Timothy Plan Updates "Do Not Buy List" of Videogames for the Holiday Season

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WolfThomas

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estoria-etnia said:
Actually, the incident of homosexuality being classified as a 'sin' in Christianity is due to a translation error with the Bible. There was a Greek word that was used in the original that didn't have an English translation, so someone slapped in the 'homosexual' bit and viola!
Well it did share similar language roots of that for homosexuality, however the fact that the greeks didn't use the common word supports the argument that in this context it was specific homosexual (rather than all) relationships they didn't condone such as male prostitution (temple sponsered or other) or pederastic relationships.

It actually mentioned a few more times but the context and translation is often debatable. There's a heavily debated statement in Romans.

In the old testament there's mention of it being an "abomination" in Leviticus, except Leviticus also talks about not letting midgets become priests, stoning blasphemrs and beating slaves (it's okay as long as you don't scar or kill them). So it's credibility is lacking for the modern day.
 

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If sex is such a big deal to them, why dont they bother to anaylize HOW the sex in the games is even unlocked, or for that matter how much of the game time it actually takes up.

In most games that have 'sexual' themes its less than 1% of the actual game. And for games with depth like ME, or DA, the sex is entirely optional, just like reality.
 

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believer258 said:
Snotnarok said:
I've got a few do not buy games on my list

Army of Two
Army of Two (sequel)
Metroid Other M
Mario All Stars (overpriced transfer of the cartridge to a wii disc)
Dantes Inferno

Seriously possibly the worst games I've played ...with the exception of Mario right here.
Mario's on there? You're shitting me, right? Does it show Mario finally getting his cake from Peach in the super-secret ending you can only get if you collect everything without dying once? Or just watch it on Youtube?
Watch a review or two on All Stars for the wii and you might see why it's upsetting.

You know transferring the data from the 1993 cartridge and putting it on a Wii DVD with no work to it or extra games is a lot for 30-40 bucks. Not even the Mario World variant of All Stars.

Mario ain't perfect, he stumbles occasionally. Just like Metroid did with Other M.
 

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My point is that their opinion is incredibly biased and clearly fear-mongering (anti-family must be a bad thing, right? Can't have that!), and based on a world view that is out of touch with society.
This sentence caught my eye. You asserted you were a Christian, and yet you seem to be implying that your world-view should align with the present majority (or at least that having a world-view that differs from the current commonly-accepted one is a negative thing). At this point I'm left wondering what it means to be a Christian on a functional level; paying lip-service to the concept of Jesus being God's son while simultaneously agreeing with current social trends?
 

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Ephraim J. Witchwood said:
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We do not invest in any company that deals with the promotion of homosexuality. The Bible is very clear about sexual immorality and homosexuality just as it is about refraining from sex before marriage and adultery. Does this mean that, because we will not invest in companies, which support these things, we hate those who choose this lifestyle or are involved in these practices? Nothing can be further from the truth. When Jesus came to this earth, He came to those who needed Him. All of these sins existed when He was here and He dealt with all of them. He guided, but He loved at the same time.

There are those with different ideas and philosophies and have every right to exercise them. As God?s children, so do we. We have a right to believe in the Word of God. The Word of God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Although we are a company that stands on what we believe as individuals, what we think is not important. What God says is all-important. Those who read and study His Word, come to know His heart. God is not what we try to make Him to be. God is. We at the Timothy Plan earnestly seek on a daily basis God?s Word and His guidance not only to invest morally, but to respond to the hurts and needs of others, just as Jesus did. If we do not show love to those who have different opinions, different lifestyles, different views, then we at the Timothy Plan would be guilty of a greater sin, judging one another.
I suddenly love these people. Nice and sane, and they still get their word out. Goddamn.
My thoughts exactly. I disagree with some of their views, and they would undoubtedly disagree with many of mine, but when everybody plays nice the playground becomes a lot more fun for all.
 

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Sentox6 said:
Sporky111 said:
My point is that their opinion is incredibly biased and clearly fear-mongering (anti-family must be a bad thing, right? Can't have that!), and based on a world view that is out of touch with society.
This sentence caught my eye. You asserted you were a Christian, and yet you seem to be implying that your world-view should align with the present majority (or at least that having a world-view that differs from the current commonly-accepted one is a negative thing). At this point I'm left wondering what it means to be a Christian on a functional level; paying lip-service to the concept of Jesus being God's son while simultaneously agreeing with current social trends?
Hmm, excellent points . . .

Having an opinion that is different from society is not the same as saying that their opinion is antiquated. Most of what they're teaching is based on upon obsolete knowledge and an unwillingness to learn and progress. I don't think that faith should be an excuse to be out of touch with society, and it definitely isn't an excuse to elevate yourself above others and even tell outright lies. A person's faith should be a guiding influence, not a tool or a means to get your own way (as it far-too-often is).

Yes, I'm a Christian. I don't go to church for social reasons (I trust the gospel, not the people teaching it. I think religious leaders should be under the same monitoring that any other kind of teacher is put under). But I pray and read the Bible, I believe in Jesus and heaven and all that jazz. But I focus on the big points of the Gospel, rather than the details. Big points would be things like The Ten Commandments, the Golden Rule, mindfulness and repentance of sin, etc.

