The other side of "Girls only date jerks"

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When I stopped being bashful, and became more willing to show who I actually was, then girls flirted with me.

I wasn't an asshole though, nor am I particularly handsome (I think, people have told me otherwise). I'm a writer, an entertainer, and a performer, and I like to help people. And girls seemed to like that. And we're very open with eachother: quite a few people have cried on my shoulders, both men and women.

I'm not a very romantic guy though, and I just have a lot of close friends of both genders. I just don't think of that kind of love very often. But since some of these flirted with me, I assume just being honest and casual is a good thing. What a revelation.

I don't initially approach girls with a relationship in mind. I'd rather have a lasting friend then a brief romance. If we get close, and they drop some hints, the question of romance may come up. That's about all there is too it in my experience. Most women in my life are more like sisters or gaming pals to me.
 

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Mating rituals are an irrelevant distraction to advancing the Geth Reich. Fortunately, thanks to their synthetic superiority, the Geth are not concerned by these acts.
 

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LetalisK said:
Yassen said:
So why not try being a confident nice guy?
Because for too many people being "nice" means being a doormat.

OT: Nice humblebrag. But at least you learned something. Your next task is to learn that being attractive, confident, and dominant does not have to include "borderline rude douchebag" behavior or betraying who you are as a person. This doesn't have to be an either-or thing.
And it's totally idiotic that so many people make that assumption. Because you're polite doesn't mean you're a doormat, you can still act gentlemanly or ladylike and still have confidence in yourself
 

geK0

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I seem to be able to attract females without being a jerk to them..... Am I just special?
 

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I've done this before on a bet! I needed to prove to my friend that being a dickcheese works on some women, so I adopted an abrasive persona and feigned interest in shit I hate and it got the attention of a dull-witted woman. She was tan, skinny, and bleach-blond; qualities that mixed together are gross to me. Anyway, once after successfully flirting for a half-hour or I begin ease in my personality, changing topics from loving frat parties to literature and she lost interest so fast I almost lost it when she started to make up an excuse to leave, which is the awesome "My friend is throwing up in the bathroom I have to help her.".

The bathroom was empty. Oh the laughter that ensued was bountiful.

Sure, in an environment where dumb college girls and and alcohol are flowing like the river it's easy to be an asshole and score, but that is certainly no way to live if you're a self-respecting individual. All my relationships have been far and few in between but they were with women that are intelligent and embraced who I am. Sometimes you have to just endure the struggle and pursue personal betterment if you want to have a shot to find the person that's right for you.

Lesson: Don't be a dick.[/quote]

love that story
 

xshadowscreamx

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i just cant act like a douche its just not in me.

edit: so i messed up the quote above me. the credit to that story belongs to THE RASCAL KING
 

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Watcheroftrends said:
This might've already been said, but it's not the jerk part that got you laid. It's the taking care of yourself and being confident part. The jerk part might help you attract a certain type of girl, but not the ones you actually want to be dating. I'm a naturally confident person, and I tend to take care of my appearance (by which I mean I make sure I shower and put on deodorant every day). I'll admit I'm a fairly good looking guy, but I'm also nice to people. The kicker is that I can get almost any girl I want to, and often have been forced to friendzone girls (yes, you read that right) because I'm already in a relationship. During highschool I literally had the stereotypical anime-harem thing going on because I was confident, and I attracted the women I wanted to attract because I was nice. Not doormat-nice, but I know what I'm doing, I know who I am, and I like being nice to people-nice.

The key to this is just being confident and taking care of yourself. You can be a jerk if you want to be, you can be a nice guy, or anything in between. The different sides of the spectrum might get you different types of girls, but so long as you do it right and you can throw off a bit of charm you'll be getting more women than you know what to do with. You don't have to take my word for it; keep doing what you're doing, but be nice instead of a jerk and see what happens. I'll almost guarantee you that you'll keep getting women, but you'll start attracting the kind that you want to attract more.
 

Black Phoenix

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Ok, so...

Maybe not really the place to ask this, but if confidence is the most important thing here, how exactly does one go about gaining more confidence if one doesn't have any to start with? Or am I missing something...?

