The Police are Ignoring me!
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Just a heads up Different laws in the US i believe its illegal to drive a certain amount below the speed limit or some such. No such law in the UK, the victim can be contested just because OP posted doesn't mean he was the victim it's only here say.
Either way im just trying to make the point that the guy wasn't a saint in this situation and should not be crying to the police because he came off worse in the incident.
Either way im just trying to make the point that the guy wasn't a saint in this situation and should not be crying to the police because he came off worse in the incident.
I'm inclined to agree.SaneAmongInsane said:
Or, more realistically (but far less conveniently): A crime in which the "victim" didn't help instigate. I'm sorry, but like I said before, most police units won't look into a "mutually agreed upon fray," which this would fall under since he helped instigate and escalate.The Youth Counselor said:
It's not that choking people is good. It's not that being a dick in traffic is good, either. It's not that this is the poster's fault in its entirety. Nobody deserves to be strangled, but he threw himself into this position.
I think the story originated in Australia, actually. However, it's been passed on to so many different cultures as urban legend, it's hard to tell.Clearing the Eye said:
Anyway, I think the most important point there is that again, the guy escalated a confrontation when he could have waited for the police. He became a higher priority when he SHOT SOMEONE, which should be a no-brainer, and still it's often tossed around as a story as to how the police would rather punish the "innocent." Go figure, eh?
I'm sure getting strangled and whining to the cops counts as bravery because....James Joseph Emerald said:
Actually, help a brudda out.
Yes, but only because he did.
Yes, but only in a case where the woman instigated the confrontation, and as you'd be hard-pressed to find such instance sin any legit sense, I'ma have to flag you for a false equivalence fallacy.
Women who are raped, generally speaking, do not tilt at guys in dark allies.
It's not your responsibility, no, but if you do decide to have a go at them, you're going to have to deal with the consequences. And don't be surprised when people don't care.
They strangled one person that we know of, in an instance escalated by the person strangled. Slight difference.
Yes, people who say things you don't like are just trying to be thoughtlessly contrary.
Sure it is. But that doesn't give me the excuse to step out of line. It is my genuine belief that my country should be like Switzerland and have militia members have service rifles in a locker. Doesn't mean I am entitled to go to a machine shop and start making fully automatic weapons for me and my friends.RazadaMk2 said:
If you assaulted the police officer then you would be the aggressor and you know it. In any other thread, assaulting a police officer would justify calling others criminals so don't try to justify it or blame the officer for your behavior.
Srebrenica? Because cuffing a girl is the moral equivalent of genocide.
If you're an American citizen and act in self defense against an intruder, you will put your gun away and wait for the cops to cuff you. That's what happens. I don't see the problem of attempted suicide being considered knife crime. Somehow firearm suicides also end up being part of the gun crime statistics in the US.
Also, wouldn't the constriction of the cuffs *help* with the blood loss?
Clearing the Eye said:
Fail. Didn't happen in the US, and there were no guns involved.
Plus, any Concealed Carry license holder knows that because (s)he has a gun (s)he has an added responsibility at avoiding confrontations. Generally speaking, if this happened in the US, in a state that allows CCW everyone wouldn't be hot-headed because there was the danger of escalation.
So if I take a girl into a date-rape, it's her responsibility too for being into me at first? Cool story, bro. I'll use the "instigation" argument in court.Zachary Amaranth said:
(1) Submit a report to the police ombudsman for your state. See http://www.lawstuff.org.au/vic_law/topics/police/article for further details. (2) Write or meet in person your State Senate or House of Representative member and talk to them. To find your local member see http://www.vec.vic.gov.au/Lookup/LocalityFinder.htm (Victoria) and http://www.streetlist.elections.nsw.gov.au/ (New South Wales) or just use google.Jewrean said:
Umm, yes it is.reonhato said:
Someone who shoots at you is being an asshole and doing something dangerous, i suppose you should just take the bullets instead of shooting back, huh?
And no, i'm not being melodramatic. Ever seen the results of a head-on collision? Hitting a large piece of steel with your large piece of steel is only a good idea when your piece of steel is a tank.
Speeding up while being overtaken is the single most dangerous thing most people can do in their lives short of stealing a bus and driving it off a bridge. It's very easy to cause a loss of multiple lives for no apparent reason.
