Timothy Plan Updates "Do Not Buy List" of Videogames for the Holiday Season
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Let's ignore that 'god' psychologically tortured the father, making him believe that he would have to kill his son and only stopped him at the last moment.lacktheknack said:
Fine, a more blunt example. Certainly. Global flood that obviously would include infants/children. That ok? Or perhaps him murdering every first born child of Egypt? Take your pick. *shrugs*
Sorry, I didn't get the same conclusion when I saw they still hold strong to the bullshit claim that being gay is a choice. And the silly bull of 'judging is wrong' but they judge the video games/game makers. Or the claim that if you read the Bible you WILL know 'god'. Doesn't work like that. Obviously.Burst6 said:
Except they're not really judging the video games. Other than the BS claim that you mentioned, they're really well-reasoned with what they gave. They're right, too; I wouldn't get any of those games for my kids if I had them, at least not if they weren't around 15-16. Other parents are going to differ from me, and most parents are going to certainly be a lot more ignorant on the subject of video games than anyone on this site. Have you ever seen an ignorant parent try to shop for videogames? It's rather awkward. They have no idea what the hell they're doing. And there's a lot of them. This PDF was not meant to judge; it was meant to inform.Cliff_m85 said:
Sure we see filthy black skin as a sin as well as a choice that the person made in the womb, but it's not our duty to judge. Jesus came to die for them as well, and he spoke of love.AngelOfBlueRoses said:
I like to change any theist claim of homosexuality and revert it back to their older claims against the black community and interracial marriage. It lets me see that things don't change that much.
Really they judge (gay is wrong) then they say judging is wrong (hypocrit) then they take the "love" angle. Nothing new. But this is getting off topic.
I did read the source, and I realize they were not calling for bans of anything, not even censorship, but still. Considering they're saying a game could be dangerous to children because it has gay people in it (I'm offended by that claim), I was considering the idea that they'd be more concerned with the fact that it has intact dicks ("most conservative white people in America mutilate their sons" to the power of "you're not supposed to see that other people have what you have in your pants Billy") in it more than the torture, morbid story, violence ... you know, the works.lacktheknack said:
Still, what does that mean? How are video games going to harm the "family structure"? What is family structure? Explain it to me, so that I may see this as a legitimate claim and not merely word-play to grab attention. My point is that their opinion is incredibly biased and clearly fear-mongering (anti-family must be a bad thing, right? Can't have that!), and based on a world view that is out of touch with society.lacktheknack said:
And I got my point from looking at their website. There doesn't seem to be any literature about TV shows or movies or anything that are "anti-family". Their main navigation menu on the site is laid out like this:
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Websites
Hall of Shame
Consultants
[b]Video Games[/b]
Biblical Stewardship
Moral Investing
A Call To ActionThe culture war has a new battlefront.
While cultural conservatives focused their efforts on schools, churches, state houses, and Main Streets[;] environmentalists, animal rights activists, homosexuals and feminists wielded their power as corporate shareholders to change corporate policy.
Meanwhile, unwitting pro-family conservatives invested billions of dollars in companies that promote abortion, pornography, gambling, and other social pathologies. Recently, cultural conservatives have begun to join the fight on Wall Street, the new battlefront of the culture war.
While cultural conservatives focused their efforts on schools, churches, state houses, and Main Streets[;] environmentalists, animal rights activists, homosexuals and feminists wielded their power as corporate shareholders to change corporate policy.
Meanwhile, unwitting pro-family conservatives invested billions of dollars in companies that promote abortion, pornography, gambling, and other social pathologies. Recently, cultural conservatives have begun to join the fight on Wall Street, the new battlefront of the culture war.
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You're very mistaken. This is not the people of the forums writing articles, it is the staff of the site. Saying the Escapist is anti-theist based on the forums is like saying that musicians are criminals because some of their fans are criminals. Read: don't judge anything by it's fanbase.lacktheknack said:
They're not judging the damn video game makers. They see stuff that doesn't fit Biblical code, and say that. That's not judging, that's observing. They've stated they don't support product banning, so I fail to see the issue.Cliff_m85 said:
Um, this site IS the fanbase. Without the fanbase, this site wouldn't actually be anything. Empty forums, no advertisements, a couple videos hosted somewhere, left to rot.Sporky111 said:
Sorry, but when it comes to websites, the site IS its viewers.
