To all you homophobes: Why?

[Ignignoct]

I am a christian. First I should point out that homophobic means fear of homosexuals, not hatred. And I don't hate them, some of my close friends are gay. I am against gay marriage, I at least think gay couples should be denied the marriage ceremony. And I mentioned this in another thread: Men can't have children, serrogacy does NOT make it possible for them to.
Men and women go together. It's natural, it's intended, and it's instinctive.

"Exhibit C!"

 

[lacktheknack]

I'm religious, but I do NOT have a problem with it. If God condemns homosexuals... well, God condemns gossip to, do I shun and yell at my sister because she's a gossip queen? Everyone seems to forget the whole "God loves sinners anyway" ideal. I'm straight, so it doesn't actually matter to me.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Almost all of the time it's either religion or just rediculous insecurities.

 

[IrrelevantTangent]

What disgusts you so much about homosexuality, or gay marriage or even gay rights?

Femininity.

Men must be dominant. Submissive behavior is unsightly and unnatural.

That's all.

Bondage must freak you right the fuck out, ay?

*cracks whip*

Silence, slave. You'll get 10 lashes for talking out of turn, and double that if you start crying!

Harder, damnit, I've been bad. Sorry, absolutely had to post that. Couldn't resist.


ANYHOO, I'm not against gays/lesbians. Want to know why? Well, it's a two-part reason. Firstly, in society today in America, being against gays and lesbians means you are a homophobic asshole, and that it's okay to mock you. The end. That's how people who are against gays/lesbians are portrayed, and while I've never really agreed with people who are against homosexuality, the least we could do if we're going to have a rational discussion is stop slandering. Or something.

Secondly, while it may turn out to be a genetic hiccup that actually causes homosexuality, or whether it's just someone's choice, or alien rays blasted a percentage of the population last year when they were sleeping, it doesn't matter, and neither does the whole 'homosexuality is unnatural' argument. You say homosexuality is unnatural? How about fellatio? Masturbation? Viruses? Genetic defects? Alien cows? Why are you only complaining about this and not about all those other things society has deemed to be unnatural at some point? Either become a 'naturalist' or stop raining hell down on people just because they want to be different.

God, are we going to turn into a nation of people who keep trying to purge specific races or lifestyles off the face of the Earth or something?

Oh, wait.

Other than that, in a nutshell- homosexuality isn't really that unnatural, people who automatically call anti-gay/lesbian whatevers are hypocrites, and I am in favor of people practicing whatever kind of sexual practices they want. Peace out.

Sure, there's actual hard evidence that animals and people have been gay in the past without any "trauma" or "disease" afflicting them, but try telling that to Christian America.

Faith trumps truth every time. Faith replaces it.

Overall, I agree, but it's a matter of convincing the majority of a truth that conflicts with their 'truth'.

Faith is the only reason why those institutions are still around; it's the lifeblood keeping their 'veins' going. Science has made so many contributions over the last few years without having to worry about the Inquisition and what-have-you that some of the scientific knowledge they've gathered ("Hey guys! Apparently the Earth is millions of years old, and we proved it! Guess your theory's wrong, nyeah!") directly contradicts Church doctrine and there's not a thing they can do about it. They lose credibility, they lose worshippers, and they lose money. So it's back to faith, which has to keep the wheels of the Church going and fuel all of the die-hard Christian fanaticists that may be out there.

In a nation where there is a large religious sect that has lots of money, influence, and experience stamping out all obstacles in its way (no, not Scientology), it won't be easy for said obstacles to stand against this monolithic faction of homophobic-ness. Not that all Christians are homophobes or somesuch, I was just using an example.

 

[Doug]

Here's another little tidbit of research:
According to... something...
10% of people are completely heterosexual
10% of people are completely homosexual
The remaining 80% have varying levels of bisexuality.

You know, I still have to question that. Many I'm an oddity (aside from being Lefthanded, a sign of 'contracts with the devil' according to ole skool churchs), but I've never thought "Hey... that guy...he looks hot!" I have to wonder how they measured you "heterosexual score" anyways heh.

