The Military and YOU!!!

[jasoncyrus]

Untill you realize that a single missile can kill every single militant in a building with one shot without killing a bunch of civilians with the -same- result, and in a much cheaper fashion than thirty bombs clustered together?

Until you realise that militants dont hide in one building...they are spread over an entire COUNTRY...

Scaremongering works a lot better. In hostage situations if say the bank manager refuses to give the vault code and the hostage takers beat the crap out of another hostage instead. Then the other unharmed hostages will start showing signs of aggression towards the manager for not simply co-operating with them.

Pfftt the geneva Convention is for scared idiots who don't want to have to mass produce body bags.

War is not meant to be kind to people, war is meant for KILLING people for EXTERMINATING tribes, races and other countries. It's only in the last century or so that we've started feeling guilty over it. Grow some stones and realise it's better to kill a few thousand civilians as incentive than to waste time trying to be surgical about it. Soemtimes a broadsword really is a better tool than a scalpel.

Okay, so you condoned Nazi Germany as a place to be emulated in warfare, so you condone fascism.
You've also condoned terrorism, so while I can't make you take that back, I'd at least like to make sure you stay consistent.You have basically lost the right to whine about terrorism being bad, and have stated that civilians are justified targets.

You basically agree with the 9/11 hijackers and Hitler, good to know.

I was wondering when an idiot like you would misread my posts.

I never said I condoned it. I said it was flawed. LEARN-TO-FUCKING-READ.

I never once condoned Terrorism, I condoned the current us occupation of iraq, they simply havn't started executing civilians yet. (at least not that we know of)

Also, you're an idiot for actually thinking 9/11 was terrorists. Theres way too many inconsistencies for it to be terrorists.

Prime Example: They said 2 planes VAPORISED on impact. They would be the first two planes in HISTORY to do so. It's physically IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen.

Damn right civilians are justified targets. When you declare war on a COUNTRY it means you have classified everyone and everything in it as an enemy. Dumbass.

 

[Rhayn]

Conscription in Finland. Every 18 year-old man has to go through at least half a year of military service. Supposedly this is due to our proximity to Russia, but as of late the government has started to understand we've got nothing of importance to Russia, so invasion is highly unlikely. In a few years conscription will likely be dropped in favor of voluntary service.

That of course means that I, being 18 years old, am going to serve my time next summer. Hoping to get into the navy.

 

[Kaboose the Moose]

In britain too, I don't have a high opinion of the military much since they refuse to carpet bomb their enemies into oblivion anymore. Pussies.

Carpet bombing is only logical if the enemy is grouped together. They tend to be doing less of that as of late. I think they might have worked out the flaw in that approach. Also annoyingly, enemy buildings tend to be built less close together now. Damn military engineers are ruining everyone's fun!.

Besides it's a waste of ammunition to carpet bomb the enemy and anyone saying otherwise is just wanting a light show.

Who said anything about military buildings? Carpet bombing is for use on civilians too dumb to realise they're on the wrong side. Plus if you are in danger of being slaughtered mercilessly, people will throw those responsible to the dogs so to speak.

I think we have read two very different copies of the Geneva Convention!.

If by chance you meant enemy soldiers, then as I said, they are not very stupid. At least, not to be out in the open and bunched up to be atomized by bombs.

Also, building and structures are common carpet bombing targets. Just so you know.

Pfftt the geneva Convention is for scared idiots who don't want to have to mass produce body bags.

War is not meant to be kind to people, war is meant for KILLING people for EXTERMINATING tribes, races and other countries. It's only in the last century or so that we've started feeling guilty over it. Grow some stones and realise it's better to kill a few thousand civilians as incentive than to waste time trying to be surgical about it. Soemtimes a broadsword really is a better tool than a scalpel.

As a member of the reserve forces, I can tell you it's not about feeling guilty. It's about the new tactic the enemy emploies. This isn't WWII where armies fight en mass on a wide open battlefield. Guerrilla tactics and human shields is where the new battlefront lies.

The age of unguided gravity bombs have come to an end. This isn't about growing stones and mass murdering. This isn't about cutting your head to cure a headache. The new warfront involves precision and tactics. It's about removing a tumor before it spreads.

When we now have weapons that can accurately kill a lot evil people why resort to a carpet bombing which kills everyone..in a haphazard way?.

 

[Jedoro]

Eh, the US makes sure it CAN draft people, but they don't, and probably won't unless another world war breaks out, so I'm not worried.

 

[Nimbus]

Conscription? No, we're a free country.

 

[jasoncyrus]

In britain too, I don't have a high opinion of the military much since they refuse to carpet bomb their enemies into oblivion anymore. Pussies.

