch that big fight at the end, they all assist each other perfectly in such a fluid motion, it's hard to think only one of them could do it on their own. In fact, I don't think Loki could have done what he did without Hawkeye's help.
For me, the entire bow thing is just a bit too silly for me, even though this is the avengers. I mean this is 2012. We have guns. Guns shoot fast and are fast to reload, a bow shoots quite fast and is slow to reload. I would've much preferred to see him being all kinds of awesome with a Barret .50 cal, that would've made a bit more sense.
Seeing him with a bow just seemed too gimmicky. Like when he stepped into his armory, he saw the much better and practical sniper rifle, but choose the douchey bow so that he could show of some more, even though it's not as good.
Seeing him with a bow just seemed too gimmicky. Like when he stepped into his armory, he saw the much better and practical sniper rifle, but choose the douchey bow so that he could show of some more, even though it's not as good.
I don't know what happens in the movie, but the bow allows for arrows with a variety of properties: explosions and nets or non-lethal etc. You could replicate most of those things with bullets, but it would be cumbersome to switch quickly (shoot exploding bullet, change the clip to net bullet etc.)IamQ said:
From a dramatic standpoint, "oh noes! I only have one arrow left, and it is the boxing glove arrow!" is more interesting and allows for more creativity when compared to "my clip is empty."
Agree to disagree. I don't see the difference between "he's just that well trained (good)" and "he's just that highly irradiated by gamma rays" or "he's just that inventor-y."Spot1990 said:
Anyway, that's why I like the term preternatural. Something about the character is special enough (comic book version of a savant) to push them beyond normal in whatever aspect(s) but without a clearly distinguished source (alien, mutation, tech, etc.)
And it sort of sounds more like a problem with fans, not powers/no-powers.
Also I think Hawkeye played his role quite well when he was calling out the enemies to Ironman.DrgoFx said:I'm not too upset over Thor's lack of a helmet. I mean, you can tell it's Thor by his outfit. But I did think Hawkeye's outfit was a bit...not hawkeye. Black Widow is easily excused since her outfit is meant to be a black jumpsuit. Loki I wish they had done a bit more with his design, make the antlers a tad bit smaller. I was laughing at him for a while...then he went insane at Romanoff and I just was stunned. Guy was pretty threatening.Aurgelmir said:Only thing I find wrong with Hawkeye is the lack of a mask. Everyone else gets a pretty accurate costume, and Hawkeye just gets his colors (Well Thor lacks his helmet, I hate that too
Besides I feel HawkEye and Black widow proved you don't need to have super powers to be useful.
And again, too many people miss the small details of the team. If you watch that big fight at the end, they all assist each other perfectly in such a fluid motion, it's hard to think only one of them could do it on their own. In fact, I don't think Loki could have done what he did without Hawkeye's help.
Did you completely miss all the things he did with the bow? I mean that is rather hard to do with just a .50... Also the bow is a lot more agile (read lighter).IamQ said:
So yeah the bow isn't just a gimmick, I would say that Hawkeye was just as or more effective as Black Widow who actually had a pistol.
Really? Thats what I found the most lame about Hawkeye and Black Widow (disclaimer: I have not read the comics). The fact they are just "super good with X". I find it unrealistic. All the others have some kind of cool, kind of plausible excuse as to why they are superheroes, while these are just "uhhm... I'm just really good lol". I mean, c'mon... no one can get that good without some sort of mumbo jumbo being done to themWolfThomas said:
I liked Hawkeye well enough, I thought he had a decent role and he did kick quite a lot of ass though of course he is going to be outclassed by the power house super heroes in a straight fight. Personality needs more development but since he spent most the movie brainwashed there really wasn?t much time to show that.
Black widow was pretty good too (tho I?m not 100% sure she actually tricked Loki, I think he might have intentionally slipped up and pointed at the Hulk to create tension in the team). I think Joss did a decent job of integrating her into the team but she never really got a chance to shine in that movie. She is a spy, fighting aliens and gods is not what she is best at. I think she need her own movie or one where infiltration/ intelligence gathering is more important. Hell they could kill two birds with one stone and have a movie with both her and Hawkeye.
