The Avengers and Hawkeye [Mass Opinion Centered]

[DrgoFx]

Alright...I need to get this out. Like many people, I saw the Avengers movie and like many people I thought it was awesome. My main problem right now is the community reaction to the characters. Yes, Ironman, Captain America, The Hulk and Thor are all the main focal points, Hawkeye and Black Widow being the two side projects that wandered in to complete the original team, but really. Black Widow has nothing but "Lolboobs" everywhere I go and Hawkeye is called lame for using a bow.

Let's get this straight. Hawkeye, a secret agent who has dead-accurate aim and could pinpoint an arrow to pierce through your clothing, skin, ribs and heart at the perfect angel to kill you instantly, is lame? What kind of thinking is that? Did we watch the same movie? The guy, with ONE FUCKING ARROW makes an explosion so large in the Shield aircraft's turbine that the whole thing was at risk to plummet. Not to mention, did you see him miss a shot during that last battle? The guy is smart as all fuck, too. He knew Loki would catch his arrow, so he shoots and explosive arrow to him and blows it in his face. Really, the mere thought of stating this guy is lame baffles. Even in Comparison to the other Avengers.

 

[WolfThomas]

I hate when people point out that Black Widow, Hawkeye and Captain America to a lesser extent are underpowered. It's not like it's a choice between Hawkeye or Thor, it's both on the team, one doing subtle stuff, they other being the big guy. You get both.

Hawkeye has always been cool. What I found interesting is they didn't even try to use some of the Ultimates stuff (enhanced vision from a supersoldier program) as an excuse for his badassery, rather the regular "He's just super good with a bow".

 

[DrgoFx]

Having not seen the movie yet (though I probably will this weekend), I would say that you're right when basing you opinions on not only the movie (that I haven't seen yet) and other sources (comic books). I would like to say though, I don't think that casting Jeremy Renner was exactly the right move for Hawkeye. My initial reaction (again, having not seen the movie) is that he doesn't fit the character. He's a great actor for sure but I'm not sure if he was a great choice for the part. I'll have to see that when I see it.

I personally didn't mind him as Hawkeye. He's not Robert Downey Jr. for Ironman, but he's not bad at it for sure. The movie does a fine job at making him just as bad-ass and threatening as the other avengers, but somehow people still laugh at him just because he uses a bow. If I call, Hawkeye's initial reasoning for a boy and arrow as opposed to a gun has something to do with the bow being more silent or leaving more range for him personally. Plus, I'm sure arrows are more easily modified than bullets.

 

[Supertegwyn]

Having not seen the movie yet (though I probably will this weekend), I would say that you're right when basing you opinions on not only the movie (that I haven't seen yet) and other sources (comic books). I would like to say though, I don't think that casting Jeremy Renner was exactly the right move for Hawkeye. My initial reaction (again, having not seen the movie) is that he doesn't fit the character. He's a great actor for sure but I'm not sure if he was a great choice for the part. I'll have to see that when I see it.

Jeremy Renner is pretty damn awesome as Hawkeye.

I like him in the role.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

I wasnt so sure about Hawkeye going into the movie, but I warmed up to all the Avengers by the end. Although the "powerhouses" Thor, Hulk and Iron Man really did steal the show. Captain America, Hawkeye and Black Widow had some really good moments but at times they were a little overshadowed by the other three

 

[Dryk]

He seemed the most in control the whole time, and he had one of the coolest gadgets. I thought he was great, if maybe a little bit underutilised in the beginning.

 

[TheCaptain]

I he didn't really have much of a chance to shine, since

Spoiler

he spent a good part of the movie under Loki's control

. The most awesome moves he does get to show off are during the final battle, and in that he's hopelessly outdone by the superpowered Avengers. Also, one of the great strengths of the movie is the fact that it doesn't take itself too serious, and the guy doesn't have one funny scene. When I went to see it, people actually applauded twice for the Hulk doing what he does best, and I guarantee you, everyone who's seen the movie knows which scenes I'm talking about...

Also, next to the other Badass Normals like Coulson, Fury and Black Widow I found him to be a rather pale figure.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, IMHO, the whole thing was very silly. It's not a matter of being underpowered, it's that being really good with a bow is a pretty stupid power. Having a suit of flying powered armour, ok, that's supposed to be cool. Shooting stuff with a bow isn't, really.

Still, not as embarassing as the Green Arrow.

 

[bobmus]

I found him the most bad-ass of them all. He's just a bloke who's dead good with a bow, and he holds his own pretty damn well in a team of super-powered people and people with fancy armour. He does a hell of a lot more than Black Widow is given a chance to do, and I don't get how anyone could see that movie and not want his prequel movie green-lighted?!

 

[Captain Pirate]

Jeremy Renner is pretty damn awesome as Hawkeye.

I like him in the role.

I agree, Jeremy Renner radiated badass throughout the whole movie,

OT: He wasn't just a piece of filler in my opinion; his vision and accuracy were as important as any other piece. He was balanced very well, for a guy who literally just has a bow and arrow.

I thought the same about Black Widow too, since she doesn't even have good accuracy skills I thought she would be an incredibly poor part of the team, but I never felt that.
Hats off to Joss Whedon for team-balancing skills.

Also, that bit where..
<spoiler=SPOILERS. Well, not plot details, but it's so badass you REALLY should keep it a surprise> ..He shoots down one of those attack platform things without even looking.
Your move, Legolas.[/spoiler]

 

[natster43]

Personally I thought Hawkeye was awesome. Sure he wasn't Hulk or Thor who did a lot of damage, but he kicked a lot of ass with just a bow.