Carpet bombing is only logical if the enemy is grouped together. They tend to be doing less of that as of late. I think they might have worked out the flaw in that approach. Also annoyingly, enemy buildings tend to be built less close together now. Damn military engineers are ruining everyone's fun!.

Besides it's a waste of ammunition to carpet bomb the enemy and anyone saying otherwise is just wanting a light show.

Who said anything about military buildings? Carpet bombing is for use on civilians too dumb to realise they're on the wrong side. Plus if you are in danger of being slaughtered mercilessly, people will throw those responsible to the dogs so to speak.

I think we have read two very different copies of the Geneva Convention!.

If by chance you meant enemy soldiers, then as I said, they are not very stupid. At least, not to be out in the open and bunched up to be atomized by bombs.

Also, building and structures are common carpet bombing targets. Just so you know.

Pfftt the geneva Convention is for scared idiots who don't want to have to mass produce body bags.

War is not meant to be kind to people, war is meant for KILLING people for EXTERMINATING tribes, races and other countries. It's only in the last century or so that we've started feeling guilty over it. Grow some stones and realise it's better to kill a few thousand civilians as incentive than to waste time trying to be surgical about it. Soemtimes a broadsword really is a better tool than a scalpel.

As a member of the reserve forces, I can tell you it's not about feeling guilty. It's about the new tactic the enemy emploies. This isn't WWII where armies fight en mass on a wide open battlefield. Guerrilla tactics and human shields is where the new battlefront lies.

The age of unguided gravity bombs have come to an end. This isn't about growing stones and mass murdering. This isn't about cutting your head to cure a headache. The new warfront involves precision and tactics. It's about removing a tumor before it spreads.

When we now have weapons that can accurately kill a lot evil people why resort to a carpet bombing which kills everyone..in a haphazard way?.

Finally someone whos willing to debate and point out things that matter, Thank you sir, it is *much* appreciated.

As I said earlier carpet bombing was mainly for scaremongering to encite the population to betray their military forces or whatever and help the occupiers in weeding them out.

But to continue the tumor analogue. It's not a single cancerous area, its more like single cell cancer or micro tumors. Hard to spot and extremely difficult and time consuming to remove with precision.

 

[SaunaKalja]

Finland has the same kind conscription/draft, or whatever you call it. However, it's pretty easy for people to wuss out of it. Minimum time for the military training is six months. Nine months for some special training and a year for leader training.

Personally, I didn't mind spending a year in the army. It was definitely the most interesting year in my whole life so far, it was good exercise, I got leadership and first-aid training, made a lot of good friends AND I got to do all sorts of awesome stuff. The assault rifle was exciting at first, but quickly became dull. During the advanced training I got to throw a live handgrenade, fire a RPG-launcher, a 7.62 MG full auto and a 12.7mm Anti-Air MG w/ exploding rounds. But my main thing was to spot targets for artillery and mortar fire. It was really nasty imagining someone to be on the 'receiving end' of a barrage.

And even though I got military training, it's not like I'm going to have to kill anyone or go to war, likely ever. Unless our dear neighbours get any great ideas.

 

[Venatio]

America's forces are a full volunteer set-up, we havent had a draft since Vietnam. We have to work out some kinks though, such as obliterating that rule not allowing gays to join the military (we lost 12,000 soldiers that way).

 

[Lord Monocle Von Banworthy]

I'd like to see a similar system in Australia. I reckon it'd sort out a fair few culture problems. But i think they should give the choice of paid military service or unpaid work with emergency services such as the ambulance, fire brigade or SES (State Emergency Service). That way everyone's doing something for the community.

And how do people doing this period of unpaid service survive? I don't want the fire brigade looting my silverware drawer as they put the fire out because they're unpaid, nor do I want them to be amateur part-timers who don't have the skills and experience for the job.

 

[jasoncyrus]

America's forces are a full volunteer set-up, we havent had a draft since Vietnam. We have to work out some kinks though, such as obliterating that rule not allowing gays to join the military (we lost 12,000 soldiers that way).

Thats what happens when you are scared of "bro-mance"

 

[Ironic]

In britain too, I don't have a high opinion of the military much since they refuse to carpet bomb their enemies into oblivion anymore. Pussies.

Carpet bombing is only logical if the enemy is grouped together. They tend to be doing less of that as of late. I think they might have worked out the flaw in that approach. Also annoyingly, enemy buildings tend to be built less close together now. Damn military engineers are ruining everyone's fun!.

Besides it's a waste of ammunition to carpet bomb the enemy and anyone saying otherwise is just wanting a light show.

Who said anything about military buildings? Carpet bombing is for use on civilians too dumb to realise they're on the wrong side. Plus if you are in danger of being slaughtered mercilessly, people will throw those responsible to the dogs so to speak.

I think we have read two very different copies of the Geneva Convention!.