 

[ExaltedK9]

I am a christian. First I should point out that homophobic means fear of homosexuals, not hatred. And I don't hate them, some of my close friends are gay. I am against gay marriage, I at least think gay couples should be denied the marriage ceremony. And I mentioned this in another thread: Men can't have children, serrogacy does NOT make it possible for them to.
Men and women go together. It's natural, it's intended, and it's instinctive.

"Exhibit C!"

I'm sorry...how does my post fall under exhibit C?

 

[bkdlsf89990]

The only thing that I am informed enough to comment on is this: That the entire debate over marriage rights in the United States rests on the definition of marriage itself. This definition must be made without the inclusion of religious or personal bias in any way or form. It must be based on entirely practical and legal foundations.

Once it is clearly defined, we may go forward to work in where homosexuals and their relationships fit in, and to what legal and social rights they are entitled.

 

[lleihsad]

Some of them just have a violent, knee-jerk reaction to gay people. I guess they fear, deep down, that the gay is contagious.

Others just think that God will kill them for someone else's buggery.

 

[KayOss_92]

I'm not a homophobe, so I wouldn't know.

So you decided to post here why??

That wasn't the least bit constructive.... xD

 

[Ignignoct]

Faith is the only reason why those institutions are still around; it's the lifeblood keeping their 'veins' going. Science has made so many contributions over the last few years without having to worry about the Inquisition and what-have-you that some of the scientific knowledge they've gathered ("Hey guys! Apparently the Earth is millions of years old, and we proved it! Guess your theory's wrong, nyeah!") directly contradicts Church doctrine and there's not a thing they can do about it. They lose credibility, they lose worshippers, and they lose money. So it's back to faith, which has to keep the wheels of the Church going and fuel all of the die-hard Christian fanaticists that may be out there.

In a nation where there is a large religious sect that has lots of money, influence, and experience stamping out all obstacles in its way (no, not Scientology), it won't be easy for said obstacles to stand against this monolithic faction of homophobic-ness. Not that all Christians are homophobes or somesuch, I was just using an example.

100% agree.

We should go burn something in effigy together.

I'll bring the lighter fluid and Zippos.

 

[Trivun]

Here's another little tidbit of research:
According to... something...
10% of people are completely heterosexual
10% of people are completely homosexual
The remaining 80% have varying levels of bisexuality.

The bible teaches to hate the sin, not the sinner. But unfortunately, most bible-thumping christians omit the 'sin, not the' part of the sentence.

Something I've never actually mentioned to people, but for a while I sort of went through a phase where I thought I was possibly bisexual, still with a preference for women, but bisexual nonetheless. As it happens it was only a phase, and I can say that I am 100% straight (aside from a couple of man-crushes that everyone has, like on David Tennant and such). As I said above though, is there really a problem? And why should there be anyway? It just baffles me that people should hate someone for being who they are. To me, homophobia is just as bad as racism, sexism or any other form of hatred (usually ending in -ism...).

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Here's another little tidbit of research:
According to... something...
10% of people are completely heterosexual
10% of people are completely homosexual
The remaining 80% have varying levels of bisexuality.

This isn't actually fact or anything, but I think there's a lot of truth in it. Sexuality is rarely so black and white, it's a very complicated thing, and labels just make it easier for us to understand and place it in our minds.

Personally I consider myself straight, but that doesn't mean i've never thought or wondered what it would be like to not be straight. That's all part of being human. I'm not attracted to guys, but I can't say with certainty that under the right circumstances I wouldn't 'experiment.' There's no loss for me, if I like it, great; if I don't, oh well. There's nothing discusting about it, it's healthy and normal to explore your sexuality.

All the phobias and hatred are born out of completely rediculous insecurities, or religion. From what I see though, it's mostly the former, and religious people tend to just live-and-let-live.

 

[space_oddity]

People dont dislike/fear/hate gays because of religion. The same part of Leviticus that forbids manlove also forbids ever touching a dead pig, harvesting your crops on consecutive sundays and coming in physical constact with a menstruating woman. Even Jews are a little tongue-in-cheek about Leviticus, and they love the whole Old Testament.