 

[MrCherry]

From what I have seen, people who have a larger understanding of the universe and a much more open approach tend to like Hawkeye. People who go there for the "Cool" or "Shiny" etc tend to dislike him.

I personally found him amazing, as i did with all of the avengers in the film.

Just my two pennys.

 

[Marik2]

Alright...I need to get this out. Like many people, I saw the Avengers movie and like many people I thought it was awesome. My main problem right now is the community reaction to the characters. Yes, Ironman, Captain America, The Hulk and Thor are all the main focal points, Hawkeye and Black Widow being the two side projects that wandered in to complete the original team, but really. Black Widow has nothing but "Lolboobs" everywhere I go and Hawkeye is called lame for using a bow.

Let's get this straight. Hawkeye, a secret agent who has dead-accurate aim and could pinpoint an arrow to pierce through your clothing, skin, ribs and heart at the perfect angel to kill you instantly, is lame? What kind of thinking is that? Did we watch the same movie? The guy, with ONE FUCKING ARROW makes an explosion so large in the Shield aircraft's turbine that the whole thing was at risk to plummet. Not to mention, did you see him miss a shot during that last battle? The guy is smart as all fuck, too. He knew Loki would catch his arrow, so he shoots and explosive arrow to him and blows it in his face. Really, the mere thought of stating this guy is lame baffles. Even in Comparison to the other Avengers.

Really? People thought that Hawkeye was lame?

Everyone I talked to had great things to say about him; that it was badass that he doesn't need a gun.

 

[Launcelot111]

Having not seen the movie yet (though I probably will this weekend), I would say that you're right when basing you opinions on not only the movie (that I haven't seen yet) and other sources (comic books). I would like to say though, I don't think that casting Jeremy Renner was exactly the right move for Hawkeye. My initial reaction (again, having not seen the movie) is that he doesn't fit the character. He's a great actor for sure but I'm not sure if he was a great choice for the part. I'll have to see that when I see it.

Renner doesn't really play Hawkeye at all like comic book hawkeye. He's mostly generic super-capable badass. That said, Renner fills that role very well, and in general, I feel that that interpretation fits the movie better than a purple-clad guy challenging authority at every turn would. Someone coming in with no knowledge of the character would appreciate him just fine

 

[Dastardly]

Alright...I need to get this out. Like many people, I saw the Avengers movie and like many people I thought it was awesome. My main problem right now is the community reaction to the characters. Yes, Ironman, Captain America, The Hulk and Thor are all the main focal points, Hawkeye and Black Widow being the two side projects that wandered in to complete the original team, but really. Black Widow has nothing but "Lolboobs" everywhere I go and Hawkeye is called lame for using a bow.

I think Joss Whedon did a phenomenal job at giving both Black Widow and Hawkeye really strong moments. The man knows how to balance an ensemble of characters, and he made sure that they both played pivotal (but believable) roles in the story.

 

[krazykidd]

Eh, IMHO, the whole thing was very silly. It's not a matter of being underpowered, it's that being really good with a bow is a pretty stupid power. Having a suit of flying powered armour, ok, that's supposed to be cool. Shooting stuff with a bow isn't, really.

Still, not as embarassing as the Green Arrow.

Basically this .

Hawkeye is the captain america what robin is to Batman . He's basically the sidekick . Another comparaison is Ashley and chris from Resident Evil 4. Chris is Captain america , and Ashley is Hawkeye . He's just there to compliment Captain America .

Also black widow in said movie does NOTHING apart from the occasional Ass and Boob shot .

As for the actual movie , it wasn't bad but it wasn't good . I'm actually just gonna call it Hulk. He was the best part of the movie . The Avengers is the best hulk movie since the last hulk mOvie .

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, IMHO, the whole thing was very silly. It's not a matter of being underpowered, it's that being really good with a bow is a pretty stupid power. Having a suit of flying powered armour, ok, that's supposed to be cool. Shooting stuff with a bow isn't, really.

Still, not as embarassing as the Green Arrow.

Basically this .

Hawkeye is the captain america what robin is to Batman . He's basically the sidekick . Another comparaison is Ashley and chris from Resident Evil 4. Chris is Captain america , and Ashley is Hawkeye . He's just there to compliment Captain America .

Also black widow in said movie does NOTHING apart from the occasional Ass and Boob shot .

As for the actual movie , it wasn't bad but it wasn't good . I'm actually just gonna call it Hulk. He was the best part of the movie . The Avengers is the best hulk movie since the last hulk mOvie .

Heh, I heard that too "Well, it wasn't as bad as the Hulk movies".

I liked Fury, both as a character, and because he wasn't a whiny kid like the rest of them.

Mind you, Black Widow as well, she pretends to be a whiny kid to trick Loki, only she wasn't, which was a decent scene. Apart from that, yeah, she's there to look good in a tight outfit. Apparently Joss Whedon didn't know how to have more than one female hero in, or give her anything really interesting to do.

On the other hand, given what he had the non-Fury characters doing, not doing anything might be a step up.

 

[remnant_phoenix]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I've always been a Hawkeye fan. He was my favorite character to play as in the old "Captain America and the Avengers" beat-em-up and I've always liked the characters who excel because of gadgets/finely-tuned skills/intellect, rather than just superpowers.

I mean, this is what Batman does, and when discussing the Justice League, no one calls Batman "a lame wanna-be superhero who is just a regular guy with gadgets and superbly-trained skills who pales in comparison to powerhouses like Superman and the Green Lantern."

The only concrete difference is that Batman has a widespread, devoted fan-base while Hawkeye is a much more obscure character, therefore Hawkeye is easier to dismiss.