The real problem with sexism

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Phasmal

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Lieju said:
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I have had women ask me for help more times than I can count for things they could really do themselves but are just to lazy to do. I have also noticed that women always get preference on relaxing jobs. I used to work in as a IT assistant and the second any physical labor came up and a woman didn't want to do it I would have to drop my job to go do hers and 90% of the time it wasn't cause it was to heavy they just didn't want to and would claim it is to difficult without even attempting.
And I'm a woman and there have been many times when a guy has had trouble with some physical work, and declined my help. Or worse, pushed in and taken over because I'm a frail woman.
I might not be as strong as most guys, but I can do that stuff, or at least help.

But there are guys who will treat me equally, too.
Oh god I hate it when people do that.
I had a guy who used to be a friend constantly try and take my shopping bag off of me when we were walking down the street together.
The bag had a can of coke and some gum in it.
And then I got the `OH I'M JUST TRYING TO BE NICE, YOU WOMEN CAN'T MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.`
Because, you know, we're all the same person.
Needless to say, I don't talk to that dude any more.

OT: Yes, women hide behind the `female label`.
So do men.
People in general are lazy and will use any excuse they can. Doesn't mean it's okay, doesn't mean sexism isn't a problem.
 

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Lieju said:
aba1 said:
I have had women ask me for help more times than I can count for things they could really do themselves but are just to lazy to do. I have also noticed that women always get preference on relaxing jobs. I used to work in as a IT assistant and the second any physical labor came up and a woman didn't want to do it I would have to drop my job to go do hers and 90% of the time it wasn't cause it was to heavy they just didn't want to and would claim it is to difficult without even attempting.
And I'm a woman and there have been many times when a guy has had trouble with some physical work, and declined my help. Or worse, pushed in and taken over because I'm a frail woman.
I might not be as strong as most guys, but I can do that stuff, or at least help.

But there are guys who will treat me equally, too.
Well if they decline your help that is their call and their loss though people just pushing in and taking over is just plain rude. What I was talking about before was of course not all women I mean that would be down right sexist I was just commenting on the abundance in this attitude. But ya like you said this is some women not all just like your issues are some guys not all.
 

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Phasmal said:
Oh god I hate it when people do that.
I had a guy who used to be a friend constantly try and take my shopping bag off of me when we were walking down the street together.
The bag had a can of coke and some gum in it.
And then I got the `OH I'M JUST TRYING TO BE NICE, YOU WOMEN CAN'T MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.`
Because, you know, we're all the same person.
Needless to say, I don't talk to that dude any more.
You mean he just tried to take it, assuming it as too heavy? As opposed to just asking?

Obviously if it had a can of coke and gum it'd still be odd, but at least it'd just be polite.
 

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Legion said:
You mean he just tried to take it, assuming it as too heavy? As opposed to just asking?

Obviously if it had a can of coke and gum it'd still be odd, but at least it'd just be polite.
Yep, tried to take it away from me. I don't think he thought it was heavy.
I was polite at first but when he tried another two times it just irritated me.
This guy did have a bit of a thing for me at one time and I reckon he was just trying to be 'chivalrous', but it was just a bit ridiculous to me.
 

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Phasmal said:
Legion said:
You mean he just tried to take it, assuming it as too heavy? As opposed to just asking?

Obviously if it had a can of coke and gum it'd still be odd, but at least it'd just be polite.
Yep, tried to take it away from me. I don't think he thought it was heavy.
I was polite at first but when he tried another two times it just irritated me.
This guy did have a bit of a thing for me at one time and I reckon he was just trying to be 'chivalrous', but it was just a bit ridiculous to me.
Strange, strange people. Then again, it shows their mindset. They weren't looking at you as a person in the "real" sense, because they were treating you as somebody incapable of thinking for themselves.
 

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Chemical Alia said:
barbzilla said:
I had a female friend who was "discussing" equality in battle with me at a bar when a fight broke out, telling me how women are just as capable fighters are men. A short hour later a fight broke out in the bar (the fight had nothing to do with us, and was unlikely to effect us at all) and her first reaction is to hide behind me.