Question I've always wanted to ask...
 

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I find it sad that none of the women that have posted in this thread have actually said that they don't like jerks.
 

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I'd like to share a revelation I've had during my time here. Three of them, actually.

[HEADING=1]Not all women want the same thing.[/HEADING]How hard is this concept to grasp? What a girl looks for in a partner is as unique as the girl doing the looking. You may as well ask what do women like to eat, or what cars do women drive. Some girls like guys who resemble a fleshy beanbag chair, others like their guys 100% submissive. Trying to argue they 'all want X' is ludicrous.
[HEADING=1]Confidence does not equal being a jerk.[/HEADING]You need confidence to be a jerk, you don't need to be a jerk to have confidence. Just being who you are, and not giving a damn what anyone thinks of you for it? That is confidence. You want to hear something crazy? I'm 22 years old, and I collect LEGO. And get this: chicks dig it. You want to know why? Because I'm confident about it.
[HEADING=1]Being 'nice' doesn't mean being a pussy.[/HEADING]I don't know where the idea that being a nice person also meant being someone's doormat came from, because it's pretty damn idiotic. It's not difficult to be a nice person while also standing up for yourself. Being nice doesn't mean bending over for anyone who asks, it just means not treating everyone like dirt.
In short, stop generalising, grow a spine, and face the world head-on.
 

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Madgamer13 said:
Greets!

Oh-ho, this is funny. If you had to change your behaviour to being a 'jerk' in order to 'get women' then I am sorry to break it to you, but you are already a 'jerk'

Listen, I have over 13 years of experience of being a nice douchebag and I have noticed that being a... what was it called... a 'jerk?' Oh, yeah, that is it, does not get you the womens. My slow growth in confidence over those years hasn't seen me get more of the elusive womens either, nay! So, does being a jerk or having overflowing levels of confidence get you the women?

Nay!

I shall speak from my own conclusions, take them as you will; Women seek to go out with men for the exact same reasons that men seek to go out with women, sometimes it is for sex only, sometimes it is for a deeper relationship, and sometimes yet further, people seek to go out with eachother because they want to manipulate their partner and dump the stresses of their lives on them and walk away scot free?

Oh! I hope I didn't trip on a reason as to why you suddenly started to get women when you acted like a 'jerk' Mister Original Poster!

Sarcasm and insult level too high for you? Well, my apologies to you, maybe I am getting too emotional over this, maybe I am just getting annoyed that you are shaking your head at the silly creature known as the woman, proving you right over something that is really pointless.

Maybe the reason you started getting more women, is because those very women believed that the 'jerk' version of you is actually a more truer image of you than even you can properly see? Maybe these women approached you because you dont look like one of these fakers?

Can anyone else see the incredible amount of lies that people coat themselves with when things do not go the way they wanted? It is as sure as the clear of day to me that is the case, because look at all the crazy amounts of overbearing, internet, whining!

I love this stuff, OmNomNom.
I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that anyone who speaks in the manner of a 200 year old english professor, is successful with the ladies.

Also, what the OP has tried I have as well it took me a little over 8 months to get in good enough shape and to program my personality correctly, but I was regularily dating multiple women usually 5 at a time, dumping them and finding new women when the old batch got boring.

Now, I would like to be able to say I'm not an asshoole, but I honestly can't, even though I can point to certain underlying traits, that may make me nicer than some overall, considering how many different masks I've worn over the years, I find myself to have become a more easily depressed, husk of a man... I'm lost any sense of who I am at least a decade ago. My emotions don't quite work anymore.

I gave up on dating awhile ago, because of two things, women run from a man with herpes, as if the hounds of hell are chasing her, and I honestly can't be bothered to pull on yet another mask to hide my broken face(personality).
All I've ever found is that being with a woman though fulfilling emotionally, and helpful like the last time I seriously injured myself, helping me bathe and whatnot, can't really ask that of your buddies now can you? But really all I've ever found as an asshole or a nice confident guy, were selfish women looking to me to fix their lives, and when I offered help ignoring my advice and treating me like an idiot, so why should I bother?
 