Is this anywhere close to what you were looking for?
 

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Sporky111 said:
Is this anywhere close to what you were looking for?
That explains your perspective better, yes. I appreciate the rational articulation.

For the record, I self-identify as a Christian. I concur that faith isn't an excuse or a reason to be out of touch with society, but I would also assert that it does not follow that one must (or should) always agree with societal trends, either.
 

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Sentox6 said:
Sporky111 said:
Is this anywhere close to what you were looking for?
That explains your perspective better, yes. I appreciate the rational articulation.

For the record, I self-identify as a Christian. I concur that faith isn't an excuse or a reason to be out of touch with society, but I would also assert that it does not follow that one must (or should) always agree with societal trends, either.
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that. I'm hardly one to force conformity with society. I just want to make it clear that I'm not against breaking away or disagreeing with society; what I don't like is how they are ignorant by choice and still attempting to 'educate' people, and to inform them with this bias that they have. It just bothers me that they can tell outright fabrications and get away with it (not to mention have many people believe them) just because they are upholding "good, Christian values".
 

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Just thought I would say this...

The vast majority of users of this site are very much against the proposed law in California restricting the sale of adult games to minors. They claim it harms freedom of speech and is a step towards the banning of video games altogether. As justification for this, we say that parents have to do their research and actually learn about the games they buy and make an informed decision, lest they see little Bobby playing Splatterhouse and wonder how in the hell he ever got his hands on such an abomination, and then cry for the banning of games.

Well, here is a site that helps Christian parents do exactly what we want them to do to avoid purchasing those types of games for their children, and what do so many people on this site do? They tear that down too. Like they also praise the rating system in one breath for helping parents make those decisions, then curse it the next for judging a game that they want too high in the ratings for many of them (if they are under 17) to buy at stores that voluntarily restrict sales. The point is that parents ARE supposed to "think of the children". That's their job. If parents just popped out children and didn't teach them a damn thing, I would fear for the world. It would probably look a lot like Lord of the Flies. So I wouldn't go around demanding that parents do their job, then ***** at them 5 minutes later when they actually do it. It just makes your arguments against censorship and restriction look selfish and petty. Which for many of you, I'm sorry to say, they probably are. And there are many groups out there, some with quite a bit of power over games and the gaming industry, that will probably see it that way too.

If we as gamers want to improve our image with mainstream society and also keep playing the mature games we enjoy, we can't be so antagonistic towards efforts like this, that inform concerned parents yet don't push too hard. This is the kind of thing we WANT as gamers. It's a win-win situation. Parents know what games to avoid buying their children, and nothing has to be restricted or banned to those gaming consumers who aren't concerned with that. As many have pointed out, it clearly seems that this website has done its homework as well, pointing out only real, legitimate things of concern to those parents who are likely to read the PDF. No scare tactics, no lies. So stop your whining because some website said kids shouldn't be able to hack someone's arms off with a chainsaw in a game. It doesn't harm your ability to play it yourself, and it helps inform those who do have a problem with that. That's a good thing, in my book.

And about the whole religion thing, if you're whining because it's a Christian website, get a life. The website clearly wasn't meant for you. Don't make this into a little "TEH KRISCHINZ R 3BIL!!!" crusade. This website has nothing to do with you in that regard. It's not attacking you, nor is it attacking the games industry. Leave it alone, and it will leave you alone. Let sleeping websites lie.
 

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BioShock 2 had sexual themes? I never noticed anything on the walls. Plus, whats with them having problems with homosexuals? Seriously, I fucking hate homophobia. You never see sex in Fallout: New Vegas or Mass Effect 2.

Seriously, this list is rediculous. Who are these idiots?
 

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Flamezdudes said:
BioShock 2 had sexual themes? I never noticed anything on the walls. Plus, whats with them having problems with homosexuals? Seriously, I fucking hate homophobia. You never see sex in Fallout: New Vegas or Mass Effect 2.

Seriously, this list is rediculous. Who are these idiots?
Uhh.....about that Mass Effect thing...
 

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they probaly havent heard of the RATING SYSTEM I only have one thing to say to them NO SHIT SHERLOCK! its written right on the cover its also weird they put Dante,s Inferno on their since its about a christian running around in hell ripping demon,s a new one (or atleast what I gathered from it)
 

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zombays said:
Flamezdudes said:
BioShock 2 had sexual themes? I never noticed anything on the walls. Plus, whats with them having problems with homosexuals? Seriously, I fucking hate homophobia. You never see sex in Fallout: New Vegas or Mass Effect 2.

Seriously, this list is rediculous. Who are these idiots?
Uhh.....about that Mass Effect thing...
Oh please!

Miranda: A little bit of side boob.

Tali: She jumps on you.

Jack: A little bit of kissing.

Jacob: Chest! (The PRIIIIZZZEEE)

Garrus: Head bang.

Thane: A little kiss.

Hardly sex.