Timothy Plan Updates "Do Not Buy List" of Videogames for the Holiday Season

[Evilsanta]

Why is it that fighting against demons is a bad thing?

Like in Dante's Inferno and DMC4 you fight AGAINST demons not with them...

So why is it treated like it is a bad thing?

 

[Josdeb]

It is our belief that homosexuality is wrong, but we do not hate homosexuals or are intolerant of them.

I don't want to add too much to the already raging arguement going on, I just wanna add my two cents.
Okay, first off, I'm gay. Also, I'm fine with you being Christian. Now, my point.

See what you said above? You think what we do (with "we" being applied to gay people in this case) is wrong.
And you wonder why people have issue with you saying this?
Yes, it is all well and good to add that you aren't intolerant of homosexuality, but if you think it is wrong, then yes, you are.
Not straight up to their face. It's not like you walk up to random people on the street saying "Hi, I think gays are wrong!", you're just being more internal about it.

I don't think you realise actually how offensive it is to say that, even unintentionally.
I don't know anything about you, but I assume you either have or want a family - wife/husband, kids, grandkids.
Your mindset denys that to us, as a social collective.
You think it wrong for me to have a boyfriend.
You think it wrong that I have a husband.
You think it wrong for me to raise a child.
You think it wrong for me to love.
And that is offensive.

Now, onto the article:

FF XIII "Gay/Lesbian: 2" holy shit this list is so funny xD

That made me crack up too. I was like, "Hmmm, I must've blacked out for a good portion of the game"
I don't mind the fact that they're trying to help parents make better descisions, but I can't help but think that the ESRB already does this - I mean, with the top 25 "worst" games having 24 restricted games, it just seems redundant.
Though, I guess it has good intentions?

 

[ShadowsofHope]

"If you kill in order to save your child".

Read the Bible, dude. Remember a little story about 'god' asking a man to kill his son to prove his faith? Yeah, he was down for that test. God's all about the murder. Especially murder of the young.

Problem with that... no child was murdered. God stopped the murder before it could happen. Wanna choose a less embarrassing example?

Let's ignore that 'god' psychologically tortured the father, making him believe that he would have to kill his son and only stopped him at the last moment.

Fine, a more blunt example. Certainly. Global flood that obviously would include infants/children. That ok? Or perhaps him murdering every first born child of Egypt? Take your pick. *shrugs*

Flood = It killed EVERYONE because they were being dicks.

Which is curiously remarking that God interfered with the free will of human beings to act a certain way in order to make things the way he prefers it instead, negating that free will in the process..

OT: I personally think they are ignorant idiots for some of the things they put as "reasons" for not buying the games, but.. *Shrug* Not going to adversely harm me in any way with my gaming, so let them do whatever the heck they want. When they start (IF) attempting to force everyone else to conform to the same restrictions, then I will kindly tell them to fuck off.

Until then..

Well technically humans were getting out of hand and that was the reason for the flood. However, there are over 2,000 known myths involving a great flood and that widespread myth became incorporated into the bible. Scientists theorize that the flood was much earlier than the period depicted in the bible using some myths of a great flood from the Aztec or Mayan myth.

Oh, I know that well enough. I just find the flood "justification" in the Bible convoluted and contradicting, personally, is all. But let's not get into that here. Just a side remark on my behalf.

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FF XIII "Gay/Lesbian: 2" holy shit this list is so funny xD

That made me crack up too. I was like, "Hmmm, I must've blacked out for a good portion of the game"

Indeed. Why is always these groups (and Fox News) that get the good, sexy versions of these games, now?! I feel held back. Really

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

So...underwear is bad now? At least characters are depicted wearing it instead of without...

Also, the section for Alpha Protocol makes me lol. Somebody obviously didn't play it very much.

Also New Vegas 'suggesting' you had sex with a robot is putting it a bit lightly if you ask me. =P

Well, I needed to make sure my work was quality somehow didn't I? Cass certainly didn't seem to want to take one for the team (ever!).

 

[BrunDeign]

I understand that not all parents have the desire or time to play through an entire game before letting their kids go to town, but I find the trite summations of these kinds of lists a little misleading. Gratuitous violence is one thing, but what if that violence is in service to your country, or if you must kill in order to save your child. Many games feature themes such as this but the narrative justification is never discussed in such a short list.

Source: Timothy Plan [http://www.timothyplan.com/Download/VideoGame-Graphic.pdf]



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You honestly think that if a parent sees a game and says "oh that man's murdering that other man because he's fighting to protect his country" or "that guy's maiming that other guy with a pitchfork to find a cure for his daughter's disease" then they're going to get it for their kids? It's just a list showing parents what they shouldn't be buying for their children. THEIR CHILDREN. And besides I totally understand why a Judeo-Christian group wouldn't want a game like "Alan Wake" to be bought. There is a LOT of supernatural and what could be considered occult things going on in that game. And if the guy in "Nier" is a hermaphrodite, THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT BETTER.

And is EvilSanta high? In Dante's Inferno there is way too much nudity (no nudity would have been quite preferable) and it's, in a sense, a glaring slap in the face to Dante, the author of the actual book. And in DMC YOU PLAY THE SON OF A DEMON. Or is he DMC's "devil"? Don't get me wrong I really like DMC it's just that they have legitimate reasons, being of the faith they are, to want to have it ignored.

 

[Jamash]

So, if I was a busy yet responsible parent and was buying games based on the Timothy Plan's overall scores, I would buy my children Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising (3) before buying them Lips: Party Classics (4) and if they were to ask for Dragonball Z: Attack of the Saiyans (5) I'd say "No, but you can have Playboy: StripQuest (3), Playmate Bustout, (3) or Sexy Poker (4) instead".

It's handy to know that Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop (5) isn't as corrupting as The Sims 3 (6), and that Left4Dead 2 (5) is as suitable as Green Day: Rock Band (5)... it looks like little Timmy and Jenny will have give up on their hopes of some simulated homemaking and rocking this Christmas, but instead engage in some wholesome ultra-violence and dismemberment... Left4Dead 2 may be horrific and violent, but at least you don't see one male zombie kiss another male zombie, and there's zero chance that a Witch and a Spitter would develop feelings for each other and try to adopt a child.

Sometimes it's a good thing a lot of parents don't pay any attention to numbers and scores.

 

[Cliff_m85]

"If you kill in order to save your child".

Read the Bible, dude. Remember a little story about 'god' asking a man to kill his son to prove his faith? Yeah, he was down for that test. God's all about the murder. Especially murder of the young.

Problem with that... no child was murdered. God stopped the murder before it could happen. Wanna choose a less embarrassing example?

Let's ignore that 'god' psychologically tortured the father, making him believe that he would have to kill his son and only stopped him at the last moment.

Fine, a more blunt example. Certainly. Global flood that obviously would include infants/children. That ok? Or perhaps him murdering every first born child of Egypt? Take your pick. *shrugs*

Flood = It killed EVERYONE because they were being dicks.

Which is curiously remarking that God interfered with the free will of human beings to act a certain way in order to make things the way he prefers it instead, negating that free will in the process..

OT: I personally think they are ignorant idiots for some of the things they put as "reasons" for not buying the games, but.. *Shrug* Not going to adversely harm me in any way with my gaming, so let them do whatever the heck they want. When they start (IF) attempting to force everyone else to conform to the same restrictions, then I will kindly tell them to fuck off.

Until then..

Well technically humans were getting out of hand and that was the reason for the flood. However, there are over 2,000 known myths involving a great flood and that widespread myth became incorporated into the bible. Scientists theorize that the flood was much earlier than the period depicted in the bible using some myths of a great flood from the Aztec or Mayan myth.

Bzzzt! Wrong. Sorry dude, scientists have actively debunked the global flood stories.

And "getting out of hand" does not give you the right to DROWN INFANTS, no matter if your killing others along with them. And your explanation of the death of first born children takes away anything supernatural, making it just a natural occurance which removes any claim of 'miracle'.

Go up to a judge after murdering someone and say "Dude, he was seriously being a dick".
They'll release you, right?

 

[Andronicus]

What's that? Women look like women underneath their clothes?! Scandalous!

Won't somebody think of the children?

 

[Something Amyss]

Someone should tell them that the character in question is actually a dude, or at least a hermaphrodite.

intersexed. Hermaphrodite hasn't been the proper term for liek 30 years.

 

[rembrandtqeinstein]

Rofl did you look at the site? It is a big scam to dupe people into investing in lower performing funds because they are more "moral". Basically the same scam religion has been using for centuries, give up things now for the promise of better things in the future/after you die.

Also he failed to insert his table as a vector into his PDF.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

"If you kill in order to save your child".

Read the Bible, dude. Remember a little story about 'god' asking a man to kill his son to prove his faith? Yeah, he was down for that test. God's all about the murder. Especially murder of the young.

Problem with that... no child was murdered. God stopped the murder before it could happen. Wanna choose a less embarrassing example?

Let's ignore that 'god' psychologically tortured the father, making him believe that he would have to kill his son and only stopped him at the last moment.