As for your bullshit 'oh it's his fault for not making sure he has enough room' crap argument, i'm now seriously doubting you've ever driven. Many distances can turn from 'reasonable' to 'too short' with just another 10km/h difference. This is the reason school zones are 40km/h instead of 50.
You can have a stack of room to overtake, but if the douchebag you're overtaking decides to speed up, effectively doubling or tripling your overtaking distance, they're the ones that caused the danger and as such have forfeited their rights to continue operating their motorvehicle in the same space that your motorvehicle should be in, and as such it's perfectly within your rights to reclaim said space.
And anyone who says that OP was in the wrong for yelling,
BULLSHIT.
See how calm you are after someone just caused danger to your life, and then tell me that pulling over onto the side of the road and only yelling through your window is an overreaction. Most people will have stopped in the road and left their vehicle with a weapon.
OP is legally allowed and indeed required to report this to the police. It's 3 counts assault and battery and at least 2 counts of Dangerous Driving, possibly a count of Intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
It can be stretched to attempted murder from the choking and Predatory driving.
These combined would make the driver and (if the driver didn't do the choking) the other person have a maximum penatly of 25 years in prison, and the minimum possible outcome would be big fines, a loss of license for 12 months, possible weekend detention, court-ordered anger management and the impounding of the offenders car.
This is the kind of shit you report and expect the police to actually look at. This isn't America, we don't have enough gun crime to make unarmed assault and dangerous driving an ignorable offence.
So is the misuse of the term "victim blaming."TheBelgianGuy said:
That's because you lack pride and principle.JoesshittyOs said:
Which doesn't excuse trying to escalate the situation or trying to accelerate to go around when the brakes were a safer option.Saltyk said:
Nor does this make him in the right. Simply thinking he's also in the wrong does not mean people cannot read.
He did say, in his first post:
Yup. Now, about reading comprehension....
So, to recap:
When the car sped up, endangering his life, his response was to endanger more lives in the oncoming lane. After he passed them, instead of getting away from them, he stopped to chew them out, an action likely to allow them to overtake him and repeat the process, or cause a confrontation.
Yeah, I can see why you don't blame him for anything. Endangering lives is only wrong in one of the two situations, and deliberately confronting people is a victimless act.
But asking someone to consider the consequences of their actions is clearly victim blaming.reonhato said:
In the US, there is no such law. There are speed minimums on most interstates and some turnpikes, but it is not a universal law. Of course, any state I know would have prohibited passing in the circumstances he later described as illegal in the first place, but that's another story (and probably also victim blaming, somehow....>.>)Rastien said:
Nice one, Dr. Freud. Yet again you have guessed my true intentions trough internet psychoanalysis.RazadaMk2 said:
Why the 'eff would I ever want to be a cop? Low pay, terrible hours, people being ungrateful for my actions, etc. In fact, in my country suicide among the police force is sky-high.
The irony in your post is appalling.
Shooting back in self defense is not considered illegal.madster11 said:
Kinda kills the argument right there.
Speeding because someone else is speeding, further endangering lives, is not even in the same ballpark.
My advice comes threefold.
1) Don't pick fights you can't win.
2) If you do, don't be upset when you get clobbered.
3) Always remember that you're not that important.
1) Don't pick fights you can't win.
2) If you do, don't be upset when you get clobbered.
3) Always remember that you're not that important.
Dude how the fuck is this victim blaming?TheBelgianGuy said:
Would you wear a lady gaga meat suit in a frozen wasteland populated by hungry wolves and honestly expect it to turn out okay?
This isn't "Herpaderp, gurl got raped she was probably asking for it." silly.
I know how you feel, Australian police are f***ing lazy. They won't investigate anything they can't just 'she'll be right'. Did you have visible injuries? Did you have evidence of being attacked? Bruising?
Even without, it's still pitiful that they didn't follow up a number plate AND car model, how easy does it get.
EDIT: A note on self defence though, don't take on a group of dickheads without some kind of weapon...your car keys will do, have the key protrude through the knuckle of your closed fist. Really though I would've driven off before they got that close.
Even without, it's still pitiful that they didn't follow up a number plate AND car model, how easy does it get.
EDIT: A note on self defence though, don't take on a group of dickheads without some kind of weapon...your car keys will do, have the key protrude through the knuckle of your closed fist. Really though I would've driven off before they got that close.
