I think it's weird in the same way it would be weird to see a guy playing with a barbie doll. For some reason it just turned into a primarily male activity, and people treat it as such. Eventually this conception will go away as more girls are brought into the industry and people finally realize that it's a activity for both genders to enjoy.
This one's for the girls.
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*Sigh* If only I was so lucky to meet such a person.chinangel said:heh. I take that as a personal challenge sirMercurySteam said:
naw, I'm definately not a casual gamer. I'm currently building my skills in MvC3, and I'm not half bad at CoD4 and Black Ops. ^^
Oh not this again.
Here's what I think,
that you insist on calling yourself a "GIRL Gamer" instead of just "Gamer" is what sets you apart from regular Gamers, because according to you, you're not a regular Gamer.
Girl Gamers shouldn't exist.
Gamers exist, and "Gamer" applies to both genders.
Call yourself a Gamer. Do not act as if you're special, because being female among gamers does not make you special.
Also, never EVER state that you're a GIRL gamer.
Never EVER state your gender unless someone is curious to what your gender is.
That's my take on the matter. Feel free to disagree.
Here's what I think,
that you insist on calling yourself a "GIRL Gamer" instead of just "Gamer" is what sets you apart from regular Gamers, because according to you, you're not a regular Gamer.
Girl Gamers shouldn't exist.
Gamers exist, and "Gamer" applies to both genders.
Call yourself a Gamer. Do not act as if you're special, because being female among gamers does not make you special.
Also, never EVER state that you're a GIRL gamer.
Never EVER state your gender unless someone is curious to what your gender is.
That's my take on the matter. Feel free to disagree.
Ok, FINE if you're going to be civilised about it I guess I CANT join this one making cynically cutting and hilariously sexist jokes for all to enjoy. GOD! Selfish much?chinangel said:
The intelligent reply?
Modern perception of the gamer is someone who stays inside their bedroom, curtains drawn with a bag of cheetos and 3 bottles of coke / red bull / red bull rip off, while neglecting the real world. The misconception is that all they talk about IS videogames and those people who consider themselves to be "Trendy outgoing socialites" consider you to be the modern day equivilent to a leper.
This is because they have convinced themselves they are super cool and videogames are NOT for cool people. If they say they have an xbox they will mention it only to fit in and then let it die as fast as they can.
Now, to the gender specifics.
Women tend to be more outgoing and socialy orientated than men, I mean look at my situation, both my sisters have a vast number of friends and go out as often as their purses will permit while I prefer to stay at home shooting people in the face on my shooter games, Yelling at assholes all the while, or hacking limbs off on my RPGs, Yelling "DECAPITATION" as and where valid and so on.
If we now merge the preteniousness of people who dont understand the videogame culture of the modern world with the reality of the social side of women being more prominent than that of men we come to the conclusion that girl gamers should shut the hell up and make the men a sandwich.
I hope that helps.
Haha, no seriously. I prefer Bacon.
Ok ok, Sterotyping aside.
Its mainly because of how games are manufactured. These days a "good" game is considered to have more guns, explosions, cusses and nudity than a weekend in Vegas and these things are sterotypically attached to male enjoyment factors whilst game companies think that women wanna play cooking mama on their pink DS.
God bless the Japanese,
See reference:
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/30/girl-gamer-magazine-thinks-its-still-the-1950s/
Moving on,
Stay strong li'l chica!
If you wanna play your PSP then you do it! Stick it to those nintendo loving bastards!
No wait, wrong subject point.
Erm...
Scrooooolling up...
Ah, ok why women are seen as outsiders in the gaming culture.
Right well,
No, Dont be ashamed.
I have been mocked and laughed at by girls who know my friends because I like games and dont hide it. I reply to their laughter with, "Love how stupid bitches like you cling to outdated sterotypes.... K bye now."
Hard to reply to someone who isnt fazed by mocking laughter when its all they got.
And finally,
The mom's reply.