Now I have no problems with a woman hiding behind me, but it makes her previous point seem invalid. If someone is going to have a conviction, they need to stand behind it. This is similar to someone harping on recycling and the fact that not enough people recycle their plastics that end up in landfills, then five minutes later you see them throw their soda bottle into a trash can. It is hypocrisy and you know it.
Why? Was she saying that she herself wanted to fight on the front lines, or felt that she could? Just because she wants women to be given the same opportunity to, doesn't mean that she wants it for herself.
Her statement was that women were just as capable in combat as men. Given that at that point neither of us had any combat training or experience we should be equally able to defend ourselves (from her statement), yet she hides behind me because I am a man. We weren't that different size wise, so you can't go with the usual statement that men are larger and therefor better suited to combat.

I understand why she did it, I am not a dunce, but by her doing it she shows the hypocrisy inherent in such statements. I think we need to embrace our differences and get over this whole rigid equality thing. I think we should be treated as equals, I don't think we should ignore our own personal strengths and weaknesses. I think women would make better snipers as they are more limber and tend to be smaller, this means they can get themselves into tighter places and stay there for longer periods. Meanwhile in a fist fight men are better suited due to size and strength differences. This doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rule, but that is kind of the point isn't it? Some people are better suited to other jobs, stop making generalizations on both sides of the fence.

Edit quick aside, I'm sending you a PM about your job, if you get a chance check it out.
 

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Welcome. As others have said though, this topic has been done to death and I'm pretty sure I've read your example about 5 times at least.

I'm pretty sure people ask you to grab stuff from up high because you're tall. I'm sure if there was a 7 foot woman in your office they'd ask her.
 

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Again? Most people are hypocrites, some are hypocrites about gender equality. This does not make striving for gender equality wrong and sexism applies to both guys and girls. I keep seeing guys claim that girls "want equal rights but cry sexism if a girl gets punched" and while that's certainly true for some most people I know agree that either you shouldn't be punching people in the first place unless its in self defense or its fine to hit a girl if its a situation where you would have hit a guy (ie she deserved it)
As for the whole asking you to get something off the top shelf thing...are you sure that's even a gender issue? I don't see why it would be. If you are taller than them it makes sense for them to ask you to get it if they have trouble reaching it. It has nothing to do with you being a guy and them being a girl. I often get stuff off the top shelf for a girl I work with (I'm also a girl) because she is quite short and its difficult for her to get it. I think your trying to make them sound hypocritical and twisting the situation to fit that.
 

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I don't really see how this is "The real problem with sexism" but overall I agree with you that when it comes to gender, there's a lot of double standards at play.

Bara_no_Hime said:
Well, that's a sticker issue. Men often find punching one another to be an agreeable way to resolve differences. However, because women are physically weaker on average than men, punching has often been used as an intimidation technique by men because the women in question can't punch back effectively.

IE: Wife beating or *****-slapping.

Two guys beating on one another - that's their choice. "Mutual Combat" to use the recent super hero video as an example.

A one-way beating of a stronger person on a weaker person - that's assault. It's intimidation. And that's why it isn't acceptable. It would be just as bad as if the man in question was beating a male child. It's about someone bigger beating up someone smaller.

And yes, it is possible that the woman has martial arts training and can fight someone twice her size, but let's be realistic - that's very rare. If a man and a woman agree to a fist-fight - to mutual combat - then that's fine. Beating women - or anyone weaker than you - is disgusting and criminal.
Why are you automatically assuming that this is simply about beating someone? The OP clearly stated that that was wrong and that you shouldn't do it. That's not what this is about. It's not about who is physically stronger or weaker. If a woman punches me, then I have every right to punch her back. It doens't matter if she's physcally weaker than me or whether she can actually hurt me. It's about principle.
 

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As for your thread. Yes, we get talks on double standards quite often, but we try to not generalise because not everyone is a hypocrite. But ofcourse, some people are stupid.
 

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Legion said:
Phasmal said:
Legion said:
You mean he just tried to take it, assuming it as too heavy? As opposed to just asking?

Obviously if it had a can of coke and gum it'd still be odd, but at least it'd just be polite.
Yep, tried to take it away from me. I don't think he thought it was heavy.
I was polite at first but when he tried another two times it just irritated me.
This guy did have a bit of a thing for me at one time and I reckon he was just trying to be 'chivalrous', but it was just a bit ridiculous to me.
Strange, strange people. Then again, it shows their mindset. They weren't looking at you as a person in the "real" sense, because they were treating you as somebody incapable of thinking for themselves.
This seems to be another big problem. Men in general have this expectation of how they are supposed to act, but they never ask themselves why. If a woman doesn't let a man hold her stuff then they think they are being rejected. It is part of this whole passive aggressive crap that is holding us back as men. I'm willing to bet this is the same kind of guy who would complain about being in the "friend zone". If a guy has an interest in a woman, he needs to make it apparent and not try to win her over by being this "nice guy". Show some backbone (as a man) and actually try to sweep her off her feet. Don't try to be nice and hope you will some how win her over without risking rejection.

I think both men and women respect confidence, and if you don't have confidence in yourself you are basically showing the other person you aren't worthy of dating them. If you don't believe you are worthy of them, then odds are you aren't.

As for guy friends offering to hold their female friends stuff, its fine to ask, but if they say no, then move on and stop trying. They are comfortable holding their stuff, or they are not comfortable letting you hold their stuff. Either way, you aren't holding it for them.
 

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barbzilla said:
Legion said:
Phasmal said:
Legion said:
You mean he just tried to take it, assuming it as too heavy? As opposed to just asking?

Obviously if it had a can of coke and gum it'd still be odd, but at least it'd just be polite.
Yep, tried to take it away from me. I don't think he thought it was heavy.
I was polite at first but when he tried another two times it just irritated me.
This guy did have a bit of a thing for me at one time and I reckon he was just trying to be 'chivalrous', but it was just a bit ridiculous to me.
Strange, strange people. Then again, it shows their mindset. They weren't looking at you as a person in the "real" sense, because they were treating you as somebody incapable of thinking for themselves.
This seems to be another big problem. Men in general have this expectation of how they are supposed to act, but they never ask themselves why. If a woman doesn't let a man hold her stuff then they think they are being rejected. It is part of this whole passive aggressive crap that is holding us back as men. I'm willing to bet this is the same kind of guy who would complain about being in the "friend zone". If a guy has an interest in a woman, he needs to make it apparent and not try to win her over by being this "nice guy". Show some backbone (as a man) and actually try to sweep her off her feet. Don't try to be nice and hope you will some how win her over without risking rejection.

I think both men and women respect confidence, and if you don't have confidence in yourself you are basically showing the other person you aren't worthy of dating them. If you don't believe you are worthy of them, then odds are you aren't.

As for guy friends offering to hold their female friends stuff, its fine to ask, but if they say no, then move on and stop trying. They are comfortable holding their stuff, or they are not comfortable letting you hold their stuff. Either way, you aren't holding it for them.
Indeed.

If you do not have any self belief, then you are basically admitting that you are not worth it. After all, we know ourselves better than anybody else possibly can, so if we we don't believe in ourselves, then why should anybody else?

I was friends with two girls who I used to meet up with every now and then. We usually went clubbing, and I'd offer to by them a drink each when we got there. One of them was the kind of person who had a very strong sense of independence, and so would refuse and insist she can pay for herself.

I didn't take it as rejection, I understood that she preferred paying her own way, and I respected that. I did once politely mention that a friend buying a drink for you is not the same thing as the cliché of a guy in a bar doing it, but I would never presume to pressure them into it or do it anyway. Especially considering how damn expensive drinks are in a bar...
 

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I work with mostly women at the moment in my recent change in position at the service desk at sam's club. (I used know everything about my previous positions at my store.). I generally lift most of the heavy stuff. I do it as a that's something I can do better than them, and to be nice. I'm still a rookie at my job, and I know they all know WAAAAAAYY more about my job at the service desk than I do. I do whatever I can to make myself useful to them.(I'm only 5'4", I'm quite strong for my size as people are usually shocked by my strength.) I want them to want to keep me around as they could probably trip me up and get me fired so fast I wouldn't know what hit me if I ticked one of them off enough. They all like me, and warn me of my mistakes. I want to keep it that way. I'm in there world, and I know it.

I work another guy who started the same position shortly after I did, but he's a brand new hire. I like the guy , as we have alot in common(we usually talk about games, comics movies and other crap.), but he definitely rubs alot of the other people the wrong way as he claims to know it all till he doesn't when they ask him if he wants a hand with something. He's going fall at some point, and none of them are going rush to catch him. Again has nothing do with sexism, it's all attitude.

Not say there isn't a certain amount of sexism around there. They basically have jobs that get assigned based on your gender. If carts has a call off, if you have a pair of balls...guess what you're going outside to push carts. if the floor needs help, guess what ladies you're probably going be the first they ask to fold clothes. (Guys still do that, just secondary to the women. I think because they tend to do a better job than most guys. Especially the older women who are moms.) There's a few girls who have gone outside and helped at different points, but more often than not it's a man's role since it involves alot of heavy lifting. (putting crap in people's cars for them.)

As for the having people reach stuff, I used to have my ex get stuff off high places all time.(I remember having change a light blub and couldn't find her when we first moved into a place...like damn where's the girl with the stilts for legs when I need her. I had to get a chair heh.) She'd regularly get asked that by people at her work since she's 6'3"-6'4". I had a taller lady at work grab something for me I couldn't reach since I had my hands full lifting something and had trouble putting a note on top of it for delievery. In the words of the Rock....."Know your damn role" hehe. Everyone got something they can do better than you.
 

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Undeadpool said:
Well done completely misrepresenting what feminism is (ironically about as bad as most feminazis do). To make a long, complex issue short:

Misrepresenting feminism: WOMEN THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO EVERYTHING MEN DO, EVEN OUTSIDE THEIR BIOLOGICAL LIMITATIONS!! (in this case: muscle mass)

Actual feminism: Women make excellent soldiers (and superior snipers) due to their increased tolerance for muscle pain and discomfort (among other reasons), they should be allowed to join the armed forces.
barbzilla said:
Her statement was that women were just as capable in combat as men. Given that at that point neither of us had any combat training or experience we should be equally able to defend ourselves (from her statement), yet she hides behind me because I am a man. We weren't that different size wise, so you can't go with the usual statement that men are larger and therefor better suited to combat.

I understand why she did it, I am not a dunce, but by her doing it she shows the hypocrisy inherent in such statements. I think we need to embrace our differences and get over this whole rigid equality thing. I think we should be treated as equals, I don't think we should ignore our own personal strengths and weaknesses. I think women would make better snipers as they are more limber and tend to be smaller, this means they can get themselves into tighter places and stay there for longer periods. Meanwhile in a fist fight men are better suited due to size and strength differences. This doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rule, but that is kind of the point isn't it? Some people are better suited to other jobs, stop making generalizations on both sides of the fence.
Oh god guys, you're killing me here. Seriously, do you do stand up? Please let me know when the first intergender boxing matches or MMA fights will occur; would pay money to see that.
 

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Lieju said:
And I'm a woman and there have been many times when a guy has had trouble with some physical work, and declined my help. Or worse, pushed in and taken over because I'm a frail woman.
I might not be as strong as most guys, but I can do that stuff, or at least help.

But there are guys who will treat me equally, too.
I understand your frustration with that, but sometimes guys will refuse help because "society" has drilled into us that "manly men" don't need help etc.

I always take help where I can with something I have trouble with, but some guys have trouble asking for an accepting help. To some people, gender based roles still exist, which in my opinion is stupid. Just like with some stupid people, certain jobs etc are expected of women even though men could do it as well.

I'm not the best at wording this stuff, but I think you get the idea :)
 

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DevilWithaHalo said:
Undeadpool said:
Well done completely misrepresenting what feminism is (ironically about as bad as most feminazis do). To make a long, complex issue short:

Misrepresenting feminism: WOMEN THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO EVERYTHING MEN DO, EVEN OUTSIDE THEIR BIOLOGICAL LIMITATIONS!! (in this case: muscle mass)

Actual feminism: Women make excellent soldiers (and superior snipers) due to their increased tolerance for muscle pain and discomfort (among other reasons), they should be allowed to join the armed forces.
barbzilla said:
Her statement was that women were just as capable in combat as men. Given that at that point neither of us had any combat training or experience we should be equally able to defend ourselves (from her statement), yet she hides behind me because I am a man. We weren't that different size wise, so you can't go with the usual statement that men are larger and therefor better suited to combat.

I understand why she did it, I am not a dunce, but by her doing it she shows the hypocrisy inherent in such statements. I think we need to embrace our differences and get over this whole rigid equality thing. I think we should be treated as equals, I don't think we should ignore our own personal strengths and weaknesses. I think women would make better snipers as they are more limber and tend to be smaller, this means they can get themselves into tighter places and stay there for longer periods. Meanwhile in a fist fight men are better suited due to size and strength differences. This doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rule, but that is kind of the point isn't it? Some people are better suited to other jobs, stop making generalizations on both sides of the fence.
Oh god guys, you're killing me here. Seriously, do you do stand up? Please let me know when the first intergender boxing matches or MMA fights will occur; would pay money to see that.
If you look to the second part of my post, you will see that I do understand why this is. I was simply stating that if you want people to take you seriously you can't make generalizations like she did. Any time you deal in absolutes you will inevitably contradict yourself at some point. There is an all-gender fighting competition, as a matter of fact one was held in Texas back in April or March. There were not many women 25 if memory serves to the hundreds of guys, but they are out there. Once again, don't make generalizations, as they come back to bite you on the behind.

P.S. I do actually do Stand Up, I am not a professional though. I am only doing open mic nights currently, I do hope to become a famous comedian though.
 

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Legion said:
Indeed.

If you do not have any self belief, then you are basically admitting that you are not worth it. After all, we know ourselves better than anybody else possibly can, so if we we don't believe in ourselves, then why should anybody else?

I was friends with two girls who I used to meet up with every now and then. We usually went clubbing, and I'd offer to by them a drink each when we got there. One of them was the kind of person who had a very strong sense of independence, and so would refuse and insist she can pay for herself.

I didn't take it as rejection, I understood that she preferred paying her own way, and I respected that. I did once politely mention that a friend buying a drink for you is not the same thing as the cliché of a guy in a bar doing it, but I would never presume to pressure them into it or do it anyway. Especially considering how damn expensive drinks are in a bar...
Believe it or not, I got my first girlfriend to pay for our first date. When I asked her out I told her it would have to be sometime the following week, as I didn't get paid until then and I had other financial obligations that took priority. Well she had so much fun with me when we met, that she didn't want to wait that long. So I offered for her to come over to my place and I would cook for her, she declined as we had just met and she didn't want to come over to someone's house that soon. So I told her we could break gender roles and she could pay for me. Well we went out (to a rather expensive restaurant I might add) and had a lot of fun. This provided a dilemma for me at first though as I didn't know how to go about this. I didn't want to be an expensive date and seem like I was using her, but I didn't want to insult her by insinuating she ,as a woman, didn't have enough money to provide for me. I eventually took my own advice to women who had similar dilemmas when they were going out with a guy the first time and decided on ordering whatever the hell I wanted. I cost her 84$ that night, and as I said we had a blast. We've been together for a year and a half next month (living together for a year of that), and its been one of the best relationships I have ever had.

The point I am trying to make here, is that the whole gender role thing plays a lot less than we imagine. We should just strive to be ourselves and have fun (unless yourself is a total asshat, then you need to consider changing your ways), and in return we will have a lot more fun in our lives.
 

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"Treat me equally in every way, but remember that I'm still a woman". This is where the confusion is happening. Women seem to swear by that statement, but no matter how you look at it it's the equivalent of dividing by zero. A paradoxical black hole that could make Stephen Hawking get up from his chair, run 100 miles and then jump off a cliff.

In an era of modern technology and comfortable living where innovations have made everything intellect-based and so much easier, it's becoming more and more difficult to define the difference between genders, and those differences are becoming more and more irrelevant. BUT the transition isn't complete, and could possibly never be fully complete. Chemically males and females are still different, wired to think differently from birth**, and generally those differences have always caused an inconvenience for women in 95% of "omg sexism!" cases.
The very word "sexism" has become synonymous with the word "female" despite the fact it's supposed to be implying the same severity to both men and women. I don't even feel like calling it "sexism" anymore, how about calling it "things men do to women"? Or "stuff women yell about a lot"? Sounds far more relevant. Like the past 500 threads on this matter have seen women as the victim/target of sexism, I think we can safely conclude it's a thing that just HAPPENS to females a lot.

And on the topic of wanting "equal treatment", in the past 10,000 years of recorded history there hasn't been a SINGLE culture/society/civilization where women were expected to do exactly the same work as men, take on exactly the same roles, and therefore be treated exactly the same. No such thing exists or has ever existed, and even if such a society did exist it obviously didn't fucking work and they went extinct.

No, the problem with sexism is that women are completely DIVIDED on the matter of just how far "equal treatment" should be pushed. And because of this division of opinion, obviously there will exist some women who switch sides when it's convenient for them, they can use that loophole to dodge work/responsibility. Some idiotic women do this subconciously, without even realizing how they are abusing the loophole. Not all women, only some.

