The Ratings War III: Republic of Heaven (Second Round Finals)

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Mookie_Magnus

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Dastardos said:
Awww UltraJoe you make me feel so loved. :D
I'd love to get started for the fact that I have no school this week and they are talking about canceling school next week, due to the swine flu.

I'd love to work on my post during my time out of school.
Lucky... We're still having school in my city. Almost all of the school districts around us are out until May 11th, but we're still in. Which is surprising because I live like 200 miles farther south than you do. As far as I know anyway, I'm hoping that an announcement is on the news tomorrow morning or something.

But yeah, I can't wait to go up against Toughie. We shall see who the better swordsman is, eh Sargent?
 

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I think UltraJoe's plan would work well (the bit with the losers of the semis coming back especially as that seems to deal with the three-way final nicely).

Alternatively, we could have Sorrow (as God) lean down out of the clouds and say "So and so is back in this" if the finals get hairy (like if all three are evil/good), bringing some balance back to the Force and fixing our uneven number of finalists.

Another possibility is to have a random neutral come in and fight all three of the finalists one on one, and the two who get the best rating go to the finals. Possibly the neutral would have to win all three matches so that the finalists have to switch their writing style up (writing how a character loses a fight is much harder than writing how they won the same fight, at least in my experience).

Thoughts?
 

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I like Khedive's plan of having a set list of arena's and Sorrow being able to say "Dastardos and Wesdabigman you are on world 4"

I also agree with Khedive's idea of during the preliminaries have it fought in three sections, ext. ext.

I'll try and brain storm something about the extra player, and if I come up with anything I'll throw it out here.

Like I said I have this whole week and possibly next week out of school, due to Swine Flu, and if there is anything I can do to help I'd love to due it.
 

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RagnorakTres said:
I think UltraJoe's plan would work well (the bit with the losers of the semis coming back especially as that seems to deal with the three-way final nicely).

Alternatively, we could have Sorrow (as God) lean down out of the clouds and say "So and so is back in this" if the finals get hairy (like if all three are evil/good), bringing some balance back to the Force and fixing our uneven number of finalists.

Another possibility is to have a random neutral come in and fight all three of the finalists one on one, and the two who get the best rating go to the finals. Possibly the neutral would have to win all three matches so that the finalists have to switch their writing style up (writing how a character loses a fight is much harder than writing how they won the same fight, at least in my experience).

Thoughts?
While the ideas are awesome, the basis of ratings war is that the only thing that determines winners is writing ability. When your 'alliegence' to good or evil can determine your advancement, you lose the integrity that made this awesome to play. As well as that, writing challenges like a neutral player for everyone take the conflict out of the war, the M out of an MMO, if you will.

That said, challenges within the head to head battles (Death-race, first to point [X]) might be fun if we could test the effect before throwing them into the real deal. With Sorrow's permission, I'll make a second thread later for matches like these where the defeated can help me find out what does and doesn't work in the way of alternate battle/arena styles. Consider it the fight to escape death, a secondary tournament for the right to live. We'll try for a few different things and challenges can happen if both players agree. Only eligible to defeated players, not quitters or people who have proper duties to attend here in RW3... a way to pass the time, because idleness is the one true hell.

In terms of arenas, and Khedive's 'Word Bank', perhaps each player could PM him (or me, if sorrow's net is still bunked) an idea for an arena. Sorrow can cut out the shit and then assign the battles to the matches as he sees fit, making for a much more customized experience, and the ability to shake your fist at the sky and say "Damn You Labyrinth, And Your Unholy, Nasty Labyrinth!". Never an overrated activity. Once again, at sorrow's discretion.

Any thoughts make for an imporved RW, spill your mind before us.

Dastardos said:
I'll try and brain storm something about the extra player, and if I come up with anything I'll throw it out here.
I already have a Soluition. At the end of round 3 we will have three defeated players. I say we make them have a last chance fight to be the fourth member of the final pre-grand-whammy round.

