The school bully's little brother problem. I.E The I'm screwed either way problem
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I wonder if you can make em beat you up... It's not hard to blind someone, so while shit is happening, blind em. You know martial arts right? It should be simple. Or depending on martial arts of choice, atleast all the ones I know about breaks limbs or aims for vitals, eyes neck and such... Just... defend yourself... At the same time, strike some fear in them by showing them that it only takes you a second to barehandly take someone's life away. Also as far as I know, martial arts tend to be trained to be reactionary, with danger to self and self defense, it's not really a conscious choice nor was it "intentional..." you know? Look at the law for a hole, set shit up, and end the guys life. Don't kill him or nothing, but either blind him or break some limbs so he's going to be a cripple for the remainder of his life. It's more fun that way, for everyone he's messed with as well.
Preferably the older brother.
Preferably the older brother.
Simple, don't fight the little kid. Because that makes you look like a jerk. Shove the kid off, tell him to go fuck himself but DO NOT PUNCH the kid. Then, when the brother comes along tell him that his brother is a dickwad and you don't want a part in it.
Here comes the important part, he's probably going to take a shot at you, accept it and repay him with as many of your own as you can get in before security pulls you off his ass.
Then, when it eventually gets you in trouble, always remember to emphasize that HE through the first punch. Remember kids: It's only self defense if you get hit first, before that YOU'RE in the wrong.
Here comes the important part, he's probably going to take a shot at you, accept it and repay him with as many of your own as you can get in before security pulls you off his ass.
Then, when it eventually gets you in trouble, always remember to emphasize that HE through the first punch. Remember kids: It's only self defense if you get hit first, before that YOU'RE in the wrong.
What is it with kids and shying away from any physical damage? Pain is temporary. If the kid is causing you shit, kick his fucking head in and take your lumps. He'll learn.
"Hardest" is also a lot more a mental thing than a fact, everything is situational.
tl;dr:
1)Don't be afraid of taking a punch
2)Don't let this playground concept of "hardest" psych you out
3)As soon as the little shitface hits you, you're free to inflict non-serious damage and 9 times out of 10 your punishment is less severe than his
4)try to make it so that he approaches you at a point advantageous to you
"Hardest" is also a lot more a mental thing than a fact, everything is situational.
Mental: I hear many claims from people that my brother is "hardest" in his school, and yet I slap him about for the fun of it when he pisses me off, despite not being hard nor a good fighter. Why? Because he's had it in his head since he was a little kid that I'm the older brother so I'm automatically tougher.
Situational: Had a similar case to yours. Some little shitfaced year 8 called Brad was 'bullying'[annoying] year 10s, myself included because his sister was seeing the hardest lad in our year. The first time he hit me I hit him back because I knew the punishment from school would be worse for him because he started it. At lunchtime, hard lad approaches me. Now our group always hung around on a banking and he approached up the banking. I let him throw the first punch, pushed him over while his balance was lost and stamped on his head until I was dragged away.
I get 1 day isolation and a busted lip. Brad gets 3 day suspension for starting the whole thing, plus a black eye. Hard lad gets 5 day suspension for premeditated assault, a black eye and a lump the size of an apple on the side of his head that stayed for a month. Never had trouble from them again.
Situational: Had a similar case to yours. Some little shitfaced year 8 called Brad was 'bullying'[annoying] year 10s, myself included because his sister was seeing the hardest lad in our year. The first time he hit me I hit him back because I knew the punishment from school would be worse for him because he started it. At lunchtime, hard lad approaches me. Now our group always hung around on a banking and he approached up the banking. I let him throw the first punch, pushed him over while his balance was lost and stamped on his head until I was dragged away.
I get 1 day isolation and a busted lip. Brad gets 3 day suspension for starting the whole thing, plus a black eye. Hard lad gets 5 day suspension for premeditated assault, a black eye and a lump the size of an apple on the side of his head that stayed for a month. Never had trouble from them again.
tl;dr:
1)Don't be afraid of taking a punch
2)Don't let this playground concept of "hardest" psych you out
3)As soon as the little shitface hits you, you're free to inflict non-serious damage and 9 times out of 10 your punishment is less severe than his
4)try to make it so that he approaches you at a point advantageous to you
Honestly, it shouldn't have an effect on your reputation. You've got some little twat being annoying. Tell your friends you're not just gonna beat the shit out of a young little bastard cause he's annoying. Push him out of the way and ignore him if he comes up to you. If his big brother starts shit, look at him and tell him his little brother's being an annoying little *****, and using him as an excuse to do so. Most older brothers don't actually like their little brothers being fucking twats and using the protection of their older brother to their advantage. If he still tries to start shit, beat the tar out of him. Even if he's one of those grudge holders, just make sure you've always got a heavy backpack with you, and keep your eye out for them. Always watch your surroundings, and if they try jumping you, you'll notice them. Four people sneaking up on one person at once doesn't work very well. Backpack with one or two heavy books in a backpack makes a great weapon to swing at one's head, knocking him out and quickly making the others reconsider. If you take the four of them out even once, they'll stop fucking with you.Holy_Handgrenade said:
Well, there certainly is a lot of questionable and downright stupid advice in this thread. Be advised, wall of text incoming.