If by chance you meant enemy soldiers, then as I said, they are not very stupid. At least, not to be out in the open and bunched up to be atomized by bombs.

Also, building and structures are common carpet bombing targets. Just so you know. The point is, carpet bombing isn't what it used to be.

Also, wars are fought more on geurilla terms now anyway due to weapons advances.

Weapons get longer ranged and higher explosive - - - -> enemy blends in with civilians - - - - ->send in infantry to discern between them - - - -> enemy uses big guns near civilians - - - ->infantry call for big, long range explosive support - - -> enemy gets 'sploded, and thinks it best to get back to blending in with civilians - - - >cycle repeats.

 

[annoyinglizardvoice]

No conscription in UK.
Just as well, as there's no country in the world worthy of me risking my life to defend it, and putting me in a bad mood then giving me a gun doesn't sound that smart.

 

[Hippobatman]

So yesterday i was in a sort of meeting with military personnel from my country where you get told about the military and get your sight, hearing, intelligence etc tested. This is due to the fact that in Norway when you become 18 you may be called into service for the military. Now this session i was at yesterday is basically just the start and if i get a letter from the military saying ill be called in ill be going to the army for about a year.

So while i was thinking of my own possible entrance into the army i started to wonder if other countries got a similar system setup or if its just us ex-vikings up here.

So please tell me where you are from and your experiences with tha army ^^.

Hiya, fellow ex-viking!

I just returned from the same thing 15 minutes ago. I was in the beautiful city of Trondheim.

Pray tell which wishes you made for your military service?

I chose the dog service squad, I have two dogs myself, so I'd very much like to work with some. My second and third choice were regular infantry/cavalery and artillery respectively.

I might be be stationed at the Russian border, though, considering the dog squad, which I'd rather not.

[small]Disclaimer: I've no intentions of derailing your thread, I'm just curious.[/small]

 

[Spitfire175]

Finland still has conscription. An outdated system, in a way. I was in the army for two years.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Well in Australia it's purely a choice thing. I have no intention of ever joining the military and no one can ever make me.

Agreed.

Terrorist could walk into my living room and I wouldn't do shit. I'm lazy that way.

Really? If Australia is like any other government they'll probably bomb your whole neighborhood just, turn around and say "We couldn't help that he was hiding amongst civilians".

You really should police your own back yard man.

Nah, he'd just go next door and annoy them. Either way were going to be bombed, might as well learn a bit more about their culture while they're here.

 

[Zacharine]

Fairly, though not exactly similar. Since I'm from Finland, you propably already know this. Every male serves. Period. Once you're 18, we have the draft where we are told of our options and we give our preferences on when, where and what specialization we'd like to serve in. They either listen or they don't, depending on available openings. The service must be finished with by the time you're 27 (I think). Shortest course is basic gunnery man/infantry soldier etc. with 6 months of service. Specializations, such as medics, military police last 9 months. And leadership training for NCO squad leaders and NCO second lieutenants lasts for 12 months. Non-weaponized service (ie. never touch a rifle) is 9 months minimum regardless of service branch, but most go for truck drivers or medics and such that lasts that long anyways.

Then for those pussies who wish to weasel themselves out of this draft, there is the civilian service of 13 months.

Women can volunteer (and some do), but they are not drafted like us men.

I myself served for 12 months, I'm an NCO medic sergeant. And while those 12 months contained a lot of downsides, it was fun as well. And most certainly eye-opening and an experience I wouldn't trade away for anything. I learned a lot in there, not just what I was specifically taught, but also of other people, myself, my limits (both physical and mental) and how to correlate with other people of totally different backgrounds.

And no danger of actual combat (unless you volunteer for internation peacekeeping ops) as long as our neighbours don't come crossing our borders while armed.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Well in Australia it's purely a choice thing. I have no intention of ever joining the military and no one can ever make me.

Agreed.

Terrorist could walk into my living room and I wouldn't do shit. I'm lazy that way.

Really? If Australia is like any other government they'll probably bomb your whole neighborhood just, turn around and say "We couldn't help that he was hiding amongst civilians".

You really should police your own back yard man.

Nah, he'd just go next door and annoy them. Either way were going to be bombed, might as well learn a bit more about their culture while they're here.

For some reason I read that as "Either way we are going to get bombed(drunk)"

Well I'm not drunk but were still getting bombed so, you know, whatever.

 

[KaiRai]

They have the mandatory military in Switzerland, Turkey and Greece. Those are the only one's that spring to mind.

My friend moved to Britain from Greece when he was 6 and narrowly avoided his mandatory service in Greece by saying that he had lived in Britain for the majority of his life. He's now in RAF force protection

Yeah, here in Britain, it's purely choice, but a lot of people decide to go in anyway due to this country's shitty economic system.