The new "Home" of the internet

[Phoenix Arrow]

Anything that pulls in the mainsteam and adults is great for the gaming business and the gaming culture. I find people that rag on mainsteam joining are elitists that are afraid of freindly competition in there environment.

Basicly I think Home is revolutionary... when I hear it's boring in Beta tests its the equivalant to a Forum being boring when theres noone in it... or the phone being boring when noones on the other line (elevator music), it's the culmination of all the things we love about the internet but easy... zhit, if I could buy a safe/free-to use teleporter instead of a Car for cheaper... I'de be pretty ignorant not to.

Sony has admittedly always had my love.... when I opened my mind to the idea behind Home they received my admiration and respect.

OK, fine I'll take this on at another level.
You say that this is going to make the masses buy the console... how exactly? I can't imagine anyone going "wow, you can make a little person and walk around and talk to people, I must rush out and spend £350 on it."
You say it's revolutionary, what about Second Life? what about Habbo Hotel? Both of these are free and based on the same concept. And Second Life allows you to do a hell of a lot more than Home will do.
You say that a PS3 is a cheaper alternative to anything else. A new PS3 costs £350, a new 360 costs £130, a new Wii costs £180. That's just on a gaming sort of level though. You can get a solid PC for about £300, and that's with dual core and all the trimmings. Plus, you have the ability to run millions of applications the PS3 can't, as well as play more games than a PS3.
Finally, you say Sony has always had your love. That means that I could put out the most well thought out argument and it wouldn't change your opinion. So I've just wasted 5 minutes of my life but there you go.

I'll say this again. I'm NOT anti-Sony in any way. I just think it's idiotic to say that a PS3 is more useful than a PC.

 

[WTEricson]

Not more... just as-much-as, since the brain can only handle so much info at once before overloading (I have 5 web pages and 20 vids running at max on highspeed) and anything more is ultimately a waste. Its just a great way to get the content your brain can register faster than is needed. Ultimately what makes the internet fun is the people and sharing of intelligent ideas and content. The fact the PS3 will sell for cheaper every year for the EXACT things 100% of people we want from home entertainment system at a extrordinarily high 97% dependability rate just shows how far ahead in thinking the company really is... yes they will make a killing off of this selling us the content from the Home central hub... but IMO they deserve to.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Look, PS3 isn't a bargain okay? Your console lost. Just sell the hunk of junk and accept it. I don't want a home entertainment system I want a GAME system.

 

[Jumplion]

Anything that pulls in the mainsteam and adults is great for the gaming business and the gaming culture. I find people that rag on mainsteam joining are elitists that are afraid of freindly competition in there environment.

Basicly I think Home is revolutionary... when I hear it's boring in Beta tests its the equivalant to a Forum being boring when theres noone in it... or the phone being boring when noones on the other line (elevator music), it's the culmination of all the things we love about the internet but easy... zhit, if I could buy a safe/free-to use teleporter instead of a Car for cheaper... I'de be pretty ignorant not to.

Sony has admittedly always had my love.... when I opened my mind to the idea behind Home they received my admiration and respect.

OK, fine I'll take this on at another level.
You say that this is going to make the masses buy the console... how exactly? I can't imagine anyone going "wow, you can make a little person and walk around and talk to people, I must rush out and spend £350 on it."
You say it's revolutionary, what about Second Life? what about Habbo Hotel? Both of these are free and based on the same concept. And Second Life allows you to do a hell of a lot more than Home will do.
You say that a PS3 is a cheaper alternative to anything else. A new PS3 costs £350, a new 360 costs £130, a new Wii costs £180. That's just on a gaming sort of level though. You can get a solid PC for about £300, and that's with dual core and all the trimmings. Plus, you have the ability to run millions of applications the PS3 can't, as well as play more games than a PS3.
Finally, you say Sony has always had your love. That means that I could put out the most well thought out argument and it wouldn't change your opinion. So I've just wasted 5 minutes of my life but there you go.

I'll say this again. I'm NOT anti-Sony in any way. I just think it's idiotic to say that a PS3 is more useful than a PC.

As I've said before, Home is supposed to be a free application (I'm not entierly 100% sure about it but I'm fairly certain)

I don't think Home will cause the mass to buy a PS3, I just think it's a cool addon and I will definately use it from time to time (plus I'd have a sweet ass Apartment )

Home is in a sense "revolutionary"/"evolutionary". I'd prefer to think of it as evolutionary because it's a big step for consoles in the social aspect of gaming. Second Life and that Hotel thing are basically MMOs without the combat but more advertising, similarly Home is like Second Life only on consoles which is a huge leap for consoles.

I don't think there's much denying that Home is a good leap for consoles in terms of Socializing in gaming, despite that it is similar to Secon life on PC.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

It's a neat app. Nothing more.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

Not more... just as-much-as, since the brain can only handle so much info at once before overloading (I have 5 web pages and 20 vids running at max on highspeed) and anything more is ultimately a waste. Its just a great way to get the content your brain can register faster than is needed. Ultimately what makes the internet fun is the people and sharing of intelligent ideas and content. The fact the PS3 will sell for cheaper every year for the EXACT things 100% of people we want from home entertainment system at a extrordinarily high 97% dependability rate just shows how far ahead in thinking the company really is... yes they will make a killing off of this selling us the content from the Home central hub... but IMO they deserve to.

You're not listening to what I'm saying. You just say the same thing each time.
GRRR.

 

[Jumplion]

Look, PS3 isn't a bargain okay? Your console lost. Just sell the hunk of junk and accept it. I don't want a home entertainment system I want a GAME system.

Whoa, whoa. Ps3's far from lost, and it's a bargain compared to Blu-ray players upwards up to $1000 with few if any extra features.

If you want a Gaming system, get the Wii and even that was rumoured to have a DVD addon at one point.

Just wait, the wars are far from over and no console is close to losing.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Look, PS3 isn't a bargain okay? Your console lost. Just sell the hunk of junk and accept it. I don't want a home entertainment system I want a GAME system.

Whoa, whoa. Ps3's far from lost, and it's a bargain compared to Blu-ray players upwards up to $1000 with few if any extra features.

If you want a Gaming system, get the Wii and even that was rumoured to have a DVD addon at one point.

Just wait, the wars are far from over and no console is close to losing.

In terms of the console war, they've lost. It's down to 360 and Wii now. The PS3 in general is too expensive and bloated and all I want is a damn system to play games. And who CARES about Blu-Ray? It's not like it'll be REQUIRED for the next two or three years- you realize how long it took for VHS to die out? Producers aren't stupid, movies and other multimedia will come out for DVD for a long time because they want broad coverage, so lots and lots of people will buy their crap.

And all of PS3's games are overhyped, underperform, or aren't even out yet. 360 has the same lead on the ps3 that the PS2 had on the Xbox back in the day- a less powerful machine with a LARGER and more varied library. The difference this time is Nintendo is actually a strong contender but if they keep resting on the laurels of their gimmick, they could be in trouble.

 

[WTEricson]

I couldn't resist to pick that one apart with LOGIC

Look, PS3 isn't a bargain okay? : Not sure if that was intended as a question or an opinion.... my opinion and many others is it is, they keep making and selling them at a lose because they have a greater (and very valid) intention that you would see if you looked hard enough.

Your console lost. : Yes, intelligent thinking usually loses at first (earth is flat), it just takes time for some people to understand (it really is round BTW)

Just sell the hunk of junk and accept it. : Ah... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo.... thanks for the advise though.

I dont want a home entertainment system : Well.... better sell your TV, Ipod, PC, phone, ect ect.

I want a GAME system : Last time I checked it played games... lemee check again... yep.. still plays games 2yrs after I bought it.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

I couldn't resist to pick that one apart with LOGIC

Look, PS3 isn't a bargain okay? : Not sure if that was intended as a question or an opinion.... my opinion and many others is it is, they keep making and selling them at a lose because they have a greater (and very valid) intention that you would see if you looked hard enough.