Fine, a more blunt example. Certainly. Global flood that obviously would include infants/children. That ok? Or perhaps him murdering every first born child of Egypt? Take your pick. *shrugs*

Flood = It killed EVERYONE because they were being dicks.

Which is curiously remarking that God interfered with the free will of human beings to act a certain way in order to make things the way he prefers it instead, negating that free will in the process..

OT: I personally think they are ignorant idiots for some of the things they put as "reasons" for not buying the games, but.. *Shrug* Not going to adversely harm me in any way with my gaming, so let them do whatever the heck they want. When they start (IF) attempting to force everyone else to conform to the same restrictions, then I will kindly tell them to fuck off.

Until then..

Well technically humans were getting out of hand and that was the reason for the flood. However, there are over 2,000 known myths involving a great flood and that widespread myth became incorporated into the bible. Scientists theorize that the flood was much earlier than the period depicted in the bible using some myths of a great flood from the Aztec or Mayan myth.

Bzzzt! Wrong. Sorry dude, scientists have actively debunked the global flood stories.

Global flooding stories, yes. Obviously hyperbole to make the Biblical stories sound more "profound" than they actually were. Most scientific evidence to date accounts more or less for an isolated flood on a continental (correct this part if I mistake the realistic scale) scale, not global.

Boobies were created by satan. Truefact.

really then why does he always seem to get such a bad rap. I mean the person who created boobies cant be THAT bad right?

You would think so, wouldn't you? <.<

 

[Michael O'Hair]

Gratuitous violence is one thing, but what if that violence is in service to your country, or if you must kill in order to save your child.

Killing is still killing, no matter what kind of righteous cause you attach to it, including self-preservation. I think videogames aren't anywhere near simulating that experience, although it is the most prevalent experience in video games. Real dead bodies don't disappear into a cloud of nanomachines, or explode into clusters of gold coins and ammo, or melt into the landscape leaving only a red stain for 60 to 120 seconds, or flicker and disappear.

It's interesting to note that on the first page of the guide there's an image of a kid playing a video game, and the adult/parent in the same room looks like he's asleep. I would think that the adult would be awake to explain in context what's going on in the game, whether it be a cartoon dinosaur eating fruit in a cave filled with monsters or scoring a headshot on a humanoid monstrosity; to be involved in the child's life somehow.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Seriously this is just at another extremist troll like group. Can we please start ignoring groups like this and stop giving them the publicity they so badly want to spred their message. Also that jab at JRPGs in the Escapist article was very unnecessary and I always find such ridiculous side jabs like that ruin an otherwise good article. In fact these guys aren't even anti video game. They are just highlighting things that extremely Christian Family might nto want to expose their kids to. Did people even read the bit in red.

 

[Piflik]

I understand that not all parents have the desire or time to play through an entire game before letting their kids go to town, but I find the trite summations of these kinds of lists a little misleading. Gratuitous violence is one thing, but what if that violence is in service to your country, or if you must kill in order to save your child. Many games feature themes such as this but the narrative justification is never discussed in such a short list.

Wait...so if the violence in question is 'justified' (however you do that...) it is OK for children to watch it, no matter how graphical? Sorry, but I think we should teach our children that violence has always to be the last resort...no matter the situation...I am not one that shouts for a ban of violent videogames, I enjoy them, too, but I don't think they belong into the hands of children. I hate to say this, but I definitely think Schwarzenegger is doing the right thing...

Back to the topic...such lists are definitely useful...I'm not saying parents should rely entirely on such lists when they decide what games to get for their children, but most parents just don't have the necessary knowledge to make that choices entirely on their own, since they never played videogames themselves and don't know much about them...knowing what content to expect in these games can help them make a grounded decision...as long as they just not simply deny every game on that list without thinking about it...they should make the decision, what their children get to see, not some religious doomsayer, but the list helps them to educate themselves about which game features what content...at least if the list was correct...

 

[lijenstina]

Ah the good old moral crusade.
Fighting moral deviance with spreadsheets. Next time I hope, at least they make a pie chart because its common knowledge that no demon can stand the majestic holiness of pie charts sprinkling holy water over the evil infested monitors.

That's why We need a science of morality. So all the obnoxious people with messianic complexes can keep their unconditional love of domination over others only for themselves.
Why are We having this kind of rhetoric at all ? Should be governed by knowledge and facts and not by fear mongering ? Ask yourself what's the difference in forbidding something that is based on ideology/religion only and the ones based on scientific facts, knowledge and reason ?

You may agree with the first if You are a fan of the winning team , but what if the irrational thinking of yours looses the majority and is being replaced by an another one that is unpleasing, strange and repulsive in a different way? What then ?