People dont like gays for the same reason people dont like people who support a different football team or someone from a different country or generally anyone who is different to them. Sexuality is such a huge part of like, the dislike generated towards gays is just an amplified version of any intolerance to people who are different, by choice or otherwise.

 

[IrrelevantTangent]

Faith is the only reason why those institutions are still around; it's the lifeblood keeping their 'veins' going. Science has made so many contributions over the last few years without having to worry about the Inquisition and what-have-you that some of the scientific knowledge they've gathered ("Hey guys! Apparently the Earth is millions of years old, and we proved it! Guess your theory's wrong, nyeah!") directly contradicts Church doctrine and there's not a thing they can do about it. They lose credibility, they lose worshippers, and they lose money. So it's back to faith, which has to keep the wheels of the Church going and fuel all of the die-hard Christian fanaticists that may be out there.

In a nation where there is a large religious sect that has lots of money, influence, and experience stamping out all obstacles in its way (no, not Scientology), it won't be easy for said obstacles to stand against this monolithic faction of homophobic-ness. Not that all Christians are homophobes or somesuch, I was just using an example.

100% agree.

We should go burn something in effigy together.

I'll bring the lighter fluid and Zippos.

I'll get the paper-mache pinatas of Jack Thompson and the barbed wire.

 

[Ignignoct]

I am a christian. First I should point out that homophobic means fear of homosexuals, not hatred. And I don't hate them, some of my close friends are gay. I am against gay marriage, I at least think gay couples should be denied the marriage ceremony. And I mentioned this in another thread: Men can't have children, serrogacy does NOT make it possible for them to.
Men and women go together. It's natural, it's intended, and it's instinctive.

"Exhibit C!"

I'm sorry...how does my post fall under exhibit C?

You're speaking genuinely from your heart, and it coincides with my reasoning towards the truth that many people believe that homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order, and they shouldn't be validated in their deviancy.

Not saying you're good or bad, but your opinion is that of many. That 'many' we speak of is the reason most states don't allow gay marriage.

You're an example of the current truth of the debate. A vital piece of the puzzle.

 

[open trap]

its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it

 

[IrrelevantTangent]

its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it

How do you know what our bodies are meant for? Are you God? If so, can I have my five hundred bucks back? You owe me after our last poker game, you sly bastard you.

 

[Ignignoct]

its because its not natural
our bodyes are ment for us to be with the oppositesex, not the same sex
thats why im against it

"EXHIBIT D!"

I'm on a roll, peeps.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Ugh, to all you posters who wonder why someone has a prejudice: When will you understand that some people just hate things for no apparent reason? Also, maybe they have justified opinions in their own worlds. I just don't get why so many people expect everyone to act in a way they themselves find rational. Your reasonings don't always work for everyone because they are personal beliefs.

Did anyone think to consider that maybe you're the crazy ones? I'm not saying homosexuality is something I condemn, but please try to look at things from both perspectives.

And to that guy in the beginning of this thread who said that most homophobes are Christians: nice spelling, clearly you are a highly educated individual to be passing judgement on others as such, and homophobes extend far past those religious boundaries. My guess would be that the Middle East is the most homophobic culture in the world, and that's not a predominantly Christian area.

So you just think we should accept that people hate a certain group of people for no reason apart from the fact that the group of people are different and had been from birth.

People can't rationally hate something for no reason because it goes against being rational, thats not just my opinion, its fact.
Besides, i'd prefer not to be able to spell than to be a bigoted asshole.

My argument was not that hatred for no reason was rational, but that people who consider themselves to be rational may not actually be rational. 500 years ago it was rational to think that the Earth was flat or that the Devil's Third actually summoned the Devil. Today, both of those assertions are considered crazy. 500 hundred years from now our own rationalizations may also be considered crazy. To consider yourself tolerant while not tolerating the intolerant is hypocritical.

Right, so you're not saying im irrational, you're saying i might be irrational. Yes it was rational to think that but how can you possibly justify hating someone for their sexuality, its just as valid as hating someone for being straight, maybe i am hypocritical but my point is that hating someone for something which they cannot change is a lot more of a problem than hating someone for being a bigot.