The Stagnation of the Escapist forums.

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OpiateChicken

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Dear Escapees,

This thread isn?t going to talk about how lame high school is, or whether girls like nerdy guys, or any OMG, WTF or BBQ, even though every once in a while it is nice to have a good hot dog. It is also not going to talk about how society sucks because of old men wracked with age and 50?s values dominating office, or how getting a BJ makes you a good president. It?s not even going to be about the (rampant) elitism on here, at least, not strictly.

This thread is going to focus on making the Escapist Magazine forums a more pleasant place to post. As I read a few days ago by a majority of posters, these forums are considered something to waste time with when one is bored. Is that really the best thing for everyone? Wouldn?t you all rather this be a place where people come even when they aren?t bored? A looked-forward to destination? Personally I, and I know a lot of others as well, only came to this place because we saw or heard of Yahtzee somewhere and decided as an afterthought to join these forums, because some of the threads look mildly interesting. I?ll tell you why no real conversations ever get started on these boards, or if they do, how rare they are.

A conversation is something Escapees do not seem to understand. We view each thread topic as simply a poll, where posters after us will read through all the results and post their own. The catch to this is, I get an overwhelming sensation that nobody ever reads anyone else?s posts, and even if they do, they seldom reply to anything anyone else has said. This is observable by the high amount of repeated responses in threads, or the generally unrelated comments from post to post. Other than explicit poll threads, I did not come on here to read a census. I came here to be part of a discussion where I, and others, will read and respond with insight to others? comments, whether those comments be positive, negative or controversial in nature. This doesn?t mean saying ?fuck you, you spelled ?grammar? wrong, retard!?(although it would be nice to see people learning the difference between than and then, ex: I like Turok better than Assassin?s Creed 2; I easily beat Assassin?s Creed 2, then used it as a coaster while I played Turok.) No! There is very little going on here in the way of insight, or generally giving a fuck about other people?s opinions. I guess this could go back to the dreaded topic of elitism.

I guess a lot of Escapees are smart, or at least think they are. That?s all good, but when you go on assuming that you?re smarter than 95% of the population around you, you tend to become a bit of a pretentious ass. Which, I see, is what a lot of people here are. Ever see those responses that are one sentence long, or even just a few words, with no quoted material, just trying to be extremely witty and conceited? Well, that?s what I?m talking about. Everyone is trying to seem so damn smart and unique to everyone else, with their self-proclaimed coolness stemming from their self-diagnosed psychological problems, that the whole thread ends up just being a huge clusterfuck of fail. You guys know exactly what I am talking about, and I fully expect the same thing to happen in this thread to an extent too, even though it will bug me and probably make me want to punch a hole through my new LCD monitor.

So, Escapees, do understand that I am not attacking you, your way of life, or how you interact with other people. Well, I guess I sort of am. I?m still a relative n00b to this site, but it seems that the ?golden age? has already passed, as was mentioned in a thread I read a few months ago. These forums are just starting to seem... boring. No one gives a shit about anyone else. You look at any popular, interesting website, people give a shit about what each other say. Even look at 4chan, and all the faggotry that implies. No matter how disgusting or inappropriate or stupid their material or subject matter is, it?s more interesting than here because they care--well, no. They acknowledge the members of that community. This feels like a void or something, where you dump comments into cyberspace and someone is expected to come around vacuuming them all up, storing them in some book nobody will ever read.

I?m guessing that a lot of people here are going to tell me to stop whining, or to just go to 4chan, or something stupid along those lines. But do you really think that the ?golden age? here depended on who used this site, as opposed to the way people used it? We can bring back an age better than whatever the previous golden one was. You can listen to each other and state your insightful comments and show that high IQ that so many of you profess to have, so don that monocle and get out that decanter of whiskey. I guess that?s all for now, Escapees. Stay classy.

Sincerely,

Opiate Chicken
 

BGH122

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I thought this OP was very amusing and articulate! So good job on that.

But, to answer your points, yes it would indeed be nice to see some extended discussion going on here with a lot of back and forth between different posters instead of this bulletin style posting with perhaps one or two replies to a post. However, it's entirely possible that the Escapist just isn't the place for this kind of in-depth discussion. Just as one wouldn't flick onto the Discovery channel to watch "Girls Gone Wild" neither would one flick onto any of the mass of generic vox populi channels such as Bravo or Dave expecting to see an in-depth intellectual debate. This doesn't mean that the latter is absolutely and always the former's inferior, it simply means they cater to different desires. This may be the case with the Escapist.

Whilst it's certainly less fulfilling to splurge one's own opinions and thoughts out into the web with no chance of a rebuttal or follow up comment which might, perhaps, alter the way the original commenter thinks about an issue, it's nonetheless true that most people (perhaps even all) simply aren't permanently in a debating mood. There are a lot of forums out there which cater to debate on specific issues which are probably a better choice for a debating centre than a hugely populated and (frankly) disoriented forum like this. This site is, referring back to the TV analogy, the Bravo of forums. Its real focus (gaming) is certainly the driving force behind most points, but it regularly goes off on tangents down pointless paths and ends up as an unrevolutionary way to waste some time.

Perhaps, rather than presume that all sites should be the Discovery channel of the forum world you might pick and choose forums for different moods and needs?
 

Nepeccel

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I agree with a lot of your points actually, I go to other forums if I want a discussion that doesn't get flamed!
The number of zombie apocalypse and 'what's your favourite anime' threads are very tiresome and I've not been here long at all.
 

Saul B

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Yeah well, the reason we come here when we are bored is because there are much better things to be doing with our time. For example, instead of talking about games, we can actually play them. Just thought I'd point that out.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Are we dying again? I thought it was about time.
I agree - humidity has been around 60%, my crook knee is acting up and the tomcats are on the prowl. All signs point to faux forum apocalypse.
 

BGH122

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Do, good people, note the hypocrisy of this thread: that the OP hasn't replied to a single post.
 

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BGH122 said:
I thought this OP was very amusing and articulate! So good job on that.

But, to answer your points, yes it would indeed be nice to see some extended discussion going on here with a lot of back and forth between different posters instead of this bulletin style posting with perhaps one or two replies to a post. However, it's entirely possible that the Escapist just isn't the place for this kind of in-depth discussion. Just as one wouldn't flick onto the Discovery channel to watch "Girls Gone Wild" neither would one flick onto any of the mass of generic vox populi channels such as Bravo or Dave expecting to see an in-depth intellectual debate. This doesn't mean that the latter is absolutely and always the former's inferior, it simply means they cater to different desires. This may be the case with the Escapist.

Whilst it's certainly less fulfilling to splurge one's own opinions and thoughts out into the web with no chance of a rebuttal or follow up comment which might, perhaps, alter the way the original commenter thinks about an issue, it's nonetheless true that most people (perhaps even all) simply aren't permanently in a debating mood. There are a lot of forums out there which cater to debate on specific issues which are probably a better choice for a debating centre than a hugely populated and (frankly) disoriented forum like this. This site is, referring back to the TV analogy, the Bravo of forums. Its real focus (gaming) is certainly the driving force behind most points, but it regularly goes off on tangents down pointless paths and ends up as an unrevolutionary way to waste some time.

Perhaps, rather than presume that all sites should be the Discovery channel of the forum world you might pick and choose forums for different moods and needs?
Basically all that i wanted to say is in this post, yay.
This forum just isn't good at having big indepth discussions after all this is a gaming site and this must be kept in mind. Not everyone on this site goes to university etc and want to have a intellectual disscussion. For example my thread about asking a terrorist a question which was before the spat of annoying trivial ask a threads, i had quite ignorant answers who failed to read the opening post. That thread brilliantly describes these forums, people here arn't that big on in-depth disscussions however i have found that when a discussion breaks through there is conversation between a few members and can be quite intellectual. Ironically enough when a thread pops up with no discussion, people moan at the lack of discussion yet it is a rare thing for people to actually do.
 

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I am more intelligent than a alot of people, with an IQ of 130 I'm well above average I don't pretend to be cool and offer my opinion as I see it. I'm pretty open to debate and thought provoking subjects so I flit about a bit between the sub forums looking for something interesting to jump in to and follow up on posts I make. I will read most of the replies in a thread although I do sometimes miss that a thread has more than 1 page and reply to the last on what ever page I'm looking at by mistake.

I'm unlikely to jump it to a thread which is over 2 pages as I don't usually have the time or concentration to absorb that number of posts and I feel as though I have a responsibility to actually read what people have to say to make sure I'm not repeating myself. Apart from the occasional post where I simply want to inform the OP what an asshat I've found him.

I see quite a number of posts that have extended debate but they're mostly in the Religion and Politics forum or an subject matter which really involves people (after several of the news articles posted here). One might ask on a forum related to gaming how much involved debate one is going to find.

On the other hand what I see in the off topic forum is a number of posts on trivial stuff that many will use to quickly to add to post count or likely to award badges for most views or most replies to the OP. But this is no different here at Escapist than it is on any other forum. Count whores are rife and Escapist have now thrown in medals to the equation.

I'm a sucker for those, but I'm also too unimaginative to think of a subject that will garner 500 replies or 1 million views.

I better go back to doing some work now, I only replied because I was bored. (Poor attempt at humour).
 

OpiateChicken

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BGH122 said:
Do, good people, note the hypocrisy of this thread: that the OP hasn't replied to a single post.
Haha, well, I'm packing to leave. My house, that is.

But you guys have raised some good points--the Discovery channel thing, and the old glitter on a turd. I guess I never really thought about it that way. I know I could go to different sites to get in-depth discussion, but I was under the impression that it used to be this way on here. I wouldn't really know, I guess that's just how people made it seem in the nostalgia threads.

Well, I suppose I'll have to settle for the one-liners then.
 

OpiateChicken

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Quoth said:
I'm unlikely to jump it to a thread which is over 2 pages as I don't usually have the time or concentration to absorb that number of posts and I feel as though I have a responsibility to actually read what people have to say to make sure I'm not repeating myself.
That's true too. I didn't think about that in writing my original post, sorting through 6 pages usually takes quite a lot of time.
 

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I agree with most of what you say except that this place would be better as something other than an internet time waster. The Escapist forums could be the best forum on the internet but that still couldn?t compete for my time with things like sleep and playing video games. I post here because I?m at work and this computer can?t run anything more complicated than Charles Barkley?s Shut Up and Jam Gaiden.
 

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It always seems like things were better than they are now, but I do know that I've been posting much less. Honestly, I've kind of lost interest in the same discussions being repeated over and over. Every once in a while we get a good thread, but even then it's quickly spoiled by the obnoxious community members who feel they have to flame in order to make a point. Things aren't stagnating, but they're not improving, either. We have only the community to blame. Or rather, ourselves.

Part of the problem is that the old members who kept the site intelligent (or wordy, anyway) have all largely left or been banned. Very, very few of the posters who have joined since I did have been people I felt I could respect the opinions of. Not because of when they joined, but due in part to the idea popularized by a recently-banned member that having a large post count was some sort of achievement. Most people can't post constantly and put up quality stuff every time. Hence there's a lot of wasted bandwidth on the forums where people jabber mindlessly and get to feel good about how their post count is growing nicely.

Gamefaqs, for all it's faults, is probably more fun for me to post on at this point. If for no other reason than it is actually useful.
 

Quoth

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Samurai Goomba said:
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Gamefaqs, for all it's faults, is probably more fun for me to post on at this point. If for no other reason than it is actually useful.
I never heard anyone say that about Gamefaqs before. Although it was what brought me here, here is whats keeping me off Gamefaqs.
 

Dark Knifer

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I don't think there is anything really wrong with these forums at the moment. Why do I get the feeling that's because maxthereaper got banned?

Anyway, this website has it's phases but it usually works out for the best, with one or two bannings to keep everyone in check, but this is by far my favourite website of all time.