IF you wanna do something, do it. If people judge you poorly for it, Fuck 'im. They're arrogant jerk offs who think they're better than you without justifaction.
Rock on li'l chica and stick it to those nightclub loving, STD infected socialite bastards!
Never had the problem. Most people I talk to about my love of (and degree in) gaming think I am exceptional. This is how I believe all girls who play games should think of themselves. We are exceptional because we have "dared" to become interested in an industry that wasn't primary designed to be exclusive to girls. I would like to draw the comparison with girls in the army. I do believe that in some cases, women are not allowed to perform certain duties (the most notable that comes to my mind would be driving tanks).
I play my DS at work (currently consuming Pokemon Platinum before I start Pokemon Black/White) and most of my co-workers ask me about my progression in the game on a regular basis (some even bring theirs to work with them). My point is, it is only a problem if you believe it to be. I don't, therefore it isn't to me. Be proud that you have an entertaining hobby that gives you cross-gender conversation material.
I play my DS at work (currently consuming Pokemon Platinum before I start Pokemon Black/White) and most of my co-workers ask me about my progression in the game on a regular basis (some even bring theirs to work with them). My point is, it is only a problem if you believe it to be. I don't, therefore it isn't to me. Be proud that you have an entertaining hobby that gives you cross-gender conversation material.
Bah, leftist hippy rhetoric the lot of it!Alon Shechter said:
I'm going to weigh in on this as a guy because I'm nosy, feel free to disregard all I say as merely unintelligible grunting about Black Ops.
I don't believe the term Girl Gamer detracts very much from the notion that gamers are of both genders.
MAJOR EDIT - The vast majority of what I'd previously said was a vague ramble that didn't go anywhere so I'm self-editing before anyone except Alon Shechter can see my verbal vomiting.
I'd say it's perfectly understandable to feel ashamed if someone else thinks less of you, especially if it's a co-worker or someone you know. Not everyone feels indifferent to the disapproval of their peers, even when that disapproval may be poorly founded. I don't think she's the problem here. It's those who (consciously or not) feel the urge to reinforce a stereotype that they conform to whenever they see someone who deviates. I mean I'm sure the OPs' co-worker meant nothing by her statement other than that girl gamers may be a minority amongst girls but not many people like to hear that they're in the minority on something.Susan Arendt said:
I agree with what you said to an extent and I think it's hypocritical and bullshit that the forum moderators put you on probation. To add further insult:Eico said:
" FrostyChick:
Then you can go fuck yourself."
Apparently this kind of communication however is totally spot on with how we should communicate whereas the way you intelligently debated is not called for! I call bullshit on that.
I know that according to the title, I don't qualify to answer this, but I know as many girls as guys who game, and not just casual games, but proper and often hardcore games.chinangel said:
Another thing, don't worry about what people think of the hobby, those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter.
Don't feel ashamed that some jealous chick told you that girls don't play video games much. Screw her and her narrow thinking. I've been playing games ever since i was a kid, one way or another. Even though i didn't have too much time. I used to play tennis, but then again, this is also a game, just not a video game.
I liked (and still do) to do things like sports, video games and things that weren't considered "girly". I barely have any female friends because we don't have the same interests. And to me, it's not a problem. A lot of females i know have complained about me playing video games and spending too much time on them, but i never gave a rat's ass. I play things on my phone as i walk on the street and women would look in a strange way at me and i still don't care.
My point is, don't feel bad about what makes you happy. Ever.
Chicks tell stuff like that only because they know that girls that play video games are so much more interesting and guys like them more and they feel threatened and intimidated. So next time, when some girl tells you that video games are not for girls, just shrug it off or you can just tell her to go f*** herself.
I liked (and still do) to do things like sports, video games and things that weren't considered "girly". I barely have any female friends because we don't have the same interests. And to me, it's not a problem. A lot of females i know have complained about me playing video games and spending too much time on them, but i never gave a rat's ass. I play things on my phone as i walk on the street and women would look in a strange way at me and i still don't care.
