The Playstation Loses.. To the Playstation

[Artemis923]

I don't understand why Sony would decide not to include backwards compatibility for games of THEIR BEST SYSTEM EVER (PS2) into the PS3. You can only play PS2 games on certain PS3's that i'm pretty sure aren't made anymore. Yet PS1 games work fine. Even with the good PS3 games that are out now, I still believe PS3 deserves not to be winning the console war.

When my buddy brought over his PS3 I was freakin excited...until I brought out Soul Reaver 2 and he told me his system had no backwards-compatability.

My response was a resounding "YA BLEW IT!!!" >.<

 

[The_Bat_Dan]

This happened because the PS3 is shit... then again so is the PS2, so I can't see any reason why anyone would buy one of those either, even with the price cut... man are Sony stupid.

 

[branalvere]

Indigo, you are a such a Sony fanboy that you seem to have lost the ability to reason. Isn't it the case that the vast majority of the "big names" you refer to are busy making multi platform games and due to the very nature of multi platform they are made to the limitations of the lowest spec machine - ie the 360. Isn't it also the case that the vast majority of said multi platform games for PS3 are ports of the 360 versions?

Tecmo seem to be pretty busy making games for the wii and ds at present which does support your assertion that they go where the power is (when you consider that 360 and PS3 are a distant 2nd and 3rd at present) but if you think that another Ninja Gaiden game is going to be the defining moment of PS3, good luck!

BTW, since when were Quantic Dream a "big name"? Theyve only made about 2 games and none on next gen. They are an unknown quantity. I'm also amused that 2 developers can be classed as a "flock". Surely that's a brace?

 

[branalvere]

Mars, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance. 2 Western RPG's, 2 series of non-realistic shooters. In realistic terms, there is something for everyone. Whereas the 360 doesn't have 2D platformers or vehicular combat.

Indigo, you really have no idea, do you? 360 has no vehicular combat? Shit I wish someone had told me that before I bought Halo 3. I cant be bothered to list all the other games that have vehicular combat on 360 but we both know there's plenty. And are you seriously quoting Resistance as a reason to buy a PS3? Come on man, resistance is shit. You know it. I know it.

2D platformers - Braid, anyone? Isn't that widely acclaimed as one of the most innovative 2D platformers for years and at less than a tenner on XBL it's something of a bargain too.

If you want a non realistic shooter, how about Halo 3. Or Gears 2. They are both fairly highly regarded....

 

[Zac_Dai]

I think what a lot of people are failing to see is that if Sony doesn't get their shit together, there may not be any more exclusives, nor will there be a comeback in the next generation. The worldwide recession could knock them out cold if things don't turn around for them in another year or two. Sony is losing revenue all over the board, not only in the video game sector. They'll lose investors. Then they'll have to start charging for PSN (which I've read from some industry blogs might happen by the end of the year) and they'll lose the capital to invest into exclusives. That's a considerable amount of nails for their coffin. Huge companies are going under left and right in this economic recession. Don't think that a commodities company like Sony can avoid the fate shared by several auto makers this past month.

Articles like this not only reinforce the hard data that it's doing badly, it reinforces the idea that it's doing badly. People want security with their purchase, or at least perceived security. Unless they can turn public opinion, which is going to be nothing but an uphill battle, they might be sinking painfully slow.

Damn true.

People just don't buy Sony products anymore.

I remember several years ago Sony TVs were seen as a good buy but now people will buy a Samsung or Toshiba instead and before the ipod most people owned a Sony Walkman.

They just don't make products people want anymore. I wouldn't even invest money into them.

 

[ohellynot]

i smell irony.

sorry that was me.

 

[The_Bat_Dan]

I have the original PS3 (with backwards compatibility) and it was a f*cking expensive machine. What are they now $300-$400? As opposed to $750-$800? Sony CLEARLY explained their exclusion of Backwards Compatibility as well as the exclusion of the extra ports (SD cards etc) which was, to drop the price because people were in fact complaining about it (and I do realise this has been said previously, I just feel some people need it hammered into their heads to get the damn point)

My Wii has full backwards compatability AND SD Card functionality, AND it didn't cost anywhere near what the PS3 did, therefore your argument makes no sense at all. (I'm not a Wii fanboy)

 

[FrostyV3]

lol, it was to be expected; the PS2 was a shining gem in the console world.
~Frosty.

