To all the Europeans and Aussie's on this forum...

[Lift]

Uhgh, and we wonder why Europe hates us. I've always hated US gun control, because I don't see the point of owning a gun. The harder it is to get a gun the harder it is to commit a crime with a gun. You don't need study's or rate information to know that it make logical seance. Ive shot fire arms at a gun range and I don't get get it, are we as Americans relay so insecure that we need a way to take another lift to feel safe?

Take Japan for an example, the law their is "No-one shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords." Few exceptions are made and their is VERY little crime in Japan. In Osaka less than ten crimes per 100,000 people, and about 1 in 100,000 is murder.

I hate US gun control entirely.

 

[Puppeteer Putin]

Not really. Guns hold very little attraction here apart from as tools for those who need them, like farmers.

We find your obsession with them a little creepy, actually.

That. Only those who need guns should have them, it should not be a "right", it's a privilege. By that I mean strong gun protection laws requiring high levels of training, education, and testing - much like any other license.

 

[WolfThomas]

Do you wish you all had the legal authority to own a firearm? Or do you believe America has been completely irresponsible with it?

I like how Switzerland does it. You join the military and you get to keep your rifle in case you are called back in to duty.

I love the way you assume us Aussies don't have guns. We have guns, just a reasonable level of licensing. You can even get handguns if you have the appropriate reasons, i.e. Private eye or security guard. Ordinary people can have doubled barreled shotguns and bolt action rifle. Really why do you need anything more?

Half of me, thinks the amount of US guns is ridiculous. The other half thinks gun are cool and no ones gonna take my civil liberties away when I have a .50cal. I like to stick to the former, as the latter is a paranoid child.

I do love Switzerland's system though, but thats because I'm big on their sort of national service, everyone gets taught gun safety and responsibility, does some refreshing each year. What do you get? A really low firearm deaths and 17 soldiers for every square mile of nation compared to America which is less then 2 with all the national guard combined with the army (I understand the size/pop difference, but proportionally they win).

Edit: If I didn't get into my uni course I was gonna become a private. Serious.
And I'm gonna own a couple of rifles and shotguns, with a pile of ammo, just in case of the apocalypse (zombie or otherwise). I'm not crazy...

 

[Scolar Visari]

I just remembered something I have to point out to Mr. hypothetical fact. In the U.S your self defense trial will go worse if you aimed at a "non vital" spot compared to a "lethal" one. "Why is that?" you say. If you shoot in a "non lethal" place the defence can say you were attempting to prolong the attacker's suffering. The same goes for tasers and batons here in the U.S, but what do I care? I'll still shoot to kill if the time ever comes.

 

[Josdeb]

Not really. Guns hold very little attraction here apart from as tools for those who need them, like farmers.

We find your obsession with them a little creepy, actually.

I second this. I really don't see any reason why you'd need one unless you're a professional shooter or farmer or policeman or something.

 

[Figgis Fiddis]

I'm a black belt in mixed martial arts. Not that it could stop a mugger with a gun, but I'm not insecure enough to buy a gun for my own protection.

I believe that guns should be completely legal. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, blah blah blah, same speech every time. I'd never buy a gun, but I would feel bad for all of the shotgun-toting rednecks we have here in the US.

 

[WolfThomas]

You people do realize that many of the gun crimes committed here in the not so great US of A are committed by people who have been sold or obtained guns in an illegal manner, also the amount of gun crimes is vastly blown out of proportion.

NOTE: I am not affiliated with the NRA in any manner so I don't mean to spew things that sound a lot like their bullshit.

Its not gun related crime in the US you have to worry about, its people accidentally shooting other people they know. 11,000 is not a small number of gun deaths.

 

[[Gavo]]

Speaking as an American...

I like how the Swiss do it. Then again I'm not even legal to own a gun yet...but I like the idea

 

[Lost In The Void]

I see no problem with owning a gun if your educated about it, learn to use it and arn't a complete fucktard about it. I have a rifle and a shotgun for minor hunting and target practice and i plan to get a handgun licence once i turn 18. Just thought i'd add a canadian perspective

 

[sneakypenguin]

Uhgh, and we wonder why Europe hates us. I've always hated US gun control, because I don't see the point of owning a gun. The harder it is to get a gun the harder it is to commit a crime with a gun. You don't need study's or rate information to know that it make logical seance. Ive shot fire arms at a gun range and I don't get get it, are we as Americans relay so insecure that we need a way to take another lift to feel safe?

Take Japan for an example, the law their is "No-one shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords." Few exceptions are made and their is VERY little crime in Japan. In Osaka less than ten crimes per 100,000 people, and about 1 in 100,000 is murder.

I hate US gun control entirely.

That's more of a cultural thing though so not quite a fair comparison. If you filled Japan with americans I'm sure the crime would go up, its just the culture+ other reasons unknown to me.
One reason firearms are so valued in the US is that the nation was founded on them, and important in the development(settling the west and whatnot) So the notion of firearms for the people was an important issue, the founders where very afraid of government getting all powerful and wanted the people to have recourse. Whereas your typical european country has been established for quite some time and had no major need for civilian gun ownership.
There are many points in owning a gun besides protection. I like many others enjoy the sport of it, you play soccer or videogames I shoot clay pigeons, and targets some like to hunt, some do need it for protection, some just like to collect them.

Half of me, thinks the amount of US guns is ridiculous. The other half thinks gun are cool and no ones gonna take my civil liberties away when I have a .50cal. I like to stick to the former, as the latter is a paranoid child.

Agreed guns I believe can deter oppression(though I'm sure to be labeled as a whacko for that statement, some may trust their government but I don't. As Vladimir Lenin said: "One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

 

[Fronken]

I see absolutely no reason why firearms should be legal at all, so im glad they arent legal here in sweden, just look at the mess america has created with its non-existing gun laws, they have resulted in that just about every single home has a gun, and what does that mean?, more killings and waaay more accidents.

Yeah, a gun can be good for protection, but the thing is, if there are no guns, you dont need a gun for protection, for example, here in sweden, guns are relatively rare, seeing as they are illegal if they are not for the use of Hunting or if they are used by athoritarian figures (police etc..), meaning you dont have to protect yourself with a firearm, which then leads to much safer streets, the worst thing you'l meet here (there are exceptions ofc) is a knife, and that you can protect yourself against in other measures, pepper-spray for example, which is much safer in every single way possible, not only does it disarm the attacker and disorient him, but it also leads to round about 0 accidental deaths, seeing as if you for some reason happen to use it on yourself or someone else in your home it can be washed out, sure, it will hurt like hell, but it wont kill you (exceptions here as well, astma for example).

Its pretty much an evil circle, If guns are legal, that means killers and criminals will get them easily, and that leads to the fact that ordinary people need to buy them for protection, which then leads to easier access for the criminals etc..

 

[Cid Silverwing]

Only as self-defense against the trigger happy yankees and other FPS-tards.

 

[WolfThomas]

Agreed guns I believe can deter oppression(though I'm sure to be labeled as a whacko for that statement, some may trust their government but I don't. As Vladimir Lenin said: "One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

And that goddamn UN, they won't let me buy a military armoured car as a civilian. Did you know one of their goals is to disarm the civilian populace of the world? Jerks.

Can't work out if I'm serious or being ironic.

 

[geddydisciple]

Not really. Guns hold very little attraction here apart from as tools for those who need them, like farmers.

We find your obsession with them a little creepy, actually.

I second this. I really don't see any reason why you'd need one unless you're a professional shooter or farmer or policeman or something.

Most criminals who own firearms in the united states have obtained them illegally. Therefor the rest of us lawabiding citizens have them for self defense. your far less likely to get mugged if the criminial thinks you may have a gun. The same principal (did i spell that right?) applies to other crimes.
Also, our founding fathers wanted us to have guns so we could overthrow the government if neccesary.

 

[Sprogus]

Maybe if the yanks decided to mass migrate to Australia then I would maybe want a gun for protection from the yanks and their gun totting ways

thats it im tired of this these yanks and there gun toting ways HMMMMM lets look at this

1 most firearms used in crime(which you foreiners seem to think thats all we use them for)are bought ilegaley and you have the same problems(if not worse i seem to rember in the uk gun violence rose 32% one year)

2 children and guns either they are complete idiots and i would like to say almost every kid in the united states knows guns are dangerous and treat them with respect like not aiming them at other people(while auses and brits dont know how to use a gun and half the time shoot somebody)or they stole the gun and are stil idiots or really young(we dont just hand our kids guns they go to clases seminars before anything i had to go through 3 before i could join a bbgun team so we try our damnbest)

3 god damned ausies and bloddy brits think there so smart and better without guns but i might ad the last time i heard uk crime was higher than us

4 just rambling on about how were idiots because we have guns is stupid would you like to hear what a criminal said(this is real so dont you dare lie)the most terifying thing is when the owner is home and has a gun(he was in jail because someone with an oh so terrible gun caught him while he was robbing a house)

Ok, chill out. I know it's hard to convey over the net but it was a joke. Obviously if the Americans where to mass migrate to Australia they wouldn't be allowed to use guns so I would have nothing to worry about. Other then the already mentioned criminal use of guns which is everywhere in the world.