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DoomyMcDoom said:
Madgamer13 said:
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I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that anyone who speaks in the manner of a 200 year old english professor, is successful with the ladies.

Also, what the OP has tried I have as well it took me a little over 8 months to get in good enough shape and to program my personality correctly, but I was regularily dating multiple women usually 5 at a time, dumping them and finding new women when the old batch got boring.

Now, I would like to be able to say I'm not an asshoole, but I honestly can't, even though I can point to certain underlying traits, that may make me nicer than some overall, considering how many different masks I've worn over the years, I find myself to have become a more easily depressed, husk of a man... I'm lost any sense of who I am at least a decade ago. My emotions don't quite work anymore.

I gave up on dating awhile ago, because of two things, women run from a man with herpes, as if the hounds of hell are chasing her, and I honestly can't be bothered to pull on yet another mask to hide my broken face(personality).
All I've ever found is that being with a woman though fulfilling emotionally, and helpful like the last time I seriously injured myself, helping me bathe and whatnot, can't really ask that of your buddies now can you? But really all I've ever found as an asshole or a nice confident guy, were selfish women looking to me to fix their lives, and when I offered help ignoring my advice and treating me like an idiot, so why should I bother?
Greets!

It would appear that you have discovered the true cost of forcing yourself to think in a certain way for a certain goal and such lies the real problem of becomming a 'jerk' to 'get women'

When you behave in a way that appears more believable to everyone else than your true sense of self, you too may yet believe it yourself! This is the point of the post you have quoted, not that 'girls really do date jerks' but that women will date people who are true.

Note that word I used; True. That word is important, as from what you've described you should have experience in the differences between what you wanted in a woman before you became a 'jerk' and what you wanted in 'women' when you became a 'jerk'

Remember, this is very important, when you shifted your behaviour to display assholish properties, you began to attract ladies who like that sort of behaviour. This is where the ladies looking at this thread will no doubt shake their heads and sigh, since this is as clear as day to them, the differences that exist between women.

Such is the biggest question of all, if a certain type of women became attracted to your assholish qualities, what made you attracted to them in the first place? Were you looking at the individuals you were partnering up with, or were you just seeing something convenient to you?

But none of that really seems to matter, you seem to have been doing the 'jerk = fast ladies' thing for a while now and have paid the price. At least now you'll be able to get a guage of what it is you actually need in a relationship, I can tell with what you've chosen to share on these glorious intertubes.

So, what do you think? How has your outlook on relationships developed since you put on the bad boy face? And, finally, what does this mean for your future?
 

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Abandon4093 said:
Relationships are a series of well consider lies and strategic acts of deception.

... Well, the successful ones are.
Man, I'm really depressed right now that this worldview not only exists but appears to be common.
 

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All this talk about "confidence"...

Okay, I get it, I suppose, but "confidence" is a mental state, right? So there's no way to actually pinpoint exactly what it is because it manifests differently in everyone, right? So it gets confused with things like "flamboyance", "assholery", "arrogance", "attention-seeking" and so on.

So if I may ask, a little philosophically, does some kind of a universal "confidence" denominator even exist? Can you be sure, on the first glance, that the dude standing on the side is lacking in confidence or interest?
 

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Madgamer13 said:
DoomyMcDoom said:
Madgamer13 said:
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*snippage*
Greets!

It would appear that you have discovered the true cost of forcing yourself to think in a certain way for a certain goal and such lies the real problem of becomming a 'jerk' to 'get women'

When you behave in a way that appears more believable to everyone else than your true sense of self, you too may yet believe it yourself! This is the point of the post you have quoted, not that 'girls really do date jerks' but that women will date people who are true.

Note that word I used; True. That word is important, as from what you've described you should have experience in the differences between what you wanted in a woman before you became a 'jerk' and what you wanted in 'women' when you became a 'jerk'

Remember, this is very important, when you shifted your behaviour to display assholish properties, you began to attract ladies who like that sort of behaviour. This is where the ladies looking at this thread will no doubt shake their heads and sigh, since this is as clear as day to them, the differences that exist between women.