 

[bad rider]

Side Note. Not a single one of those games interest me.

The second you said that you immediately lost the argument. Good day sir.

Oh, and you people who whine about the price and the BC need to really shut up. Just plain and simple.

They had to remove BC just to lower the price. So if you want BC, prepare to shell out some money. OR better yet, GET A PS2 WITH IT. Or best yet, use the Ps2 you likely own already!

This is grade school thinking people. You want something. you have to give something else up.

I see you failed to notice I wasn't arguing FOR Microsoft, therefore there was no argument. I stated that no Xbox releases this year interest me either. I wouldnt own either console if I hadn't been gifted an Xbox. Mind you you seem like the kind who would say YOU SHOULD HAVE TRADED IT IN FOR A PS3!!!!!

Ah. Alright then.

BEcause I hate it when someone says every game on [insert console] doesn't interest them and that somehow justifies their bashing of said console.

It's a really bad argument for anti-Sony and anti-MS people, or even anti-Nintendo people.

This is from someone who has never EVER BOUGHT either a Sony or Microsoft console. Before I was GIFTED an Xbox 360 I was considering buying one anyway. I have never ever seen a game exclusive to the PS3 that made me want to buy one. I may consider buying one once I have a job, but it would mainly be for the Blu Ray.

That's fine and well. It still doesn't mean the PS3 lacks games, though. It's just not right for you.

I think that's what alot of people seem to mistake. Not everyone has similar interests in games.

Oh thank god. You make sense! Indigo_Dingo is the main culprit I know of this lack of understanding. I just don't enjoy the range of games offered by the PS3. I personally enjoy Western RPGs (Mass Effect and the like) and Non-Realistic shooters. Could you seriously recommend a PS3 to me?

Demons Soul, Mars, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance. 2 Western RPG's, 2 series of non-realistic shooters. In realistic terms, there is something for everyone. Whereas the 360 doesn't have 2D platformers or vehicular combat.

Er, half the arcade games are 2D, an for vehicular coma theres games e.g lost planet chromehounds.

 

[DocChewey]

well they're pretty much giving ps2s out on the street, the wii is cheap and "kid friendly" and the 360 has halo 3 (5 out of 10) on it oh and people have to buy replacement 360s because of e74 AND red ring of death

 

[the_tramp]

The way things are going, I think the PS3 is going to be the next Dreamcast...

 

[Dante18907]

I have the original PS3 (with backwards compatibility) and it was a f*cking expensive machine. What are they now $300-$400? As opposed to $750-$800? Sony CLEARLY explained their exclusion of Backwards Compatibility as well as the exclusion of the extra ports (SD cards etc) which was, to drop the price because people were in fact complaining about it (and I do realise this has been said previously, I just feel some people need it hammered into their heads to get the damn point)

My Wii has full backwards compatability AND SD Card functionality, AND it didn't cost anywhere near what the PS3 did, therefore your argument makes no sense at all. (I'm not a Wii fanboy)

Considering my argument was directed at the futility of the console wars, I would say that it does make shining sense. I would also like to thank you for proving my point.

 

[pirateninj4]

I bought a PS3, one with backwards compatibility.

The problem was, the PS3 had only a very small handful of titles that I wanted, and they were all so short it didn't justify buying the system.
I wouldn't consider buying the system a second time until they release some better games. I don't care about the graphics this system is putting out nearly as much as I care about how interesting a game looks, how fun the game actually is, the amount of game play available, and how the challenges progress throughout said game play.
Those are just my main concerns with a game, there is so much more than that, and at the very bottom of the list, is graphics.

Totally agree, eye candy doesn't hold my attention long enough. I want innovative game play and value for money in the form of longer to finish games. The current slew of PS3 games do not inspire me to purchase the system.

 

[The_Bat_Dan]

I have the original PS3 (with backwards compatibility) and it was a f*cking expensive machine. What are they now $300-$400? As opposed to $750-$800? Sony CLEARLY explained their exclusion of Backwards Compatibility as well as the exclusion of the extra ports (SD cards etc) which was, to drop the price because people were in fact complaining about it (and I do realise this has been said previously, I just feel some people need it hammered into their heads to get the damn point)

My Wii has full backwards compatability AND SD Card functionality, AND it didn't cost anywhere near what the PS3 did, therefore your argument makes no sense at all. (I'm not a Wii fanboy)

Considering my argument was directed at the futility of the console wars, I would say that it does make shining sense. I would also like to thank you for proving my point.