My point is, don't feel bad about what makes you happy. Ever.
Chicks tell stuff like that only because they know that girls that play video games are so much more interesting and guys like them more and they feel threatened and intimidated. So next time, when some girl tells you that video games are not for girls, just shrug it off or you can just tell her to go f*** herself.
THANKYOU! I've been trying to tell "GRRRRRL" Gamers that for years! Lets Just Be Gamers.superbatranger said:
There is a lot of anti-gaming sentiment for both genders, though more so for girls. Why? Stereotypes. But I can tell you that guys who play games love it when a girl enjoys games as well.
Also, don't take everything this "friend" says to heart. You have no reason to be ashamed, whereas she's getting worked up over something extremely petty which isn't even her business.
Also, don't take everything this "friend" says to heart. You have no reason to be ashamed, whereas she's getting worked up over something extremely petty which isn't even her business.
Umm, what? Seriously, you've met guys who think like that? I know I don't understand women, but when I hear about the kind of stupid shit other men sometimes say or think, I suspect I don't understand my own gender either. I've actually tried to get girls I know into gaming and play co-op shooters with one of them. I don't get why somebody would think enjoyment of games would depend on gender.Xiphos98 said:
Why does society see it okay for guys to be into games? I think it's because society viewed gaming to be a guy thing in the past, so they see it as acceptable for guys.
Why do some girls avoid girls that play video games? It's could possibly be due to the gamer stereotype of social misfits that live in their parent's basement, hiding away from others. Some people think associating with certain types of people will cause them to be viewed as one of those type of people. I actually find that guys have a bigger problem with me gaming than other girls. Mainly it's those "get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich" type guys.
There isn't any real good reason why we should be ashamed or hide the fact that we play games. I personally don't like the term girl gamer though; that implies you become a different type of gamer based on your gender. I like the games like Left 4 Dead the same amount that I like casual games like Super Scribblenauts. My gender doesn't define my gaming choices so my gamer status shouldn't be defined by my gender.
Why do some girls avoid girls that play video games? It's could possibly be due to the gamer stereotype of social misfits that live in their parent's basement, hiding away from others. Some people think associating with certain types of people will cause them to be viewed as one of those type of people. I actually find that guys have a bigger problem with me gaming than other girls. Mainly it's those "get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich" type guys.
There isn't any real good reason why we should be ashamed or hide the fact that we play games. I personally don't like the term girl gamer though; that implies you become a different type of gamer based on your gender. I like the games like Left 4 Dead the same amount that I like casual games like Super Scribblenauts. My gender doesn't define my gaming choices so my gamer status shouldn't be defined by my gender.
Girl gamer here! I have always been into games, since I first picked up an NES controller at age 8 and played Super Marios Bros. I spent most of my childhood in Canada, where all my friends, male and female equally, were avid gamers. In Canada, I never ever had anyone comment on the fact that I liked to play video games. Ever since I moved to the UK at 16 and the topic comes up that I'm a gamer, the reaction I usually get from people is along the lines of "You like games, but are a girl! This does not compute! You are strange!". The look on the member of staff the other day in Computer Exchange when I went up and asked "Do you have a wireless network adaptor for an XBox 360?" was classic. My male friends at work like it now though, we all play on Xbox live together, and discuss games and gaming.
In general, I find that there is a lot more prevalent gender sterotyping and inequality in the UK compared to Canada, but that is just my experience.. My mum is a culprit sometimes too, she knows that me and my sister are highly computer and technology literate, yet she will still direct any computer/technology-related question to any male in the room.
In general, I find that there is a lot more prevalent gender sterotyping and inequality in the UK compared to Canada, but that is just my experience.. My mum is a culprit sometimes too, she knows that me and my sister are highly computer and technology literate, yet she will still direct any computer/technology-related question to any male in the room.
I'm not clear on whether you mean this, or whether you're using this particular (and erroneous) social engineering concept as an example of a particular social paradigm?Eico said:
Please elucidate.