So we go: 12 matches, 6 matches, 3 matches, 1 last-chancer match, 2 semi-finals, FINAL
 

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Khedive Rex said:
Also, because we have 24 fighters the finals is going to be fucked unless we get clever. It reduces to three instead of two so we may well have a three-way finale (Just like RW1 ... we should try to avoid that. Ultrajoe and Armitage will remember how cumbersome three-way fights are to write).
Way ahead of you, Rex my boy, we solve the problem in true RW tradition:

With More Fighting. See my above post for the solution.
Anything to finagle a few more revenge brawls into this thing. Your plan has my support.

RagnorakTres said:
I think UltraJoe's plan would work well (the bit with the losers of the semis coming back especially as that seems to deal with the three-way final nicely).

Alternatively, we could have Sorrow (as God) lean down out of the clouds and say "So and so is back in this" if the finals get hairy (like if all three are evil/good), bringing some balance back to the Force and fixing our uneven number of finalists.

Another possibility is to have a random neutral come in and fight all three of the finalists one on one, and the two who get the best rating go to the finals. Possibly the neutral would have to win all three matches so that the finalists have to switch their writing style up (writing how a character loses a fight is much harder than writing how they won the same fight, at least in my experience).

Thoughts?
I think Ultrajoe's plan is easier to implement and more fair. I don't really know who we would bring in as a neutral who could reliably compete against our defacto finalists and having Sorrow arbitrarily pick someone to come back is ... well, unfair. As for mandating that a player lose a fight, it's an interesting idea but I would hesitate to put too many stylistic criteria on the players. Losing a fight tends to be a bigger moment than winning it and (for those planning to lose in the actual finale) it might spoil the shock.
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On another note entirely, if we're having a tournament bracket for all to see, are we going to have March-Madness-style tournament predictions? Should I be preparing my bracket?

Hell, put a little money on it and we can probably get people who aren't even playing to start betting.

(...I might be joking. I'll decide in the morning.)
 

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Khedive, with this bracket what are the odds on Dastardos winning?
I'm trying to decide how much to put on him
 

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Wow...I feel like a moron now...at least I can learn from my mistakes.
Khedive Rex said:
I think Ultrajoe's plan is easier to implement and more fair.
Yeah, I can see that now. Forcing a player in or out of a battle probably isn't the best plan...*sheepish grimace* and UltraJoe's plan gives the three who weren't quite as good as their opponents but might be better than one of the actual finalists a "last stand" type deal. I retract my earlier suggestions and throw whatever weight I may have on this thread wholeheartedly behind UltraJoe's plan.
 

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And to remind people that there is a fight going on, I throw in that you should expect my entry today. And now, back to Drane.
Cesspools
Or
What Is So Wrong About Me?​

Why do all the little people run in terror? Why do all the scum and vermin and hypocrites and merchants of temptation run from me? Do they not realise that they themselves are far more frightening than I?

Terrence Guthy is the kind of name that invokes a middle class man, with slicked back hair and a briefcase, speaking in a voice slightly higher pitched than usual.

However, if you asked any of the folks in the same estate as him, the name Terrence Guthy invokes only one word.

Fear.

Terrence Guthy is a drug dealer, pimp, and all round nasty piece of work. If you added together the number of people he himself has killed, or had killed by a member of his 'Anonymous Profit Organization' with the number of people left with their lives ruined by him, you'd have a number in the area of 126.

Incidentally, that was the number of his apartment.

Located on the 12[sup]th[/sup] floor of an apartment block, that itself was located on the mid west side of the city.

During the day, he would feed his cats, swear at his wife, maintain a semblance of normalcy so that if the police came knocking, as they inevitably would from time to time, he could pretend to be surprised that they were there, show them round his home, prove to them there were no illicit substances stashed between the kitchen tiles, and send them on their way.

Then he would snort the substances in between the kitchen tiles and collapse on the couch.