Ah, so you're ignoring all the other points I put forth in favor of picking at the one part that is debatable. I feel like I've accomplished something today.lacktheknack said:
But you're wrong. You wouldn't call a newspaper anti-theist because it was read by anti-theists, and you wouldn't do it for a news station. You would judge it on it's content.
On a related note, I'm a big fan of the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification, though they also do some videogames) website, from which you can search any movie title and get a detailed, concise but entirely objective appraisal of the reasons it earned its particular age certificate, possible areas of concern etc. Here's what they had to say about Nier:
"NIER is an action adventure role-playing game (RPG) for the Microsoft Xbox 360 and Sony PlayStation 3 platforms. Played from the third person perspective, the game includes 'hack and slash' and problem solving elements. The game begins in 2049 in a post-apocalyptic city and the player assumes the identity of Nier, the father of a young daughter who is sick with the Black Scrawl virus. Nier, who must find a cure for the viral infection, is transported 1300 years into the future into a distinctly medieval-looking environment. He teams up with a magical talking book, a scantily clad foul-mouthed young woman and a strange skeleton-like creature. The game was passed 15 for strong language and bloody violence.
BBFC Guidelines at 15 state that 'there may be frequent use of strong language (for example 'fuck')'. The game includes several uses of that particular term, in all cases uttered by Kain, a young female character.
The Guidelines at '15' also state that 'violence may be strong but should not dwell on the infliction of pain or injury. The strongest gory images are unlikely to be acceptable. Strong sadistic or sexualised violence is also unlikely to be acceptable'. During the course of the game the player will kill or destroy hundreds of 'shades' (shadowy monsters), boss monsters, wolves and robots. Killing 'shades' or monsters with an iron bar or a sword, etc produces copious blood spurts but no injury detail. Blood and corpses disappear from the screen after a few seconds and it does not appear possible to inflict any form of post-mortem injury or damage. Moreover, it is not possible to injure or kill innocent bystanders, nor indeed any human characters. In addition to using conventional weapons, Nier can zap opponents using the magical powers offered by the talking book. Some of the cut scenes include blood but there is no particular dwelling on the infliction of pain or injury and at no stage in the game are there any very strong gory images that challenge a '15'. In one cut scene Kain is impaled on a giant metal spike. A large spurt of blood shoots from her back and she is then seen to be lying in a large pool of blood. There is, however, no injury detail and she appears to make a full recovery. In another cut scene there is a spurt of blood as Nier pulls a blade from his shoulder. Again there is no injury detail. There is no sadistic or sexualised violence in the game and, overall, the violence falls comfortably within '15' classification category parameters.
Although Kain is dressed throughout in skimpy knickers and a short negligee, the game includes no nudity or sexual activity."
See that? Just the facts and possible areas for parental concern, no judgement.
"NIER is an action adventure role-playing game (RPG) for the Microsoft Xbox 360 and Sony PlayStation 3 platforms. Played from the third person perspective, the game includes 'hack and slash' and problem solving elements. The game begins in 2049 in a post-apocalyptic city and the player assumes the identity of Nier, the father of a young daughter who is sick with the Black Scrawl virus. Nier, who must find a cure for the viral infection, is transported 1300 years into the future into a distinctly medieval-looking environment. He teams up with a magical talking book, a scantily clad foul-mouthed young woman and a strange skeleton-like creature. The game was passed 15 for strong language and bloody violence.
BBFC Guidelines at 15 state that 'there may be frequent use of strong language (for example 'fuck')'. The game includes several uses of that particular term, in all cases uttered by Kain, a young female character.
The Guidelines at '15' also state that 'violence may be strong but should not dwell on the infliction of pain or injury. The strongest gory images are unlikely to be acceptable. Strong sadistic or sexualised violence is also unlikely to be acceptable'. During the course of the game the player will kill or destroy hundreds of 'shades' (shadowy monsters), boss monsters, wolves and robots. Killing 'shades' or monsters with an iron bar or a sword, etc produces copious blood spurts but no injury detail. Blood and corpses disappear from the screen after a few seconds and it does not appear possible to inflict any form of post-mortem injury or damage. Moreover, it is not possible to injure or kill innocent bystanders, nor indeed any human characters. In addition to using conventional weapons, Nier can zap opponents using the magical powers offered by the talking book. Some of the cut scenes include blood but there is no particular dwelling on the infliction of pain or injury and at no stage in the game are there any very strong gory images that challenge a '15'. In one cut scene Kain is impaled on a giant metal spike. A large spurt of blood shoots from her back and she is then seen to be lying in a large pool of blood. There is, however, no injury detail and she appears to make a full recovery. In another cut scene there is a spurt of blood as Nier pulls a blade from his shoulder. Again there is no injury detail. There is no sadistic or sexualised violence in the game and, overall, the violence falls comfortably within '15' classification category parameters.
Although Kain is dressed throughout in skimpy knickers and a short negligee, the game includes no nudity or sexual activity."
See that? Just the facts and possible areas for parental concern, no judgement.
The forums ARE the content.Sporky111 said:
And you're right, I'm getting sick of the entire argument. I'm done.
Except:
I beg your pardon? Opinion = judgment?Cliff_m85 said:
Because that's what you've said. If you're willing to follow through on that, then there's clearly several meanings of the word "judgment".
One thing you'll notice: almost everything on that list is rated M. Kids couldn't buy it even if they wanted to, and no parent that actually listens to pricks like this guy are stupid enough to buy them for them.
At first I laughed, then I nodded and though "hmm good idea for non-gamer parents".
Then I went to the website and saw their rating system and I laughed again.
I don't mean to be rude, but this is almost misinformation. Due to the way the categories have been chosen, games which should definitely be kept out of young hands, are prioritised lower than games which are pretty much fine (probably still not good etc).
Let me explain. Here are the categories that they have. All categories are given equal weight - that is to say, they are all as important as each other.
Then there are the "wuh?" categories. Cartoon violence, comic mischief, and demonic. As far as I know, taking a line of cocaine is worse than putting a whoopee-cushion under somebodies seat...
And "Demonic"... well I'm not sure what this even means really... you could give random points to any game with monsters if you so choose.
So really tbh... this seems of very limited use, and in my opinion will only further confusion instead of helping parents.
Also I just noticed that in Mass Effect 2, the Illusive man is the only person who smokes. =P
Then I went to the website and saw their rating system and I laughed again.
I don't mean to be rude, but this is almost misinformation. Due to the way the categories have been chosen, games which should definitely be kept out of young hands, are prioritised lower than games which are pretty much fine (probably still not good etc).
Let me explain. Here are the categories that they have. All categories are given equal weight - that is to say, they are all as important as each other.
First thing to note here is that the first three are all fall under the category of "sexual content" - but due to this design, intimacy in games is given triple negative weight. (Im not even going to touch on the discrimination by adding the "gay/lesbian" category, but w/e it's not like this is a publicly created document.) Also of course substance abuse is split into two, and violence into two, maybe three, or four... its not clear.
Then there are the "wuh?" categories. Cartoon violence, comic mischief, and demonic. As far as I know, taking a line of cocaine is worse than putting a whoopee-cushion under somebodies seat...
And "Demonic"... well I'm not sure what this even means really... you could give random points to any game with monsters if you so choose.
So really tbh... this seems of very limited use, and in my opinion will only further confusion instead of helping parents.
Also I just noticed that in Mass Effect 2, the Illusive man is the only person who smokes. =P
This list is bogus. Saints Row 2 contains Tobacco and Drug references, and even Demonic references, but he didn't list'em at all! The Sons of Samedi was all about drugs and blunts and stoners, how the hell could he have missed that?! And no Comic Mischief?! The entire game is comedic! What about gambling?! There's a virtual casino in Saints Row 2! But to top it off, he didn't even list Saints Row 2 as a PC game! THERE IS A PC PORT YA' KNOW!
In short, I am totally discrediting this guy, and refuse to believe anything he has to say. It is quite clear in objectively viewing...
...blah blah blah, I'm going to sleep. This stuff is dumb.
In short, I am totally discrediting this guy, and refuse to believe anything he has to say. It is quite clear in objectively viewing...
...blah blah blah, I'm going to sleep. This stuff is dumb.
Hail Satan!This_ends_now said:
...Also, Dragon Age?
...Well, I guess it did have lots of blood and mature themes and a fairly unfavorable portrayal of monotheistic religion, so on second thought I can why they added it. Bleh. Close-minded "protect the children" types irritate me.
You're quite welcome. I just wish people would read the source material before jumping to conclusions about what it means or says. Think I'm going to give up on that, though, for much the same reason I gave up on the Religion and Politics forum.lacktheknack said: