The Rise of the "Man-*****"

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Apollo45

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Don't see a problem with gay men effeminate men or whatever. They are who they are, and that's not a problem. I do have a problem with men whining about things though; there's a difference between being feminine and being a *****, which is what I initially thought this thread was about. Sadly, it's not, because I could go on for hours about that.

On topic, I won't get too much in to gender roles, but at a base level they're simply ideals developed by the current society and placed on the members of that society. There are, of course, biological differences between males and females, but the idea of 'man' vs 'woman' on a cultural basis is merely a function of the culture they're thrown in to, and not related to any true differences between the two.

That said, as a member of this particular society, there is something wrong with a man carrying a bag like that...
 

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dogstile said:
The trend isn't exactly new. It also annoys the crap out of me when I see people dressed like a "man *****". I don't even know why, but it's like... hmm, so many ways to explain it.

Ever get that urge to punch a guy who you think is a tool in the face? Its roughly that.
Okay, I'm going to play "Amateur translator". What I think you are saying is that it isn't so much that they dress in a feminine way, but that they never seems to do it out of genuine preference, but rather out of a twisted sense of arrogance and superiority/other repulsive personality traits?

OT: I don't like that guy because he looks like a douche, not because he is dressed 'femininely'.
 

willsham45

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It is strange though how it is culturally acceptable for a girl to be boyish but not a boy to be girlish...Whats wrong with a guy wanting to wear a skirt and wear blusher without the excuse of it being a night out lets all dress in drag for a laugh.
 

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Private Custard said:
Did you see him before? He was the most masculine, beer-swilling Aussie cricket bloke you could imagine. Now he looks like this.....



He looks ridiculous! He's free to look how he wants, but on the flip-side, anyone else is free to have a joke at his expense.

Although he is bedding Liz Hurley, so I'm not sure if the joke's on him, or us!
A polo shirt and a backpack? That's what you're trying to pass off as the 'joke' here? He looks a little funny with the gunk all over his face, possibly from electrolysis or laser hair removal. So what? Being clean shaven isn't unmanly. I'm really not seeing what's so funny about this guy.
 

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Iron Mal said:
Men can band together and bond over 'man laws' and we all know how women tend to be more open and social and can all 'feel a woman's pain'.
No, you don't know that, you just made a totally sweeping generalisation. I don't what the hell your talking about with 'man laws' and I've met many women who are actually quite reticent in nature.

Iron Mal said:
We understand what it is to be a man or a woman because of not only our experiences but also what we expect of men and women based on our societies gender roles.
And that's why gender roles to me, are bullshit. You shouldn't expect anything of someone based solely on their gender. People are individuals.

Iron Mal said:
The existance of gender roles isn't a problem, it's only certain dated and no longer relevent ones that cause trouble.
None of them are relevant today. They have no purpose or place in contemporary society, we have evolved beyond the need for them. To take something I said in another thread of this nature:

'The romans needed people of great physical strength to construct their arcitechture, fight in their armies and generally forge their many innovations; building their city/empire from the ground up. Nowadays intelligence, a trait that can not be attributed to either gender is of much greater value; technological innovations have produced machinery that is much more efficient in aiding the tasks of construction, warfare, medicine and the general preservation of society.'

All people to some degree exhibit both so called masculine and femminine traits, even if one heavily outweighs the other. Like I said people are individuals, they are complex, there is nothing to be gained by expecting someone to behave in a certain way because of their gender alone.
 

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Biosophilogical said:
dogstile said:
The trend isn't exactly new. It also annoys the crap out of me when I see people dressed like a "man *****". I don't even know why, but it's like... hmm, so many ways to explain it.

Ever get that urge to punch a guy who you think is a tool in the face? Its roughly that.
OT: I don't like that guy because he looks like a douche, not because he is dressed 'femininely'.
That actually translates it much more than your actual attempt :p
 

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willsham45 said:
It is strange though how it is culturally acceptable for a girl to be boyish but not a boy to be girlish.
It's not really.. unless you're a teenage girl, and then everyone will think you're just rebelling against growing up and will probably treat you like a child because of it.

But really, don't overestimate the degree of tolerance there.
 

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Exterminas said:
Soo... waering a scarf and a bag makes you feminine?
Ha. I wore a scarf and carried a bag to the football the other day. Then again, they had team colours on them. Is it still feminine then?

Meh. Wear what you want, just don't get in my face about why. I don't care.
 

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Blablahb said:
EllieRyan said:
Being clean shaven isn't unmanly. I'm really not seeing what's so funny about this guy.
Maybe because he has shoulder width that is very, very feminine compared to his size. The thin chin does little to help it too.
It's probably more to do with his posture, actually. It looks rather unnatural.
 

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evilthecat said:
willsham45 said:
It is strange though how it is culturally acceptable for a girl to be boyish but not a boy to be girlish.
It's not really.. unless you're a teenage girl, and then everyone will think you're just rebelling against growing up and will probably treat you like a child because of it.

But really, don't overestimate the degree of tolerance there.
I think the tolerance is generally there, I think it is more mind set of the individual, I know some guys who like to dress in more girly cloths but do not however want to go out under the thought of what will people think, where as girls it seems to be a lot easier to be the other way round.

In those rare few times I have come across a girly guy in town they get a few looks is that a guy or a girl and then continue on. If more guys do chances are more guys will get decide to follow along.
 

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The guy on the right looks like he's about to hand off something to the person on the left, something shifty is going on.
 

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Cheshire the Cat said:
Eh, I had no issue with the "metrosexual" movement until they started criticising real men and calling them "retrosexuals"
Yes, "real men". As opposed to the imaginary kind, I suppose. Get over yourself.
 

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To answer the last question: I don't enjoy anything that is feminine, no.
I mean, there's nothing off the top of my head. Surely if I thought real hard I'd come up with something but overall I'm very much out of touch with my feminine side.
I've got grainy, sandpapery hands, would rather die than get a manicure, I have more scars than you can shake a stick at, have at least 1 healing scratch/wound at any given time, and when I go out for something other than work I wear jeans, sneakers and a plain tshirt.
Yes, that's only the appearance, but that's what the thread is about.

As for the other questions:
-A positive step? No. It's not negative either. It's just people dressing the way they like.
I personally wouldn't be caught dead in the outfits the OP linked, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
If a man feels comfortable carrying a purse around and generally looking like he's never worked (physically) in his life, why not?

-A passing trend? Likely. Fashion comes and goes. Frankly, I don't know what's fashionable. I don't care either. But from what little I know of fashion, it's only a matter of time before the well runs dry on how to make men look more like women without going overboard, and someone says 'Hey! Let's bring back plaid shirts!"

-Should men aspire to fit the stereotype? No. They should do what they please. I should hope that for most men this would at least involve being masculine if not looking the part.
When I say masculine, by the way, don't think Rambo. Think... Red Forman, from That 70's Show.
Just, righteous, enough mental fortitude to make tough calls, etc.
You can be like that no matter how you look, and it is what I strive for.

-Are they pussies? A little, yes. At least they look that way.
I'm speaking as a manly man. You come to me for advice, I get no further than "Cause your problem physical harm through the repeated application of your forehead to it".
I can cook, but I cook big (and simple) meals, not the tiny food you see in the cooking shows. You know, where you'd have to order 10 main courses in the restaurant just to have a decent sized entrée.
I have no fancy clothing. I have my work clothes, I have my aforementioned jeans and tshirts, and that's pretty much it. I own 2 suits and a couple of ties, of course, but I'll never wear them except for weddings and such.
On and on the list goes.

From my vantage point, yes, they look like pussies. Like men who would not last a week in my line of work. Or any line of work, for that matter.
They look like men who would panic in the face of danger. Men who can't make split second decisions to save lives. Men you cannot trust to do the right thing, not because they appear unwilling, but because they appear unable.
And what is a man who appears unable to protect those around him? A pussy.

Before anyone asks, my line of work is stage building, yes, it is brutally hard work, yes, there is danger, sometimes, and yes, the danger when it does rear its ugly head requires quick thinking.
Dive-tackling someone out of the way of a falling steel beam quick thinking.
I wouldn't trust a man with a purse to do that for me, if I was the tackle-ee.
I really like this post and I think your attitude is great. The problem is though that we don't really live in a world of hard labour anymore. Back in the day, men needed to be practical and strong because their physical strength was an important resource but these days at least half the work out there is mental.

I'm a professional writer and animator, I spend all my time being creative and using pens and computers rather than any kind of physical strength. I'm scrawny as shit and I don't wear particularly practical clothes but I'm a good leader, I make (relatively) important decisions every day and I work hard to make a living. If I lived in a time or a country in which physical labour was necessary to survive then I'd throw myself into that with as much dedication as I've given to art, but that just isn't the case.

As much as I admire your core definition of masculinity, the problem I have is that you're still equating that a lot to someone's physical appearance. Naturally you shouldn't trust a weedy guy in high heels to save you from a falling girder but that should be a professional attitude rather than one to employ throughout all of your life. That same weedy high heeled guy might be the bravest, noblest man you ever met.
 

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Eh, to be fair, there are two types of metrosexuals in the world. There's the metrosexual who is a man in touch with his feminine side, and there's the metrosexual who dresses in that manner purely for the sake of fashion and pleasing women, i.e. they do it because it's the "in" thing to do.

This has been around for a while but it seriously started to spike when the show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" came out. I loathe that show, it's nothing but imposing a lifestyle onto another individual, something the LGBT community has been fighting to get rid of from christian fundamentalists.
 

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Father Time said:
Mythrignoc said:
Father Time said:
It can't be that bad. *Looks at image*. Wow. Ok everyone around him now has license to make fun of this man for the way he dresses. I think this is worse than just straight up drag.
Go fuck yourself.

The hell is wrong with a man getting in touch with his feminine side?
Nothing, but that outfit is just so damn bad. It's basically saying "I'm feminine but I want to express that without everyone knowing" but it's so fucking obvious you can see it from space. It's a joke.
Yeah, im all for people wearing whatever the hell they want but some feminine styles don't fit blokes [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8T4b2zz7YDA/SicsiXvnSHI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/1qXmIpXBAF4/s400/sass+and+bide+jeans.jpg] the same way some masculine styles don't fit women [http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/30/article-1312048474309-0D390A7900000578-611093_636x318.jpg].

Maybe im by myself on the second one but suits with shoulder pads really don't fit women in my opinion, regular suits are fine (Even attactive on the right women) but the shouder pads look really bad on women.

Also this guy pulls this look off really well: