This is why I hate "Fake Geek/Gamer Girls"

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Phasmal

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bartholen said:
I hadn't really bothered with this whole "fake gamer girls" debacle until now, and wouldn't like to start doing so. But this thread gives me the opportunity to link this Cyanide and Happiness strip that got me thinking

Wow that comic sucks.
Seriously.
We're only nerds if we wanna fuck specific other nerds?

I dig nerd guys.
ALL nerd guys?
NO.

Seriously, that can just go crawl back in the butthole it climbed out of.
 

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Unfortunately, I think some points in the video are completely bogus. First, being a nerd is NOT synonymous with being abused. You may feel like an outsider, but, from my own personal experiences, a lot of what makes you an outsider is self-imposed. I didn't hang out by myself reading because I was pushed away by the masses. I preferred reading and learning to the company of my peers. Maybe the schools I attended were a unique scenario, but there was not a ton of "nerd hate" or groups singled out due to their intelligence.

So, using the imagination exercise is a facile argument, especially because you could use the exact exercise to reinforce arguments about other social/economic/political groups. In other words, you could substitute "poor kid" or any number of racial slurs and evoke the same kind of response. What was said about "outsiders" is neither a uniform experience amongst intellectuals nor is it unique to nerd culture. Using this as an argument is a glib way to gain sympathy for the narrator's cause of "protecting nerd culture".

Second, his skewering of the Big Bang Theory had some serious holes. Again, because the tropes he stated could be applied to nearly ANY sitcom. In a ton of comedy sitcoms, there's always the clowns, the straight man (or woman) who often acts not only as a grounding agent, but sometimes as a projection of the audience (a curious observer to an alien culture/group), and the mothering character. Lets look at the shows the character holds up as "good" examples (as opposed to Big Bang Theory being "bad"). I'll note now that I haven't watched much of the Big Bang Theory (probably about 4 hours combined), but think I know enough to make a distinct counterpoint.

Frasier commonly shows it's intellectuals as stuffy and dependent on social structure to get by (ie - lack of "street smarts"). The protagonists are often reeled in from their goofy antics by their own versions of the tropes mentioned above, the ex-cop father, Daphne, or Roz. Through their interaction with non-intellectuals, they grow as people.

In BBT, the two main nerds, Leonard and Sheldon, have a very similar relationship to Frasier and Niles. There's the "normal" one and the eccentric one. Penny (from what I've seen from the little I've watched BBT) often fills every other role (depending on what the writers decide that episode), going from grounding the clowns, mothering them when they fail, or just as an outside voice in this particular sub-culture of people. As a result of her outside opinion, they grow as people.

In regards to IT Crowd, the same tropes apply. The two nerdy guys (one normal and one a little less so) are joined by a "normal" woman (though, it's British TV, so no one is ever completely normal) who acts as an outsider/trespasser into their nerd world they've built. This forces them to grow as people....yada, yada, yada.

I guess if I had a summary (backed up by the narrator), it's that his argument is one I've heard a thousand times from a thousand different "cultures". You can't stop assimilation. What you can do is, instead of being a cultural gatekeeper (saying who gets to be nerd and who doesn't), be a cultural ambassador. Closing a culture off from the populous masses has never yielded ANY substantial results. If anything, you are remitting yourself to not be included in the gradual nerd-ification of America. If nerds are cool and people want to be cool, they will look to follow nerds. If you are a nerd, you can wield influence over those who wish to be like you.

If you leave it to corporations to set the nerd bar for the public, you are just asking for a nerd-centric, Hot-Topic-esque store. If you're a vocal, inclusive nerd ambassador, the chances that the popular opinion of nerds to be something that you can stand goes up.

Post-note: Your comments about iTunes being the death of the DIY heart of punk rock is completely false. Digital distribution methods are a great way for independent artists to make sure their music is available to the masses without involving a major record label.
 

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Oh man WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!!


I am SO FUCKING LOST.


For what I have gathered is this yet another thread about gender in videogames or something? Well is so I will back off and just watch it all while I listen to heroic music that DOSNT FITS THIS THREAD AT ALL.
 

Phasmal

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Tentacler said:
Replace 'date' with 'be friends with' and that comic may have more merit.
Nope.
There is no male-on-male `must be friends with other geeks to be real` mandate and there isn't for us either.
No merit in relation to this.
In relation to how some guys judge female nerds, perhaps (the `you'd never be interested in ME ten years ago!` thinking I bought up earlier).
 

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So a few people pretend to be something that's 'cool' now. So what? it's about as offensive as an old person trying to be young. Unless your problem is you were bullied for being a geek, and now your bullies are pretending to be geeks, you have no cause to be offended. get over it.

If you really can;t get over this, then i suggest you blame the right thing. The Big Bang Theory.
If I get compared to Sheldon ONE MORE TIME, I will actually lose it.
 

Phasmal

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Phasmal said:
Nope.
There is no male-on-male `must be friends with other geeks to be real` mandate and there isn't for us either
There's nothing saying "MUST BE FRIENDS", simply the zany gamer/nerd-for-irony's-sake-chick won't give the actual nerd in the comic the time of day. I.e. Has no interest in talking to him.

It's that simple.

Again, why is this being made such a huge problem? My girlfriend is a gamer/nerd, she hates some other girls who pretend to be a gamer/nerd for kitsch value.

It's, that, freakin, simple.
So I must have interest in talking to all nerds...? Nope.
That comic really doesn't work in relation to this.

It's a problem because people trying to define what a nerd `is`, what makes you one, what doesn't.
I argue if you want to be a nerd, then you are.
I'm not going to try and stop anyone.
Ooh, here, I like this: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/07/26/who-gets-to-be-a-geek-anyone-who-wants-to-be/
It's a good read in relation to this.

The `fake nerd` imo isn't nearly as much of a problem as the `gaming hipster/elitist`.
 

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Somonah said:
So a few people pretend to be something that's 'cool' now. So what? it's about as offensive as an old person trying to be young. Unless your problem is you were bullied for being a geek, and now your bullies are pretending to be geeks, you have no cause to be offended. get over it.

If you really can;t get over this, then i suggest you blame the right thing. The Big Bang Theory.
This.

Girls = fine
The Big Bang Theory = Must End NOW

Actually scratch that. Gotta end Seinfeld re-runs first...
 

skywolfblue

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DoPo said:
Zhukov said:
Yesterday, somewhere in the world, a girl who wasn't a Real Nerd[sup]TM[/sup] claimed that she was.

Today, when I woke up, I discovered that I had leprosy. On my testicles.
I wasn't going to get involved in this topic, but I must say - Zhukov proves a point. Thank you for that and...I'm sorry for what happened. In light of this terrible tragedy, I just knew we had to act fast. And it is done:

That video made my day!

So very very true.

"How dare those filthy "common" people invade nerd-dom!"

There's enough hate and cliqué-ism going on in the world. Why don't people try being more inclusive for a change?

Geeks of all people should understand what it's like to be hated/excluded. Turning the tables doesn't make it better, it only perpetuates the cycle. You need to be better then the people who mistreated you in the past, which means you need to be nicer to them, then they were to you.
 

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Seems like the big bang theory is a pretty crappy show. That's what I'm supposed to get from this thread, right?
 
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Last I checked imitation was the sincerest form of flattery. Was that flat out wrong or are people here just bad at ignoring people who annoy them in real life? I've heard people say silly things about gaming that are just plain wrong but I don't crucify them over it. Like a loud conversation between 3 people where one declared when he works and has the money he will get a "good(they are all basically the same bar HDD)" xbox 360 for gaming and one of the others said he would get a Mac for gaming. I just laughed a little inside and went on with my life.
 

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Kinda weird, but I still haven't met one of these fake geek/gamer girls. People keep ragging about them, but I still don't quite get it. What is so inherently bad about people pretending to like our culture. Even more so I doubt anyone would pretend to like something as unprofitable as our stuff, without having some tiny bit of interest in it. I just don't know people, if I ever meet one of the fake gamer/geek girls then I guess I'll have a more ingroup opinion about it.
 

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For the love of Christ.

I haven't even WATCHED the Episode IV of Star Wars, I don't watch Doctor Who, I don't watch Star Trek, I don't play shooters, I have a fairly wide array of hobbies and am constantly balancing out my time more and more, and I don't have great memories of "Old Nintendo" or even any nostalgia for ANY console-related stuff from before the PS1.

And yet no one ever questions my "nerd" credentials!

Why is everyone getting uppity about GIRLS who don't share your deep, innate knowledge and hipsterish appreciation of gaming and "nerd culture", but no one gives a shit about/thinks to quiz GUYS who don't? Sexism at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.

Furthermore, I've had fun with my time in the "nerd clubhouse", even though I fail pretty much every classic/stereotypical test required to be properly granted "nerd status" aside from "having glasses". No one's told me to shove off, people have enjoyed interacting with me, I've enjoyed my interactions with people, and everyone's happy. Why not let Jane, who played Mario a couple times a decade ago but now mostly plays Popcap games, into your clubhouse so she can talk to you, maybe get some game recommendations from you? Is there ANY reason beyond "they weren't nice to me in junior high school"?

For the love of all that's good and holy, we have a user on here (a pub-clubber, no less) who's profile motto is "a non-gamer on a gaming website", or something along those lines. Why does no one care about him?!
 

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Your argument of being a professional basketball player only holds merit if nerds and geeks got paid to be nerds and geeks. As it stands it's a group of people who like shows/movies/books/games/what-the-hell-else that are classified as "nerdy" by whoever the hell classifies these sort of things, and even then I'm not entirely sure what defines one as a "geek" or nerd since I've heard it used in so many contexts, and I doubt anyone really has a solid idea of what such a thing is defined as in this day and age.

Really, I don't know why this issue is such a big thing all of a sudden? For someone to prove that they're a geek or some shit. I have to wonder what the big deal is if they're not? And why are faker gamer/geek girls such freaking monsters in the nerd world? What nefarious purpose do people think they're up to, what is their ultimate end goal?
Because from these types of arguments, the only theory I've got is that there are guys out there who legitimately believe that these "fake geek" women are seeking to somehow affect them, or maybe appear interesting to them so that they can get their hopes up by saying "ha ha, I got you, I was just pretending to like you; I don't even know what Wrath of Khan is," and then collecting and bottling their nerdy tears of sadness because it turns out that they're the main ingredient in a magical elixir... or something to that affect.

Honestly, just let people do what they want to do, and if that includes faking being a "geek", then oh well. If they're really fake geeks, then they're eventually going to betray themselves as such, and they'll end up looking like idiots who don't know anything about what they're talking about; but the real thing that seems to be at work here is the shunning of any and all women from geek culture unless they can pass some kind of fucking test to be able to earn their geek driver's license. The only thing this accomplishes is making "genuine geek" women even more alienated in their own culture. And that's not on the "monstrous fake geek" women; that's on the sexist, insecure assholish men who keep insisting that "fake geeks" are a thing.
 

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GZGoten said:
gamers used to be mocked and made fun of, anything dealing with video games immediately made you a loser, a nerd, an outsider, and a socially awkward kid that kept to a small group of other losers.
Culturally we didn't have any value and as a market we were a niche... Now people want to be us, they want to act like us, and pretend to enjoy the same things we do; and do you know why? Because now, we're cool! So stop complaining about being a purist and start enjoying the fact that; plain and simple, we won!
its not a win.

Their Fairweather friends, they'll leave when something else gets popular.

Best not to give a shit what the fads and trends are, and to just go with what you enjoy.
 

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Phasmal said:
Stupid bullshit about fake girls is stupid bullshit and I really don't care for the frustrated tears of gamer hipsters who don't want ladies in their treehouse.

Gaming is not `your` thing. It's just a thing. And everyone can enjoy it.

Oh yeah, and, I'm a gamer girl.
Come at me bro.
I think the only thing that seriously gets to me about 'fake geek girls' is that they're holding back real 'gamer chicks' in this culture, there's rarely a time when I meet a bunch of gamer guys who do nothing but show me contempt when I try to share/talk about my hobby with them, and I've only been to a convention once but a overheard quite a few unsavory whispers about either myself or other girls nearby at the con.
and pretty much everything in this image.
Also guys don't try to look for the 'gamer girl' for a girlfriend, both myself and my fiance play games but I tend to lean towards FPS's and MMO's while he likes RPG's and RTS's. I think there's only one game we've ever played together, ever. :p