Your console lost. : Yes, intelligent thinking usually loses at first (earth is flat), it just takes time for some people to understand (it really is round BTW)

Just sell the hunk of junk and accept it. : Ah... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo.... thanks for the advise though.

I dont want a home entertainment system : Well.... better sell your TV, Ipod, PC, phone, ect ect.

I want a GAME system : Last time I checked it played games... lemee check again... yep.. still plays games 2yrs after I bought it.

Fanboy please. Yeah, i'm done here. I figured as soon as I attacked the PS3 and the design decisions therein you'de start defending it like it's carrying your firstborn. And... there was no logic in your statement.

There was none in mine either, but I didn't claim to have it to begin with.

 

[WTEricson]

Basicly all the arguements just validate my points, can't wait for Home.. maybe there Ican find an intelligent sharing of ideas without typing everything....

Yes I'm a "fanboy" more of a "fanman" though IMO.

I'm a fanboy of fire, the wheel, and books (those are evil BTW). When we resort to name calling and violence as a last ditch effort because our brains don't have the information to form rational thought we only help to deteriorate society.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

I couldn't resist to pick that one apart with LOGIC

Look, PS3 isn't a bargain okay? : Not sure if that was intended as a question or an opinion.... my opinion and many others is it is, they keep making and selling them at a lose because they have a greater (and very valid) intention that you would see if you looked hard enough.

Your console lost. : Yes, intelligent thinking usually loses at first (earth is flat), it just takes time for some people to understand (it really is round BTW)

Just sell the hunk of junk and accept it. : Ah... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo.... thanks for the advise though.

I dont want a home entertainment system : Well.... better sell your TV, Ipod, PC, phone, ect ect.

I want a GAME system : Last time I checked it played games... lemee check again... yep.. still plays games 2yrs after I bought it.

While what the other guy was saying is ridiculously closed minded, your response wasn't any better. All of the current generation of consoles are very strong and it seems a bit odd to compare them when they each have their own perks. PS3 has blu-ray and therefore has the potential for some truely awesome games (hopefully they will be made some day), 360 has solid games and solid specs and is a good all rounder and the Wii is good for a laugh if you're into Nintendo, cooking or sudoku.

The PS3 is not a bargain when you can buy PCs, which can do more, for cheaper. Not saying it isn't good, it's just not a bargain.

Intelligent thinking? If you had any idea how much work goes into making a console, you wouldn't claim that one is more intelligent than another. Don't say how do I know, I do Electonics at college and can build similar things and a much more basic level obviously.

Next thing was immature from both of you.

Ha. Sell you're TV, iPod, PC and Phone. Do all these come as standard with the PS3 then or what? Also it's etc. as in et cetera, Latin for "and so on". Don't use it if you don't know that.

Yes it is a games system, but it's been made to complicated now. I'm of the opinion that a games console is for games and I'd prefer it to stay that way. What's the use in all this other crap when all's said and done?

EDIT: That last post was painfully hypocritical.

 

[WTEricson]

I'm not looking for a fight, I was just starting a post about what home is... it lead to me trying to open peoples minds to the future of the entertainment (art) industy. I was hoping to find free thinking minds. I haven't attacked anyone or anything (in reference to 360 and Wii), yes I sometimes try and throw my dry humor in to get my point cross (admittedly there isnt a TV in the PS3 or an Ipod), but my points are still valid.

I'm kinda wrong about the Ipod thing... theres one in there... I just wouldn't ever carry my PS3 and speakers to the pool to listen to it.