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Righto, this is (in my opinion) what you should do (in order of application, until problem is solved):
Talk to the Older Brother
Approach the older brother and politely ask him to talk to his brother and get him to stop annoying you. Don't get angry or raise your voice when talking to him, but be firm. It's likely he's getting some form of stick for his little brother acting like a jackass anyway, so perhaps it'd be in his best interests to slap him upside the head a little and get him to start behaving.
Ignore Them
From what you've described, the kid seems to be all bark, with very little action to back up his tough talk. By acting as if his petty attempts to goad you into starting a fight with him have no effect on you, you may cause him to lose interest and stop bothering you.
Talk to the Authorities
Now, I know this may sound like the ?coward's option?, but it isn't. Assuming you've done the above and you're still being harassed by this kid and/or his brother, you've pretty much done as much as you can yourself to resolve the situation without resorting to violence or otherwise doing anything the authorities can punish you for.
Go to a teacher, or another member of staff (if your school is anything like mine was, you'll have a guidance teacher or someone similar to go to whose job it is to deal with this kind of thing), and calmly explain the situation, starting from the beginning and giving as much detail as possible. Don't leave anything out or warp the truth to try and make yourself look better. The more honest you are, the more likely they are to believe your story, as well as make it easier for them to get to the truth once they call in the kid and/or his brother to question them about it.
After you've done that, there's not much you can do for a while except to try and continue to ignore the kid and/or his brother until the authorities either resolve the situation or fail to act and do so. It's entirely possible that being talked to by the authorities will not change either the kid or his brother's behaviour (I know the authorities were bloody useless at several of my previous schools), but it is certainly worth a try, and even if it doesn't solve anything, it proves that you attempted to settle the situation diplomatically before resorting to violence, which will make you look better in the school's eyes (as well as anyone's with any sense).
Fight Them
Now, let me stress this: Violence should be your last resort, and only employed when all other peaceful means of resolving the situation have failed. Hopefully you will have solved the issue by now, but if not, here is what you need to know.
Firstly, don't start the fight. It makes you the aggressor in the eyes of a lot of people, most importantly those of the authorities. Stay calm, and fight back if either the kid or the older brother engage you, but don't throw the first punch.
Secondly, regarding all of the people telling you to take a bat or similar blunt object with you (or even worse, a knife), DO NOT DO THIS. I can not emphasise enough how stupid this is. For one thing, it turns a pretty simple schoolyard brawl into a potentially life-threatening fight, and also, it's just about the best way to mark you out as the bad guy in the eyes of both any spectators and the authorities. It proves that not only were you deliberately trying to grievously injure another person, but also that you we planning in advance to get into a fight. Again, do not do this.
Judging from what you've said, the little brother shouldn't be too hard to deal with, since you're older than him. You could probably quite easily beat him. Just remember that a lot of people will (and rightfully so) look down on you if you hurt him any more than is necessary. Especially the authorities. You're older than him, you're bigger than him. Shove him away if he tries to fight you, don't beat the crap out of him. It's the bigger brother that'll be the problem, assuming he even gets involved. If you do get into a fight with him, try and ensure that it happens in a fairly open area, where there are a lot of other kids. This will provide a large number of potential witnesses for the authorities to question later, and the more witnesses that see you defending yourself in a fight rather than starting one, the better.
Try and hit him in a way that will either wind, disorientate or knock him down. Don't go for the throat, because you don't want to risk killing the guy. Stomach, gut, temple and (though some people may disagree) testicles are valid targets. Hit him until he either backs down, gets knocked down or otherwise stops hitting you back. Do not hit him again after this. It makes you the aggressor rather than him, and is entirely unnecessary.
Walk away, and either go to the school nurse or whatever if you have any injuries and report what happened to the authorities, or carry on as you were (if he started the fight and lost it, he's probably too embarrassed to go to them himself). Also, it's worth noting that you may not even have to win the fight against the bigger brother to get them to leave you alone. Just stand your ground, and even if you end up losing, you'll probably gain a few points of respect in his eyes, or at least get him to try and find an easier target.
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Now, that's hardly a perfect or complete set of advice, but aside from that, I'm not sure what else I can offer, aside from don't take your high school 'reputation' too seriously. It's not nearly as important as it may seem to you at the moment, and acting like a responsible person will earn you a lot of points in the eyes of the authorities as well as those of any of your peers with half a brain.
Hope things work out well, in any case.
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Righto, this is (in my opinion) what you should do (in order of application, until problem is solved):
Talk to the Older Brother
Approach the older brother and politely ask him to talk to his brother and get him to stop annoying you. Don't get angry or raise your voice when talking to him, but be firm. It's likely he's getting some form of stick for his little brother acting like a jackass anyway, so perhaps it'd be in his best interests to slap him upside the head a little and get him to start behaving.
Ignore Them
From what you've described, the kid seems to be all bark, with very little action to back up his tough talk. By acting as if his petty attempts to goad you into starting a fight with him have no effect on you, you may cause him to lose interest and stop bothering you.
Talk to the Authorities
Now, I know this may sound like the ?coward's option?, but it isn't. Assuming you've done the above and you're still being harassed by this kid and/or his brother, you've pretty much done as much as you can yourself to resolve the situation without resorting to violence or otherwise doing anything the authorities can punish you for.
Go to a teacher, or another member of staff (if your school is anything like mine was, you'll have a guidance teacher or someone similar to go to whose job it is to deal with this kind of thing), and calmly explain the situation, starting from the beginning and giving as much detail as possible. Don't leave anything out or warp the truth to try and make yourself look better. The more honest you are, the more likely they are to believe your story, as well as make it easier for them to get to the truth once they call in the kid and/or his brother to question them about it.
After you've done that, there's not much you can do for a while except to try and continue to ignore the kid and/or his brother until the authorities either resolve the situation or fail to act and do so. It's entirely possible that being talked to by the authorities will not change either the kid or his brother's behaviour (I know the authorities were bloody useless at several of my previous schools), but it is certainly worth a try, and even if it doesn't solve anything, it proves that you attempted to settle the situation diplomatically before resorting to violence, which will make you look better in the school's eyes (as well as anyone's with any sense).
Fight Them
Now, let me stress this: Violence should be your last resort, and only employed when all other peaceful means of resolving the situation have failed. Hopefully you will have solved the issue by now, but if not, here is what you need to know.
Firstly, don't start the fight. It makes you the aggressor in the eyes of a lot of people, most importantly those of the authorities. Stay calm, and fight back if either the kid or the older brother engage you, but don't throw the first punch.
Secondly, regarding all of the people telling you to take a bat or similar blunt object with you (or even worse, a knife), DO NOT DO THIS. I can not emphasise enough how stupid this is. For one thing, it turns a pretty simple schoolyard brawl into a potentially life-threatening fight, and also, it's just about the best way to mark you out as the bad guy in the eyes of both any spectators and the authorities. It proves that not only were you deliberately trying to grievously injure another person, but also that you we planning in advance to get into a fight. Again, do not do this.
Judging from what you've said, the little brother shouldn't be too hard to deal with, since you're older than him. You could probably quite easily beat him. Just remember that a lot of people will (and rightfully so) look down on you if you hurt him any more than is necessary. Especially the authorities. You're older than him, you're bigger than him. Shove him away if he tries to fight you, don't beat the crap out of him. It's the bigger brother that'll be the problem, assuming he even gets involved. If you do get into a fight with him, try and ensure that it happens in a fairly open area, where there are a lot of other kids. This will provide a large number of potential witnesses for the authorities to question later, and the more witnesses that see you defending yourself in a fight rather than starting one, the better.
Try and hit him in a way that will either wind, disorientate or knock him down. Don't go for the throat, because you don't want to risk killing the guy. Stomach, gut, temple and (though some people may disagree) testicles are valid targets. Hit him until he either backs down, gets knocked down or otherwise stops hitting you back. Do not hit him again after this. It makes you the aggressor rather than him, and is entirely unnecessary.
Walk away, and either go to the school nurse or whatever if you have any injuries and report what happened to the authorities, or carry on as you were (if he started the fight and lost it, he's probably too embarrassed to go to them himself). Also, it's worth noting that you may not even have to win the fight against the bigger brother to get them to leave you alone. Just stand your ground, and even if you end up losing, you'll probably gain a few points of respect in his eyes, or at least get him to try and find an easier target.