Such is the biggest question of all, if a certain type of women became attracted to your assholish qualities, what made you attracted to them in the first place? Were you looking at the individuals you were partnering up with, or were you just seeing something convenient to you?

But none of that really seems to matter, you seem to have been doing the 'jerk = fast ladies' thing for a while now and have paid the price. At least now you'll be able to get a guage of what it is you actually need in a relationship, I can tell with what you've chosen to share on these glorious intertubes.

So, what do you think? How has your outlook on relationships developed since you put on the bad boy face? And, finally, what does this mean for your future?
Well y'see, I was a virgin until the age of 24 because of not being a jerk, I wasn't really a doormat or anything, but I was an agreeable, nice, respectful man, and I couldn't get a date with anyone if my life depended on it, lemme say, I went on maybe 3 dates a decade in that persona, and even then, that was a modification of a modification of a rewrite of a recompilation of my original personality, so I have no idea where I started, like truly started, I've had the ability to essencially rebuild myself as a person, and thus change "Who I am" at will since I was young, still do it today.

Now, as a more jerky guy I went after a variety of types of women, after about the first month I started walking out on, or telling off any woman I couldn't have a decent conversation with, I moved on to the more intelligent crowd, and I found that if I modified my jerkyness with enough cocky humour, and light intellectualism, I could score with ANYONE, I worked at it for quite some time and I got to the point of, meet woman on bus, chat woman up on bus, making out in back of bus. Which I found to be quite nice.

Thing is, I just got tired of trying, I mean the level of energy it requires to be "That guy" that women want, it's tiring as fuck, it was mentally and psychologically exhausting, it was like having straight intellectual, and heavy philosophical debates for days compressed into a few hours.
I now realize that I'm much happier, not caring about it all.

What I learned is, pretty much anyone can be a "ladies' man" if they know how to smooth talk, and crack the right jokes, but, if you are looking for a long term investment, being that guy for longer than a month with any specific person, is tiring as hell, and tends to wear you out fast, meaning I don't care enough about "having someone to be with" if it takes that kind of horrendous energy cost to do so, I would rather just kinda wait around and hope that some day somewhere there's a woman who is actually compatable with me, and just give up on any pretense of caring about the whole thing.

I equate people who are obsessed with being in a relationship, with people who are obsessed with monetary gain, it's a form of "success" as dictated by our society, as such personal satisfaction with one's life, and the idea of "success" are not definitely connected, I am happier not caring about these things, and just enjoying the time I share with the people I enjoy sharing it with, and that's life.

Money, sex, fame, meaningless.
Money is a tool nothing more, there is no reason to amass more than you need to live in relative comfort, sex is fleeting, addictive, and unless it is with the right person, can ruin your life, fame, well, being too well known is a curse more than a blessing, as your reputation goes from being your friend to controlling you, forcing you to maintain an immage, whether you want to or not.

If more people realized this, I mean truly "realised" like accepted these as fact at their core, the world would be a much much better place, for everyone.

I've learned much, yet I know I am still a fool. There is much to learn, and much to experience, but when it comes down to it, I know I am too limited in position, to do much other than shout out into the darkness, hoping someone somewhere will learn from my mistakes, and from my life, that they may find improvement in theirs.
 

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Abandon4093 said:
You're off your rocker if you think people in long term successful relationships don't hide things from one another.

You can't really wish to unload all of your secrets, desires and insecurities onto someone you spend more time with than anyone else and expect things to keep chugging along like normal.

Deep down we're very secretive animals, time we spend with each other and the things we allow those closest to us to see need to be well measured and considered.

I know the modern mantra amongst couples is "no secrets". But that's honestly a very, very bad idea.
There's a fine line between stating that occasional deception/secretiveness is necessary in a healthy long term relationship (which I agree with), and suggesting that "Relationships are a series of well consider lies and strategic acts of deception". Lying is a social skill and should be employed when necessary, but it's not like your average relationship is nothing but wall to wall deception from sun up to bed time.

One of my friends has a "100% honesty, all the time" rule when it comes to relationships, and while it hasn't made her life particularly easy (nor did it making dating her particularly easy, back when I did), she's managed to make things work with her husband.