The new "Home" of the internet

[SinisterDeath]

1st up, ya I haven't used a PC for a year (typed all this on wireless KB), instead I use a PS3 on a $4000 LG.

I use my Logitech MX laser 5000 keyboard/mouse combo with both my pc and ps3... Though trying to get Blue-tooth to actually work 'good' with... well ANYTHING is a pain... And thats not even mentioning trying to use them on Mulitiple devices!
But yea, I use my mouse/keyboard to play UT3 on my ps3. <3

2nd, ya... you can pirate with PS3... but I never would because it will come back and bite us on the ass.

I tried the ps2 emulator before (I owned the game and all that jazz, wanted to try it out on the PC, cause lets face it, I spend more time on my pc then on my ps3...)
The ps2 emulators, run VERY slow, even on top end pcs.
And look how 'low end' a ps2 is? I can't even imagine how long it'll be until we get a ps3 emulator that actually operates on a pc... I just can't see any processor today that can even 'attempt' to emulate the Cell, let alone the RSX...

3rd, there is no Virus as of yet for the PSBrowser and Home (browser), doesn't meen there won't ever be... just 100% safe atm. And it seems in Sony's best interest to nip a virus app in the bud... which will kill the market of selling you a fix for your entertainment system.

There are no virus's for Linux, doesn't mean there won't ever be any.
There are no virus's for Firefox, doesn't mean there won't ever be any.
So, if your one of them firefox lovers, or linux guys who say 'get linux/firfox because its virus free! But use the same arguement that those of us who still use IE/XP do, against firefox/linux, tis a bit hypocritical.
Just sayin...

As for Home on the PS3, its closer to those '3d social networks' it isn't a game, it isn't a browser.
There is no 'porn' in home, so to speak. You can create your own home 'like the Sims', and you can put your 'porn' into your home if you want to. However you can only invite people into your home, it exists on your 'ps3', and not on the home servers. So this is sony's way of preventing various legal ramifications for allowing user generated content on there servers.
Within home, there is like a 'lobby area', that has an
Arcade (bunch of free games like pool, darts, and space invaders or soething as equally arcadish...)
A 'movie theater', which basically plays ads all day.
You can invite people to your 'home' to watch movies, view your pics ect. (I believe this allows you to use the PSN's movie distribution thing, in home to, so if you buy/rent a movie you could potentially 'share' it with your friends in your home. (see sony's not dumb!)
There are often even hints that sony may actually have a real 'movie theater' where you can watch real full length movies (free or pay, no one knows, its still a rumor), possibly before they hit theaters. (or after, dunno, but its still an awesome idea)

Theres also said stuff along the lines of the trophy system being apart of Home, meaning you can actually have trophies, in your home. something a bit more 'solid' then a 'number' that doesn't do anything or a 'level' that doesn't do anything.

 

[WTEricson]

Nice Sinister, I've heard they will do concerts and have developers and celebrities on too. Really the only thing I havent heard of that would be a good idea is a fake currency (what makes WoW users pic flowers for a month in the same place like hampsters), they could even have you beet a game and get X currency. The nice thing is unlike WoW when I get severly bored of it I can take my items/money with me into the hub or other games... really is a great idea IMO... not saying Sony won't fuck it up... but still an evalutionary idea either way.

 

[shatnershaman]

Joe notagamer knows how to put linux on the ps3? That alone kills this.

 

[WTEricson]

Joe notagamer knows how to put linux on the ps3? That alone kills this.

Ive learned from this that you have to have a question that gives people a way to love or hate something.... Linux is easy as hell to put on it BTW. But they can't sell it to you for 100 dollars then, Sony pretty much only payed them to do linux on it to kill the "it can't" BS. All it takes is loading it to the OS.

Anyway, was looking for other entertainment purposes they might have forgot about in making Home... just turned into a PC-Xbox-PS3-Wii slam from negative opinions.

What should I have put on the end for next time? Admittedly I've never got into the forum thing because my PC always frustrated me. But that also makes my point that not everyone wants to learn how to do all this zhit on PC just to get the advantages of PCs.

 

[shatnershaman]

But that also makes my point that not everyone wants to learn how to do all this zhit on PC just to get the advantages of PCs.

Its easier to do the regular stuff most people use like word processing/spreadsheets/media/browsing/all non gaming things on a PC.

 

[WTEricson]

Thats an opinion, I respect your opinion... and I agree you shouldn't buy a PS3 for work apps... but I don't know anyone that has ever used a PC for work other than Email and browsing. Media is same... if not better, on PS3... not like it adds an extra song or scene to a movie if you DL it to PC vs PS3.

 

[shatnershaman]

Thats an opinion, I respect your opinion... and I agree you shouldn't buy a PS3 for work apps... but I don't know anyone that has ever used a PC for work other than Email and browsing. Media is same... if not better, on PS3... not like it adds an extra song or scene to a movie if you DL it to PC vs PS3.

Don't know anyone that uses Word for work? Or is involved in Multimedia or engineering?

A PC can connect to the same TV, can edit said media and can play more formats.

 

[WTEricson]

Nope, I don't know anyone who uses those apps...

And yes a PC can connect to TV and do same apps.

My original point was even my 80yr old grandma can use a PS3 for all the media entertainment in Home that she wants, theres no way in hell she can on a PC...
I can, you can... but there are a zhitload of people that can't.

Almost like the fact I can put a avatar on my zhit on my PS3... alot of people can't on PC or PS3... theres so much like that in the internet where you have to learn frustrating zhit, Home just takes all that frustrating zhit and makes it user friendly, how that can be a bad thing I don't know.

 

[shatnershaman]

My original point was even my 80yr old grandma can use a PS3 for all the media entertainment in Home that she wants, theres no way in hell she can on a PC...
I can, you can... but there are a zhitload of people that can't.

Your Grandma can use those all those buttons/sticks but not a mouse? Mine just plays bookworm on her PC. If you want user friendly theres Mac. And the "whole zhitload of people" don't have a PS3 or PC they would use nothing/Wii.

 

[shadow skill]

I sincerely doubt that office productivity software is all that important to people who are not students. It's kind of like bringing up being able to run Visual Studio 2005 when we all know that is a bit of a niche program. I've actually found that the PS3 doesn't play all of my music/videos the way I want it to and ironically I have had more success with video playback on my 360 than my PS3. It's been a while since I tried Linux on the PS3, however when I did the lack of gpu acceleration made playback of any pretty much anything encoded in H264 suck ass when it was fullscreen.

I do think that both the 360 and PS3 (moreso) are heading in the right direction as far as a multimedia PC is concerned.

 

[shatnershaman]

I sincerely doubt that office productivity software is all that important to people who are not students.

Many use MS Office for work.

 

[Break]

All I said is it has the same functionality. Basicly a PC is the same

No.

but I don't know anyone that has ever used a PC for work other than Email and browsing.

...Yeah, this pretty much sums it up. This guy doesn't know anyone who actually uses a computer. Not even MS Word, for crying out loud. Of course he thinks the PS3 is similar to PCs in terms of functionality.

I don't care for Home. As has been said, it's just Second Life with more restrictions. Constant streaming HD video will be a ***** for people without infinite bandwidth. I don't see the point. It's just a gimmick to rope in people who don't know much about technology. "Look! You can make a little man and walk him around a room! It's like that virtual reality stuff you saw in all those bad sci-fi movies twenty years ago!"

 

[shadow skill]

I sincerely doubt that office productivity software is all that important to people who are not students.

Many use MS Office for work.

On their home computer or their office provided machine? Many people use Visual Studio for work as well, it hardly makes it a mission critical set of applications for the majority of people at home.

 

[WTEricson]

My original point was even my 80yr old grandma can use a PS3 for all the media entertainment in Home that she wants, theres no way in hell she can on a PC...
I can, you can... but there are a zhitload of people that can't.

Your Grandma can use those all those buttons/sticks but not a mouse? Mine just plays bookworm on her PC. If you want user friendly theres Mac. And the "whole zhitload of people" don't have a PS3 or PC they would use nothing/Wii.

I see your point, but the Home app allows you to tilt the controller to move. It really is as simple as it gets. And any app on a PC (even work related) could be converted to work on the PS3 using the OS, but mathematical computations bog down the infastructure and will run slower than a work computer would ATM. If you ever tried the game Flow you would understand how much easier the motion control is than a mouse and KB (which have the option to be used).

Also any media can be transfered to Divx, MPEG, ect ect.... I have found all the basic entertainment properties that you find on your PC, much like you... I just had to know/learn where to look. Saying, "does it play WoW?", "can it play Crytec engine games", "does it have porn", is symantics. It CAN do all these things, Home is simple the most user-friendly way to receive these apps,

Then there's the social aspect, whats an easier (and natural) way to socialize other than direct voice feed? Really I don't see the down side to this application, you'll still be able to use the browser if you want to go advanced internet... but this will eliminate the NEED to know how to do that.

Home just seems to make the internet easy, on a system that comes with everything you need exept the TV and connection. I think grandparents saw how easy Wii was and might of subconsciencely thought they could FINALLY enjoy the tech "fad". Well with home, you get all the possitive aspects of the internet without having to be frustrated or learn redundant/useless info. The time you spend learning the tech stuff could be spent trying to cure cancer, or find alternative forms of energy... wasted time is wasted time... learning how to browse the internet should not be considered required human skillset, like crawling 100 miles instead of driving 100 miles. Take into account the PS2 has sold over 100million units worldwide.... I think you will start to understand Sony's ultimate goal and why they released a system that was dubbed "too expensive to JUST play games". Really was genius on there part, question is.... can they deliver?

 

[H.R.Shovenstuff]

So what, you work for sony?

 

[Danny Ocean]

This 'Home' idea was done by me, 2 years ago, in Second Life. It's not new

 

[D_987]

This topic is really stupid to be honest, your effectivly tryin to claim the PS3's browsing capabilities are better than a PC'S.

What youfail to see is that the PS3 does not do this, home will not allow you to wander trough home pahes with an avatar, althoguh a team at Lindon labs (creators of second life) are actually looking into the possibilites of that, Sony are not.

And futher more, Songs online capabilities are terrible, nobody (unless they are incredibly stupid) uses their PS3 to browse the internet when they have a PC, thats more reliable (lets face itthe PS3 is slow) can run better games (=p) and is easier to use (the mouse)

In short, the PS3's online capabilities (they are just getting to the stage Xbox live was in 2002 in the whole online games department and your trying to claim they are the future...)are terrible.

And Sony tried the same portable internet thing with the PSP and failed, because moving a stick around is really annoying for the less capable people (who you call Grandmas)than simply scrolling up or down, lets not have any pretence here, the PS3's controller is not better than a mouse.

 

[WTEricson]

This topic is really stupid to be honest, your effectivly tryin to claim the PS3's browsing capabilities are better than a PC'S.

What youfail to see is that the PS3 does not do this, home will not allow you to wander trough home pahes with an avatar, althoguh a team at Lindon labs (creators of second life) are actually looking into the possibilites of that, Sony are not.

And futher more, Songs online capabilities are terrible, nobody (unless they are incredibly stupid) uses their PS3 to browse the internet when they have a PC, thats more reliable (lets face itthe PS3 is slow) can run better games (=p) and is easier to use (the mouse)

In short, the PS3's online capabilities (they are just getting to the stage Xbox live was in 2002 in the whole online games department and your trying to claim they are the future...)are terrible.

And Sony tried the same portable internet thing with the PSP and failed, because moving a stick around is really annoying for the less capable people (who you call Grandmas)than simply scrolling up or down, lets not have any pretence here, the PS3's controller is not better than a mouse.

Like I said I study exastentionalism, I don't beleive in fighting for the sake of fighting and the brains addictions (it slows the evolution process), but I must defend my statements (defending others promotes evlotion).

I never said that it was "better", I have said "I never said it was better" multiple times now though. I just beleive it to be a good app that mirrors the ultimate evolution of the internet and mankinds needs to share thoughts and ideas easier than what we have with the current system of the internet. Much like the internet you will still deal with "shit", but it allows a broader spectrum of people to enjoy/share that otherwise get frustrated by the current alternatives.

I don't think I'm "better" than you, I just wanted to come in a place ideas were shared and get some feadback to increase my knowledge. I'm sorry if the subject frustrated you.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

Well, they did keep on saying that you had to pay for Home or compared it to free applications on the PC. Just sayin' is all...

No, I know it's free. It just seemed like the guy was saying people would buy a PS3 based on this feature, as it would be a viable alternative to a PC. That is what I don't agree with.

Like I said I study exastentionalism, I don't beleive in fighting for the sake of fighting and the brains addictions (it slows the evolution process), but I must defend my statements (defending others promotes evlotion).

Good for you? I've never been fighting with you, you said your opinion and I said mine. Isn't that the discussion you were looking for? I'm not stifling you, I'm just saying what I think.

I never said that it was "better", I have said "I never said it was better" multiple times now though. I just beleive it to be a good app that mirrors the ultimate evolution of the internet and mankinds needs to share thoughts and ideas easier than what we have with the current system of the internet. Much like the internet you will still deal with "shit", but it allows a broader spectrum of people to enjoy/share that otherwise get frustrated by the current alternatives.

That's not true. You said things like it's an "advancement" on the PC. You said the PS3 is more reliable and cheaper than a PC. When you were proved wrong you started backtracking. The simple truth is that PCs are more reliable than a PS3 (I still have a fully working PC from 12 years ago which only cost £350 which is less than a PS3), a decent PC with a better processor, more RAM etc. is cheaper than a PS3 and they have more versatility than a PS3 and these functions are easier to use on a PC than a PS3, and before you say otherwise, yes I have used both of them. My grandparents can use a PC but if you give them a PS3 and I doubt they could navigate it. It's a good feature, granted, but it isn't a selling point.

I don't think I'm "better" than you, I just wanted to come in a place ideas were shared and get some feadback to increase my knowledge. I'm sorry if the subject frustrated you.

Shill.

 

[WTEricson]

I have enjoyed the conversation with you Phoenix, I didn't come here to piss you (or anyone else) off. You have many valid points and the feedback has been entertaining and knowledgable. I do beleive it can be considered an "advancement", but not of the PC... just of apps an interfaces. My experience is it's more reliable, nothing 100% reliable thought (97% is pretty damn good though). I'm not trying to sell anything persay, just responding to questions that lead from the original post of facts, I can admit I don't have the elequence to give it justice, but I also don't have the elequence to tell a blind person how pretty the sky is... seeing is beleiving (Sony's recent commercial slogan BTW). I'de love to continue or conversation on less bias subject and look forward to seeing you in Home soon. Tag is StaticXX... I know it's imature, but I like them

Again I appologize if I offended anyone here, it was not my intention.