What the hell are you talking about?
Your point is basically "Sony thought it would be fat too expensive to include BC or extra ports" no it isn't... like I said in my previous post my Wii cost a HELL of a lot less than the PS3 likely ever will and it has BC, so it clearly can't cost that much more, if anything at all. The on.y reason I could ever justify the price of the PS3 would be the bluray capability, but then I'd have to buy Bluray DVDs which are like £30 a piece, and I already have hundreds of regular DVD's that play in a perfectly good enough definition anyway.

 

[revolverwolf]

Damn. Does this mean that LittleBigPlanet can be out for the 360 now? It's the only game worth the money on the PS3.

The PS3 may be falling behind in America, but it's the best console in Europe, Australia, and the second best in Japan. Just because it's bad in America doesn't mean the whole thing is a blow out. I'm not saying that it's going to win overall, it's just that it's not as bad as ppl think.

I ask you for proof. Give me proof of these things you say, or I shall chalk them up to an opinion.

 

[bad rider]

Side Note. Not a single one of those games interest me.

The second you said that you immediately lost the argument. Good day sir.

Oh, and you people who whine about the price and the BC need to really shut up. Just plain and simple.

They had to remove BC just to lower the price. So if you want BC, prepare to shell out some money. OR better yet, GET A PS2 WITH IT. Or best yet, use the Ps2 you likely own already!

This is grade school thinking people. You want something. you have to give something else up.

I see you failed to notice I wasn't arguing FOR Microsoft, therefore there was no argument. I stated that no Xbox releases this year interest me either. I wouldnt own either console if I hadn't been gifted an Xbox. Mind you you seem like the kind who would say YOU SHOULD HAVE TRADED IT IN FOR A PS3!!!!!

Ah. Alright then.

BEcause I hate it when someone says every game on [insert console] doesn't interest them and that somehow justifies their bashing of said console.

It's a really bad argument for anti-Sony and anti-MS people, or even anti-Nintendo people.

This is from someone who has never EVER BOUGHT either a Sony or Microsoft console. Before I was GIFTED an Xbox 360 I was considering buying one anyway. I have never ever seen a game exclusive to the PS3 that made me want to buy one. I may consider buying one once I have a job, but it would mainly be for the Blu Ray.

That's fine and well. It still doesn't mean the PS3 lacks games, though. It's just not right for you.

I think that's what alot of people seem to mistake. Not everyone has similar interests in games.

Oh thank god. You make sense! Indigo_Dingo is the main culprit I know of this lack of understanding. I just don't enjoy the range of games offered by the PS3. I personally enjoy Western RPGs (Mass Effect and the like) and Non-Realistic shooters. Could you seriously recommend a PS3 to me?

Demons Soul, Mars, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance. 2 Western RPG's, 2 series of non-realistic shooters. In realistic terms, there is something for everyone. Whereas the 360 doesn't have 2D platformers or vehicular combat.

Er, half the arcade games are 2D, an for vehicular coma theres games e.g lost planet chromehounds.

Thats not what I mean and you know it. Vehicular combat isn't about vehicles being a part of a third person shooter. Its about a car equipped with Machine Guns and a Tesla Coil, driving around pursuing a target, shooting Napalm at it. And if we're pulling in Downloadable gamnes, due to the intense creativity people show in the PsN, the list of genres the 360 doesn't have just tripled. You don't have anything like Flower, Rag Doll Kung Fu, Burn Zombie Burn, Noby Noby Boy, Pixeljunk Eden, or any really good Tower Defence games, among others.

Err don't take my arm off, you mentioned a lack of 2d games all i did was point out that we do have them, having ago at me for not mentoning the PS3's title is a bit aggrsive. I never said the PS3 didn't. Also chromehounds was about giant mechanical robots blowing each others arms off (vehicular combat), lost planet mechs going around beating people up 75% of the time (vehicular combat 75%). But we do have a few car fight car games. e.g full auto (yes the ps3 has them aswell)