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Now, that's hardly a perfect or complete set of advice, but aside from that, I'm not sure what else I can offer, aside from don't take your high school 'reputation' too seriously. It's not nearly as important as it may seem to you at the moment, and acting like a responsible person will earn you a lot of points in the eyes of the authorities as well as those of any of your peers with half a brain.
Hope things work out well, in any case.
I hope you're kidding. Please tell me you're kidding. I'm not sure if you read the same book I did, but Ender killed Stilson. Are you really advocating that the OP commit murder because he was shoved around and threatened a little?Pointer said:
If the big brother approaches you, tell him about the situation. Alternatively, just go to him before the kid does. If the threatens you or comes at you, give him a soft reminder that if he so much as throws a punch at you, you'll have his ass thrown out of school and possibly into jail. Assault and battery charges are not limited to adults.
Oh, wait, I thought this thread was going to be about being the school bully's little brother, and the problems that come with that.
I second what Kiefer13 said in Post 128 up there, and I would further emphasize what he says about your reputation. Consider that your high school reputation, such as you think of it, will not last beyond high school; however, showing people that you are reasonable, patient, humble, not easily angered, and not easily given to violence--that's something that will last.
I second what Kiefer13 said in Post 128 up there, and I would further emphasize what he says about your reputation. Consider that your high school reputation, such as you think of it, will not last beyond high school; however, showing people that you are reasonable, patient, humble, not easily angered, and not easily given to violence--that's something that will last.
Okay here's what you do. Go to the pet store and get a hamster, a rat will work too. Put it in your back pack, in a small cage that will allow it to breath. Make sure you have your backpack at all times. The next time the kid comes around, smile at him, say nothing. Reach into your backpack, remove the cage. Pull the master/rat out of the cage, drop the cage. Pat the thing, make soft cooing noises to it. Once you have his full attention on your. Snap the animals neck. Once you make sure it is dead, smash it against the ground and crush it under your feet until it is a bloody pulp. Make sure it causes a mess. Once it is pulverized, pick it up, hug it, pet it, rub your face all over it, make more cooing noises to it. Then place it back into the cage and into your backpack. The entire time make sure you do not stop smiling, also make sure you say nothing. Once your now dead hamster/rat is returned to your backpack, stand there, saying nothing, staring and smiling at the kid.
He will never bother you again.
He will never bother you again.
I reckon if you went hard and fast enough directly at the leader of the gang you could not only scare him shitless but carve a name for yourself as a hard kid whos not a dick
ask what his problem is or fake being knocked out/severely wounded it works for bears so why cant it work on big bullies (assuming you take on the big brother) or take it to the principal
you can also take hits until he falls down from exhaustion (assuming you take on the little guy)
you can also take hits until he falls down from exhaustion (assuming you take on the little guy)
In all honesty you should report what's going on to the principle immediately. Ask the principle to get the phone number of their parents, and call the parents and talk to them. You might also tell the security officer for your school about the problem. In the time being try to not be alone without a friend who can back you up.
Tell a teacher, trustable adult etc so they can clear up the problem.
Or you can tell his brother to tell his brother to back-off or you'll have to tell someone. It'll make you a pussy but if you do that, congratulations. You have done the right thing, if you talk with your fists expect the problem to be temporarily fixed.
Or you can tell his brother to tell his brother to back-off or you'll have to tell someone. It'll make you a pussy but if you do that, congratulations. You have done the right thing, if you talk with your fists expect the problem to be temporarily fixed.
There is a rather simple solution for this, but you might get beat up several times (I would say that's definitely worth it). Go to the teacher responsible for the younger brother and complain about his behavior. If the older brother get's mad because of that, then fight the older brother. If the older brother starts bullying you because of it, then fight the older brother. I doubt he'll still bully you after 5-6 actual fights.
The problem with the younger brother should be solved by adults (really what can you do with a kid three years younger then yourself). The problem with the older brother should be solved by you.
Personally though I would ignore the little brother. But I'm very talented at ignoring people.
Also I would avoid eyes and groins when fighting the older brother and his gang. Even when they beat you up you need to send out that you're better then them. Going for eyes and the groin makes you equals.
The problem with the younger brother should be solved by adults (really what can you do with a kid three years younger then yourself). The problem with the older brother should be solved by you.
Personally though I would ignore the little brother. But I'm very talented at ignoring people.
Also I would avoid eyes and groins when fighting the older brother and his gang. Even when they beat you up you need to send out that you're better then them. Going for eyes and the groin makes you equals.