It was in this state that he saw a man appear out of thin air and collapse on his carpet.

"I'm definitely going to be speaking to my suppliers in South America about this..."

In an alley leading onto a colourfully lit main street...

A dog whined in the shadows. A man carrying a woman on his shoulder, who giggled at his drunken jokes exactly the way she was paid to. And Garth Calierie closed up his stall, pushing the last of the unsold merchandise into an unmarked bag.

Garth had come to the city with big dreams. He had achieved a few of them. Get a job, check. Buy an apartment, check. Pay rent on the apartment for more than a month, check. The rest were shadows, mocking him from their havens in his mind. Make money, no. Sleep with a woman he didn't pay for, no. Move out of Terrence Guthy?s neighbourhood, double no.

Garth lived under the crime lord, as everyone in this block did. You either worked for him, with him, or you stayed the hell out of his business and didn't meddle. However, those that stayed out were often pulled in, and those who resisted were often found dead in their homes. Just another day on this estate.

He picked up his bag, sighed, and walked out of the alley.

The dog turned its face, and a bat like snout and ears dispelled all notions that this was any ordinary Labrador.

Drane had never gone to any place like this in his previous stage of existence. Firstly, he would never have been allowed to, and secondly, he would never have wanted to. Being a man of god after all, why would he ever visit a place such as this, a place so heavy with the sin of its inhabitants? They would all need to be redeemed.

Terrence was not fond of having strangers in his place of living. They tended to sell any information they got to the police, and that would kick off another visit. So when people materialised above his carpet, as they rarely did, he was immediately suspicious.
"What the fuck are you doing?"
Emanuel rose, dusted himself off, and stared at the gun.
"Um... Visiting your delightful abode?"
He couldn't help it; sarcastic comments were in his nature.
"You think you can barge in here, then insult my home and get away with it? Is that your game? Well, that idea can fuck off back to where it came from."
The safety was flicked off. Terrence really did not like having strangers in his apartment.
"Now, I think you're mistaken. See, I never barged in here. Merely materialized. Big difference."
He really did have to stop, but the man was clearly off his head, and toying with men off their heads was too much fun.

Garth's day had never been that good. He hadn't sold that much merchandise, the whores had all been too expensive, and now there was a monster sitting on his chest, babbling about the lord.
"You sinners, you fiends from a dark pit! Have you no decency? No common self respect? I am..."
Fiends from a dark pit? He was one to talk.
"...light of the lord shall purge you all! Your fiendish wickedness will perish while your souls are dragged into the deepest abyss..."
"Hey, uh, sorry to bother you, but as an Atheist, this doesn't apply to me."
For the first time, it actually seemed to focus on him.
And he didn't like that.
"You are even worse? You are one who decries the lord, one who lives with no morality, with no restraint? You will have special treatment."
The way he said it implied this was not a prize.
"Don't worry. I shall make sure you quit your sins before my hour with you is passed."

BANG.

The sound ricocheted around the apartment as if the bullet had missed.
But the bullet hadn't missed. Red flowers bloomed in a blue garden striped with white.

Terrence Guthy fell.

A smoking gun, in the hand of his wife.

A confused stranger, wearing out of place clothing and carrying a sword at his hip.

A black shape at the window.

Shards of glass on the floor.

The wife, still with the gun in her hand, with her back to Emanuel now.

A monster, with its arms around her.

A spurt of blood against the wall.

Two corpses, two living.

There was no forgetting the figure that Emanuel saw. This was almost certainly his opponent. And he couldn't think of a witty one liner.
Odd, for him.

Drane recognised this man. He must be his opponent, his stepping stone on the path to godhood. His obstacle to be removed. His enemy. And any enemy of his must be an enemy of the lord. And any enemy of the lord must be purged.

Emanuel drew his rapier. Drane flexed his claws.

"How about a sporting duel? Best of three?"
"A single fight. Loser dies."
"I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that."
"Sinners don't get to dictate the rules."

A lunge from Drane both started the fight proper, and silenced any rebuttal from Emanuel. Claw met rapier. Rapier slid off claw. The combatants retreated. Emanuel stabbed at Drane's chest. Drane grabbed his arm, digging his claws in.
Red flowers bloomed once again. Emanuel grimaced, and then stabbed Drane in the arm with his dagger.

A howl from an anonymous apartment.

A dark shape fleeing from the window.

A strange figure holding his arm staring from the enclave of brightness down into the darkness below.

An arm descending from the patch of darkness above the window.

A man in strange clothes falling twelve floors down.

Eleven.
Shit. Shit. Shit. The beast had dropped him! Grabbed him then hurled him down. And his arm still hurt.
Ten.
He could still turn this around. The fight wasn't over until he was incapacitated or dead.
Nine.
Unfortunately for him, death seemed to be the likely outcome.
Eight.
Shit.
Seven.
Maybe if he grabbed onto the windowsills...
Six.
Didn?t work. And now his other arm hurt.
Five.
He had never imagined going out like this.
Four.
He had imagined that he might forfeit a duel or something.
Three.
Then maybe his opponent would take his life in payment.
Two.
Wait! Forfeit! That?s it! He would lose the fight, but keep his life.
One.
"I hereby forfeit my fight!"
Zero.


Drane heard a distinct lack of crunching noises. He assumed he must have been too high up. However, he did hear a voice in his head.
"Drane wins by forfeit!"
Wait, what?
Not as long as some. Any thoughts, criticism, or compliments are welcome. Indeed, I would ask you for them.
 

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Ultrajoe said:
Ultrajoe: Evil
Lord Krunk: Axle and Lady Athena
I feel honoured. You really think I'm good enough?

As for the match itself, I am going to have a lot of fun with it. That is, if your plan actually comes into fruition. However, this will mean that I need to ask you Evil's real name, because it's integral to my plan (I have plans and dot-points set up for every possible opponent, you see).

With regards to Ultrajoe and Khedive Rex's suggestions, I'm all for it; however we'll want to structure the rounds so that every two people have their turn rather than having a confusing clusterfuck on a single page a day before the deadline. It also gives the judges the ability to judge better and more efficiently.

I am very much in favour of Khedive's 'World 1,2,3 etc.' set-up, but I ask that if this were to happen, could we use more detail this time. One of my main problems in RW2 was the lack of detail in the landscapes, especially when a character like The Lyre relied on the environment to survive.

UItimately, I am very happy with the competition and output at the moment, and would love it if I could get writing myself in the near future.
 

Ultrajoe

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Bling Cat said:
Not as long as some. Any thoughts, criticism, or compliments are welcome. Indeed, I would ask you for them.
Bling, I can't say I enjoyed it. Usually there are bits I like in any story, but the problem here is that I didn't catch on to any story. For example, we have no acknowledgment of the tournament, the origin of the setting or how the characters arrive (wait, one materializes, I just re-read it). There's no lead-in or character motivations, no explanations as to the motives or feelings of the two characters. I felt I knew the throwaway villain character better than I did the two combatants.

Suggestions? For a start, this is a story about one persons victory. What's Drane here for, Godhood? Why is he looking to be almighty? Is he a coward, a lion or something different? I have no attachment to the proceedings, I don't care about these characters, so the moments of drama are trying to ignite fuel that you never put into me. The formatting could be a bit better, your paragraphs jump back and forth suddenly and often without sufficient introduction, which means instead of two distinct viewpoints I'm getting one jumbled one.

What's at stake here? Does Drane fear death or feel mercy? These are things we need to know. If you re-wrote this (you can't for judging purposes, but for personal indulgence afterwards), I would suggest you split the two storylines into separate, large chunks to let the characters build uninterrupted. The core of your problem is that you aren't conveying what you see inside your mind to us here on the page. You may see an epic moment of one man tumbling from the window, but we here on the internet haven't got a clue what just happened and are skipping over it to get to the information.

In short; it's short.

It needs to be longer, more substantial and to be frank the style could use some work. I don't say this to discourage, because these are things you can fix for yourself with great ease. PM me for my 50 second primer or i'll just give you my MSN and we'll work over things one-on-one. Your imagination is there, but it's trying to build pyramids with childrens toy-shovels. When we put some heavy machinery into your grip, we might see some monoliths rise out of the desert.
 

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Wow, having a large scale RW is turning out to be more of a debating contest than a writing contest. I'll leave it to Ultrajoe and Khedive to figure it out and simply worry about writing my stories.

I'm stretching out my writing styles, and according to my mentor (required for massive English project) I've already gotten way better at story writing as a whole. I'm dieing to show off my new found talents.
 

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My deadline is tomorrow, right?

I'll have it finished by then. I'm about three-quarters of the way done, I know what the rest is going to be, and I just have to write it.
 

Ultrajoe

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SargentToughie said:
Wow, having a large scale RW is turning out to be more of a debating contest than a writing contest. I'll leave it to Ultrajoe and Khedive to figure it out and simply worry about writing my stories.

I'm stretching out my writing styles, and according to my mentor (required for massive English project) I've already gotten way better at story writing as a whole. I'm dieing to show off my new found talents.
I have to agree with him Toughie, you've come a long way. To be clear, we're not debating... more churning out ideas en masse to improve the game.

To All: Please check the proposed match listings. Unless you speak up now you might find yourself up against people you do not wish to face, or not facing the people you do wish to go head-to-head with. Once the game starts, the system ought to never change (that's kind of the point), so speak up now or forever nurse your wounds. They are in post# 193 of this thread, inside a spoiler.

Further Ideas: Concern has been raised to the effect of 'We know our matches in advance!'. This is not entirely true. As with RW2, knowing that your story against [opponent X] is due in three weeks does give you an advantage... over people you aren't facing. You will never, under this system, have more time for writing than your opponents. You might have a few more weeks than the people in match 1, but that means bollocks when your opponent has also been powering up Dragonball Z style for 5 weeks.

You know your possible opponents, sure, but I declare this a good thing. You can set up plot, style and motifs to take advantage of your upcoming matches and create a cohesive narrative for your characters. There's still risk involved, you may not face who you expected to fight, but you never get the feeling that you're twiddling your thumbs.

If you've spotted the one flaw in the system, that some people will know their opponents earlier than others.

Round 1: Three Matches (Further suggestion: One angelic, one demonic, one indetermininate arena per round?)

[A] V
[C] V [D]
[E] V [F]

A/B finishes before the others, because they're happening cats, and thus C/D know their next fight and can add in little extra bits to set up their stunning victory. Unfair? yes. Therefore I suggest we only announce winners at the end of a round.

This means, however, that the opponents for the winner of E/F (First line in the next round) all know their opponent! I know it crowds things, but I say we go to 4 matches per round, three prelim rounds.

To that effect, I say each round can have a 2 week deadline. 6 weeks for 24 players is not shabby at all, and if you can't do it in 2 weeks then you're simply booted. A bit of leeway for the first round, but round 3'ers have had 6 weeks of knowing their opponent and arena. If you can't write a half-decent story in that time then you need to die. Hard.

So we get:

Round 1: [A]V,[C]V[D],[E]V[F],[G]V[H]. 2 weeks from announce date is the deadline, perhaps a few days over, but I suggest it be penalized.
Round 2: V[J],[K]V[L],[M]V[N],[O]V[P]. 4 weeks from aanounce date deadline. No exceptions, if you're going to be away for the deadline then post it early or email it so someone who can.
Round 3: [Q]V[R],V[T],V[V,[W]V[X]. 6 weeks from announce date deadline. Once again, no excuses guys, you've known your fight for longer than it takes for me to run from queensland to Wollongong and tackle LaCoil. (For you foreigners... a long way)

Should someone fail to meet a deadline: The opponent must still post their story, or else they're no better than the quitter.
Should someone quit the game: Opponent still needs to post, and I suggest some other form of penalization, perhaps exculsion from RW4. You made a commitment, people, we're making it very easy for you to meet it. Please don't insult and betray us with your apathy.


When you get your net back Sorrow I'll get you on MSN and we'll go over these.
 

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Crowghast said:
This is all very deliciously confusing, but let's roll with what Ultrajoe says.
To simplify the entire process:

Terms:

Round: A set of matches, with a deadline. Nobody other than the people in that round may post battles.
Match: One fight, consisting of the stories from both participants

Proceedings:

Primary Preliminary: Everyone is told their opponents at the start. Every two weeks 4 matches will need to be posted, and the results announced at the same time. When 6 weeks are up, and the three rounds complete, we move onto to second preliminary. Alternatively, we can run it over 4 weeks, with round one having 2 weeks and rounds two and three having 1 (In fact, they get 3 and 4 weeks respectively (you can be writing in down-time! You know your matches!))

Second Preliminary: Everyone knows their fights at the start. This will consist of three rounds of two matches (neccesary to keep unfair advantage out of the picture).

1st Semi Final: Three matches, two week deadline, with a few days leeway.

Last-Chancers round: Losers of the first Semi-Finals have a three-way dogfight for the right at a second chance. One week deadline, to put the pressure on.

Second Semi Final: Two matches, Two Weeks.

Final: One match, Two Weeks. Deadline is final, I suggest we do not hesisitate to crown god by default, because someone was slack.

SargentToughie said:
You could say that about every escapist war that has broken out to date.
I'm just naturally good at organising chaos. Because if you're going to be impulsive and spontaneous, it helps to plan.
 

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Ultrajoe said:
Crowghast said:
This is all very deliciously confusing, but let's roll with what Ultrajoe says.
To simplify the entire process:

Terms:

Round: A set of matches, with a deadline. Nobody other than the people in that round may post battles in rounds other than their own.
Match: One fight, consisting of the stories from both participants

Proceedings:

Primary Preliminary: Everyone is told their opponents at the start. Every two weeks 4 matches will need to be posted, and the results announced at the same time. When 6 weeks are up, and the three rounds complete, we move onto to second preliminary. Alternatively, we can run it over 4 weeks, with round one having 2 weeks and rounds two and three having 1 (In fact, they get 3 and 4 weeks respectively (you can be writing in down-time! You know your matches!))

Second Preliminary: Everyone knows their fights at the start. This will consist of three rounds of two matches (neccesary to keep unfair advantage out of the picture).

1st Semi Final: Three matches, two week deadline, with a few days leeway.

Last-Chancers round: Losers of the first Semi-Finals have a three-way dogfight for the right at a second chance. One week deadline, to put the pressure on.

Second Semi Final: Two matches, Two Weeks.

Final: One match, Two Weeks. Deadline is final, I suggest we do not hesisitate to crown god by default, because someone was slack.

SargentToughie said:
You could say that about every escapist war that has broken out to date.
I'm just naturally good at organising chaos. Because if you're going to be impulsive and spontaneous, it helps to plan.
The layman is satisfied, now I don't have to read all the other stuff that was written.

Anyway, I think this system is most effective for the numbers we have. And the final match especially, a potential God is never late nor is he early. He comes exactly when he means to.

All in favor of putting this into effect, say 'Aye'.
 

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Crowghast said:
Ultrajoe said:
The layman is satisfied, now I don't have to read all the other stuff that was written.

Anyway, I think this system is most effective for the numbers we have. And the final match especially, a potential God is never late nor is he early. He comes exactly when he means to.

All in favor of putting this into effect, say 'Aye'.
Aye! Aye! A thousand times Aye!