Black widow was pretty good too (tho I?m not 100% sure she actually tricked Loki, I think he might have intentionally slipped up and pointed at the Hulk to create tension in the team). I think Joss did a decent job of integrating her into the team but she never really got a chance to shine in that movie. She is a spy, fighting aliens and gods is not what she is best at. I think she need her own movie or one where infiltration/ intelligence gathering is more important. Hell they could kill two birds with one stone and have a movie with both her and Hawkeye.
And you have MANY typos.rhizhim said:
And while an arrow the cuts into your heart may not kill you instantly, you are going to last long are you? Bleeding out of the floor with an arrow stuck through your ribs.
I don't know anyone who really thought Hawkeye was lame. Most everyone I've talked to about it though he was pretty badass.
Just came back from seeing it (awesome indeed), and I don't read too much movie opinions (especially if I haven't seen them yet), so I haven't seen Hawkeye declared lame. And I personally didn't think he was at all. I could only find one thing that wasn't 'in line' with what I would expect from him, and
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that was that he wouldn't realize he had run out of arrows. I'd imagine him to always know exactly how many he'd have
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Why not? It's not real and if movies were truly constrained by realism as opposed to hollywoods version of realistic, they would be boring.Dieter Meyer said:Really? Thats what I found the most lame about Hawkeye and Black Widow (disclaimer: I have not read the comics). The fact they are just "super good with X". I find it unrealistic. All the others have some kind of cool, kind of plausible excuse as to why they are superheroes, while these are just "uhhm... I'm just really good lol". I mean, c'mon... no one can get that good without some sort of mumbo jumbo being done to themWolfThomas said:
In real life a normal human hero wouldn't win a fist fight against three people who how to fight for example.
By this logic 90% of action movies involving normal human heroes are bad.
Hawkeye IS a baddass, however being cool alone shouldn't qualify you for being on a team of elite fighters.
Sure having them in the team is technically a net positive for the team, but under that logic why not include literally everyone we can find to join the Avengers. The more the merrier right?
Sure having them in the team is technically a net positive for the team, but under that logic why not include literally everyone we can find to join the Avengers. The more the merrier right?
I like Hawkeye. I just wish they gave him slightly more to do. You see flashes of brillance but I felt if he had a more prominent role he would have been really really fun. But this is nick picking as a movie with such a large ensemble had to shave off something somewhere.
Not to mention that he had the best lines in his cameo in Thor.
"You better call it Coulson, I'm starting to root for this guy."
"Do you want me to take him down or would you rather send in more guys for him to beat up?"
"You better call it Coulson, I'm starting to root for this guy."
"Do you want me to take him down or would you rather send in more guys for him to beat up?"
Has no one any respect for the common man that built himself up from the ground with a groundbreaking ability for accuracy? I read through many of these reviews and all I view is that Hawkeye is "Lame" or "Pathetic", as another has attributed, Batman does not have any super powers and can keep up with the Justice League.
Let me list a few other heroes that can keep up with the "Super soldier Captain America"
The Falcon: No powers, just an enhanced suit that allows for him to fly
Black Panther: No powers, just peak human condition
The Punisher: Can Guns be a power? oh yea, since Money is a power for Batman.
Iron Man: If you shoot him, he dies, he has no powers
Dick Grayson: Batman's sidekick for a while....
http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/harleyquinnhawkgirl/top-22-superheroes-with-no-super-powers/75-13888/
There's the link.
But through the movie, he accounted for as many if not more fatalities amongst the enemy forces then "Captain America".
Hell, after the walking flag died, they offered the shield to Hawkeye. But, wait, he doesn't have powers.... He's lame.
If you say Hawkeye is Lame or pathetic, then throw away your Batman-themed sheets, and grow up.
Let me list a few other heroes that can keep up with the "Super soldier Captain America"
The Falcon: No powers, just an enhanced suit that allows for him to fly
Black Panther: No powers, just peak human condition
The Punisher: Can Guns be a power? oh yea, since Money is a power for Batman.
Iron Man: If you shoot him, he dies, he has no powers
Dick Grayson: Batman's sidekick for a while....
http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/harleyquinnhawkgirl/top-22-superheroes-with-no-super-powers/75-13888/
There's the link.
But through the movie, he accounted for as many if not more fatalities amongst the enemy forces then "Captain America".
Hell, after the walking flag died, they offered the shield to Hawkeye. But, wait, he doesn't have powers.... He's lame.
If you say Hawkeye is Lame or pathetic, then throw away your Batman-themed sheets, and grow up.