But it still brings up a very real issue in today's world - women should be considered equal, but to what extent? Where is the line drawn? Is it drawn where it's convenient for them? Or is it drawn where it can hurt them? Can the MAJORITY of women come to an agreeable answer? As soon as that happens, we'll have something to work with instead of arguing over all day.
Some really stupid feminists keep bringing up the army and the lack of females in the frontlines, and YET they have the fucking nerve to say "well of course the entry requirements should be lower for women!". Holy crap, that is all I can say.



**In the very womb gender differences start to arise, the different levels of testosterone/oestrogen have a significant impact on the way we think from our very first BREATH. No, society didn't tell that newborn baby boy to go straight for the toy resembling a mechanical digger. Nor did society tell the baby girl to go for the golden-haired doll, she doesn't even know what the hell it is, it simply attracted her curiosity far more than the digger. Many tests with countless babies keep showing this. We are chemically different, our brains are wired different from birth - over time society has done nothing more than strengthen this notion and fine-tune our capibilities into doing what we do best as males and females.


barbzilla said:
I understand why she did it, I am not a dunce, but by her doing it she shows the hypocrisy inherent in such statements. I think we need to embrace our differences and get over this whole rigid equality thing. I think we should be treated as equals, I don't think we should ignore our own personal strengths and weaknesses. I think women would make better snipers as they are more limber and tend to be smaller, this means they can get themselves into tighter places and stay there for longer periods. Meanwhile in a fist fight men are better suited due to size and strength differences. This doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rule, but that is kind of the point isn't it? Some people are better suited to other jobs, stop making generalizations on both sides of the fence.
Video games are great, I know! But they don't show you the part about sniping where you have to carry ~20-25kg of equipment and climb/hike up to 10km+ on foot in hostile areas and difficult terrain. They also don't show you the part where the snipers are put through even MORE gruesome physical training compared to frontline soldiers/marines, people can't simply walk into the army and tick a box which says "I wants 2 be sniper!", this isn't Call of Duty.

So of you think it's a good idea to start enlisting small flexible women into the army solely for the purpose of becoming sniping specialists some day, all I can say is...well actually no, nothing needs to be said :p
 

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Aaron Sylvester said:
Video games are great, I know! But they don't show you the part about sniping where you have to carry ~20-25kg of equipment and climb/hike up to 10km+ on foot in hostile areas and difficult terrain. They also don't show you the part where the snipers are put through even MORE gruesome physical training compared to frontline soldiers/marines, people can't simply walk into the army and tick a box which says "I wants 2 be sniper!", this isn't Call of Duty.

So of you think it's a good idea to start enlisting small flexible women into the army solely for the purpose of becoming sniping specialists some day, all I can say is...well actually no, nothing needs to be said :p

And on the topic of wanting "equal treatment", in the past 10,000 years of recorded history there hasn't been a SINGLE culture/society/civilization where women were expected to do exactly the same work as men, take on exactly the same roles, and therefore be treated exactly the same. No such thing exists or has ever existed, and even if such a society did exist it obviously didn't fucking work and they went extinct.
Before you go insulting someone because you think you know anything about them, you should really try to do some research. Women are very capable of endurance training, and can easily accomplish carrying up to 50lbs of equipment on hikes in high altitude situations, just look at the 73 year old lady who climbed Mt. Everest ( in case you are too lazy to do your own research http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/19/world/asia/nepal-everest-cimb/index.html). I grew up in a military family, and I am very aware of what enlistment is, and how it works. I am also aware that women are not currently allowed to be snipers. This does not mean that I am wrong. Women are well suited to the type of conditions that snipers are placed under, and are very capable of completing the training (which is usually far more rigorous than the missions) as they are the actual mission. The biggest (environmental) problem that most snipers face in the field is hunger. Snipers on mission will often go days at a time sitting in the same place with minimal movement and very limited supplies. Intel is not very accurate and they work off of known habits. This doesn't mean that their target will actually go to the place they are expected to in the time frame they hope. The sniper is in place and they don't scrub the mission, they wait.

So please go do some research before you go around insulting people. It is very crass, and tends to make you look like something that rimes with a word in this sentence.


as for the second part I quoted, check out the Celts, Celtic women fought and trained alongside their men, hell just like their men they even fought naked most of the time to instill fear in their opponents.

I really think you need to research before you post things.