 

[Boober the Pig]

WTEricson is not a fanboy, he is a marketer. He was hired to go to forums, like this one, and sell his product, Home. That is why his post comes across as a press release. I feel bad for him because he has to work the forums on a Saturday so he is obviously a very low level employee and is in over his head here. Video game consoles probably are not his area of expertise so he is working from some scripted ideas.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

I'm not looking for a fight, I was just starting a post about what home is... it lead to me trying to open peoples minds to the future of the entertainment (art) industy. I was hoping to find free thinking minds. I haven't attacked anyone or anything (in reference to 360 and Wii), yes I sometimes try and throw my dry humor in to get my point cross (admittedly there isnt a TV in the PS3 or an Ipod), but my points are still valid.

Can't you see how it's frustrating? You've come on saying you wanted to open peoples minds to this new application, but you've come in with a more closed-mind than anyone else. Plus you did attack the 360 with some very snide remarks which I did notice of but I have no allegiance so I don't care. Each time anyone questioned Home you've basically just said they're wrong and not really explained why.

WTEricson is not a fanboy, he is a marketer. He was hired to go to forums, like this one, and sell his product, Home. That is why his post comes across as a press release. I feel bad for him because he has to work the forums on a Saturday so he is obviously a very low level employee and is in over his head here. Video game consoles probably are not his area of expertise so he is working from some scripted ideas.

That's why I've called him a shill, not a fanboy.

 

[WTEricson]

Seriously we are back to insults again?

I love you

 

[TsunamiWombat]

I will admit I am unfair to the PS3, no one wanted to support Sony more back in the day but I feel the PS3 was fundamentally flawed in concept from start to finish. I currently do not own a Next gen but will be purchasing a 360 because I feel it has a stronger library and more good titles.

I shall try to express my bias. Keep in mind this is my bias andnot necessarily someone elses.

1. The PS3 has too much "cutting edge" technoligy- it does numerous things I neither want nor need (I do not own a iPOD btw, or iAnything). Blue Ray and HD is all well and good, and the way of the future i'm sure, but it needs several more years before it is both viable for the mainstream and affordable. As it is now both technoligys are simply too new- the majority of people don't have or want them (I feel). I would point out how long it took to phase out the VHS even after the advent of DVD.

2. The PS3 has too small a library- admittedly many of the games it does have are very 'impressive' looking and recent releases have been high quality, the initial releases were all of lesser quality and the system itself has a programming language that is very complex and difficult to work with. For all it's processing power the PS3 is unintuitive and costly to develop for. Much like a muscle car, it is high performance but finnicky. This means the PS3 will have fewer titles in the future and if it is to be successful it is important a majority of these titles are triple A's, which I feel they will not be.

3. It's just way to expensive. I'm sorry. 600 USD? I can get a Xbox 360 Pro for half that. I don't want a home entertainment system- I got a DVD player and a PS2 if that DVD player should fail. I'm set. I get a game system because I want a game system, and I feel a game system should be a unitasker. All other additional aspects are sweeteners to me, not core design features.

4. Sony is selling it's PS3's at a loss because it can't sell them at a profit, and because it being Sony it can absorb the lost easily. Don't mistake it's products or actions as altruistic pioneering- like any other company including Microsoft and Nintendo, Sony wants to make MONEY. So it does the things that will make it money. Things like quality and innovation are secondary concerns, sought only because they lead to the primary- profit. The PS3 and "Home" is not a grand experiment to move social networking forward, it's a product they want to make money off of.

 

[Jumplion]

I'm sorry Tsunami, but the PS3 has not lost. Nor has it won. THe console wars are far from over, as anything can happen. I could care less if the PS3 "lost" the console wars just so long as I get the games I enjoy and expect from Sony. I would answer your 1-4 points but I'm sure both you and I don't want to get deeper into this stuff.

Pitty, what started as a Home discussion turns to a PS3 bashing fest. Should have figured, but that's what happens.

And do I have to remind you guys again, Home is free. You only pay for optional things like, say, a bigger house and new cloths. Hey, if it worked for Second Life it can work for Home.

 

[WTEricson]

Nice post Tsunami... I don't completely agree.. but with you being cool I refuse to nitpick a very very very ect ect ect... lol (poke at the other guy not you my friend).. post.